Schiit Happened: The Story of the World's Most Improbable Start-Up

Mar 31, 2018 at 9:13 PM Post #30,991 of 191,817
Sorry, a bit off topic. How do you like your Seek Thermal camera? At some point I wanted to buy FLIR but never did because of various reasons. By the way, Seek Thermal cameras are designed and manufactured in California, USA, just like Schiit products.

I like it. It is easy to use and so far has been fairly accurate. We actually got it mostly because of the cats. Much easier to find them when they find new hiding spots. I have used it for many things including checking for hot spots in things on vehicles, around the home, check the temp on fry oil. One of the most helpful was at work we were having issues with the camera systems in the busses and we found out they don't work if over 140°F. We picked a few buses and checked the temp in the bulkheads where the new systems were mounted and the average temp in there was around 180°F. Vehicle was just sitting out in the lot mid afternoon. Gave a great big picture instead of the laser measuring tool the shop uses. I also like it for being able to check things like this.
 
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Mar 31, 2018 at 10:05 PM Post #30,992 of 191,817
... the average temp in there was around 180°F...
What's that, 32°F below boiling point, which is 212°F (because the human body is 96°F - which it's not), 32°F is freezing point which is 0°C,
so 180°F is boiling point - freezing point which is 100°C - 0°C which is 100°C :triportsad:
(82.2°C, I have an app for that)
Some temperatures need to move into the 21st century :L3000:

Maybe we should all use °K, might stop people saying stupid things like "it's twice as hot outside" :nerd:

P.S. Regarding your SEEK, is it a stand-alone or a plug-in?
I was thinking of getting a plug-in but I don't think I have any compatible device except maybe my iPad Pro 12.9 which might be a bit unwieldy.
 
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Apr 1, 2018 at 1:44 AM Post #30,995 of 191,817
What's that, 32°F below boiling point, which is 212°F (because the human body is 96°F - which it's not), 32°F is freezing point which is 0°C,
so 180°F is boiling point - freezing point which is 100°C - 0°C which is 100°C :triportsad:
(82.2°C, I have an app for that)
Some temperatures need to move into the 21st century
I'm confused sir..I agreed 100 degrees C is the boiling point of water. And I agree that 212 degrees F is the same number. 180 is not a boiling point, well perhaps at a very high altitude, but normally 100C or 212F is considered the boiling point of water.
 
Apr 1, 2018 at 4:22 AM Post #30,996 of 191,817
I'm confused sir..I agreed 100 degrees C is the boiling point of water. And I agree that 212 degrees F is the same number. 180 is not a boiling point, well perhaps at a very high altitude, but normally 100C or 212F is considered the boiling point of water.
It appears that you inserted your reply in my quote, never mind, no offence taken.
I was merely being ridiculous about competing interval temperature scales, one of which does not relate to notable phenomena at its 0 and 100 values, versus ratio scales that go from zero onward, and moving meanings of values in one context into another context..
Merely childish time-wasting, didn't have the wit to prank anyone on 1/4, sorry, 4/1 for Americans I guess, or '2018-04-01' as I prefer it.

Slow news day :triportsad:

P.S. 180°F is not a boiling point, but 177.29°F is.

forgive me
 
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Apr 1, 2018 at 9:16 AM Post #30,999 of 191,817
Hmmm...this discussion about this guy Kelvin is really making my blood boil!!!

It has absolutely zero to do with the Schiit we're supposed to be talking about...

Could we please keep this thread OT??? :ksc75smile:

jk...or April Fools for us luddites

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Apr 1, 2018 at 11:05 AM Post #31,000 of 191,817
This seems like an excellent day to fall from grace.

I have something nice to chew on for you guys. Ableza already gave me a possible explanation but I wonder if there are other explanations.
Both Pietro and I added something to our sets. A little black box containing a high(very high)end filter. In my case I also changed some powercables, but to my knowledge Pietro didn`t change a thing other than adding the box.
And hear it comes...it changed my system a little bit too much for what it was supposed to do. More bass, better separation and even some more detail. Also it changed the tone a little bit but I`m not sure that is what I hear yet.
So this leaves me with 2 options for my new faith in gear:
a. Powercables do matter
b. Cleaner power is better
Both of which are ofcourse total BS going by the opinion of many around here.
Problem is...I do hear a difference in my set for sure and I am pretty sure I heard it in Pietro`s too but we didn`t A/B it when I was there.( So that doesn`t really count.)
So explain away, what am I hearing?
 
Apr 1, 2018 at 11:20 AM Post #31,001 of 191,817
Here in America I grew up with the understanding that freezing temperature was determined by the Kelvinator scale!
 
