Zer0.p0int.Zer0
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Just trying a beer from a local craft brewer here in Ballarat called Red Duck
Great Name, and very nice beer
Cheers to that!
Schiit Happened: The Story of the World's Most Improbable Start-Up
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Cheers to that!
rlow
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Previous Freya did this as well. Basically all inputs will create sound from all outputs, in all modes. But only certain modes convert SE to Balanced. Passive doesn’t - this is very clear in the manual. Although I don’t recall seeing the explanation of exactly whats done with the SE signal, you are getting a single ended signal out from the XLRs. Not a true differential balanced signal.
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US Blues
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or...Yunz if you're from Pittsburgh
One friend from P-burgh told me it's "Yinz." As in "yinz guyz!"
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I received my Saga the morning they put the new ones out. I am happy as a clam
Derrick Swart
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ye west"Thy" is the possesive form, maybe thou art thinking of "Ye"
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My "preamp" has crossover and room correction built-in (Lyngdorf DPA-1).
Signal goes in from network streamer over AES. Lyngdorf high passes/low passes; applies room correction. L/R signal goes out over coax to Gumby. Low frequency signal (subwoofer territory) goes out Aux outputs to sub amp.
Sounds glorious.
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Just because flogging a dead horse is so productive....
I think a better solution would be to have Jason wait to announce the new Saga’s until all the existing stocked Saga’s are sold at full price. The fact that the Thunderdome project would only have the two Freya’s is unimportant compared to ensuring that if I don't get a chance for a discounted Saga nobody can.
It’s not like other companies release new models with out providing a least a month notice so all the customers can stop buying the existing product until the new one is released nor discount the existing product after the release.
NOT!!!!
If you don't need that many channels, I highly recommend the XMC-1!
I got my Saga "Classic" and Vidar to drive me LS50's two days ago. I replaced my Denon 2100 with them. I now have all of my HDMI sources into my TV, which sends optical out to my Gumby, into my Saga. My Gumby also has a raspberry Pi 3B+ with Volumio going into the USB that pulls all my CDs ripped to FLAC off of my home server NAS. The other input on my Saga has my Mani and my U-Turn orbit on it. My Loki is between my Saga and Vidar.
Impressions so far (for those that were interested