Apr 1, 2018 at 11:26 AM Post #31,002 of 191,817
This seems like an excellent day to fall from grace.

I have something nice to chew on for you guys. Ableza already gave me a possible explanation but I wonder if there are other explanations.
Both Pietro and I added something to our sets. A little black box containing a high(very high)end filter. In my case I also changed some powercables, but to my knowledge Pietro didn`t change a thing other than adding the box.
And hear it comes...it changed my system a little bit too much for what it was supposed to do. More bass, better separation and even some more detail. Also it changed the tone a little bit but I`m not sure that is what I hear yet.
So this leaves me with 2 options for my new faith in gear:
a. Powercables do matter
b. Cleaner power is better
Both of which are ofcourse total BS going by the opinion of many around here.
Problem is...I do hear a difference in my set for sure and I am pretty sure I heard it in Pietro`s too but we didn`t A/B it when I was there.( So that doesn`t really count.)
So explain away, what am I hearing?
B.
 
Apr 1, 2018 at 11:36 AM Post #31,003 of 191,817
This seems like an excellent day to fall from grace.

I have something nice to chew on for you guys. Ableza already gave me a possible explanation but I wonder if there are other explanations.
Both Pietro and I added something to our sets. A little black box containing a high(very high)end filter. In my case I also changed some powercables, but to my knowledge Pietro didn`t change a thing other than adding the box.
And hear it comes...it changed my system a little bit too much for what it was supposed to do. More bass, better separation and even some more detail. Also it changed the tone a little bit but I`m not sure that is what I hear yet.
So this leaves me with 2 options for my new faith in gear:
a. Powercables do matter
b. Cleaner power is better
Both of which are ofcourse total BS going by the opinion of many around here.
Problem is...I do hear a difference in my set for sure and I am pretty sure I heard it in Pietro`s too but we didn`t A/B it when I was there.( So that doesn`t really count.)
So explain away, what am I hearing?

Based on what you are describing (since I have not heard your system, nor do I know what you have, or the specific items you changed out), you are describing changes in sound which you are attributing to the changes you made in your system. This attribution is reasonable if no other system parameters were changed.

As for the "why?" of it all, here are some possible reasons for the change.

1- Paul McGowan of PS Audio recently advocated for doing a "spring cleaning" on one's system, and aside from dusting, vacuuming behind, etc., he advised disconnecting all the cables, both power and interconnects, and setting them back in place. Using contact cleaner is an additional step available. Paul indicated that a small build-up of oxides and other metallurgical mysteries (have mercy, I'm not a scientist) could negatively impact sound on both cable types. As a tong time MOTT, Paul is an advocate for high quality cabling and *gasp* fuses. He spends far more time with gear than we do, and builds some highly regarded pieces, so his opinion is worth noting. It is also worth noting that he attributes his appreciation of cables to a demonstration given him by our own @Baldr many years back.

2- Some devices that clean up AC power are valuable, especially if one's incoming power is "dirty." Jason has advocated for the use of isolation transformers, so he too recognizes the value of cleaner electricity, without inducing 'nervosa.'

3- The new power cords are impacting the sound of your gear, whether because it is isolating your power from spurious signals that can impart noise, or because they can pass more electricity (I know our beloved @Ableza will argue against this point), or because they can filter noise products from the AC line is not clear. And yet you are hearing something more significant than you thought you might.

We have also had a full moon this weekend, and today is April Fools Day, so there may be other cosmological or metaphysical explanations that I have overlooked. In any event, while the "cables and other witchcraft make no difference" crowd will dismiss this out of hand, there are others here who can appreciate that what you are hearing is legit.

The real question: Does it give you a more fun and engaging experience of music in your system? If so, you are blessed.
 
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Apr 1, 2018 at 11:45 AM Post #31,004 of 191,817
If it makes you happy do it....

:)
 
Apr 1, 2018 at 11:59 AM Post #31,005 of 191,817
@US Blues What I always say to anyone attributing sound quality improvements to power cords is "show me the data." I started working with this industry in 1973 and have never seen any data - including data gathered from subjective opinions of peer groups - that power cables all by themselves can change the output sound quality of an audio system. I have seen plenty of data and gathered plenty of measurements myself that prove a noisy AC power mains supply can impact signal quality, especially in low-level components like sources and preamps, and especially if the noise is present on the ground. So I will trust my scientific experience that filtering noise in the AC mains can impact sound quality. Using esoteric or large gauge power cables, with no other changes, does not. Until someone can show me data showing otherwise, that's my position. It should be the only logical position. And I (like any good scientist or engineer) am ready to change that position given good data. :)
 

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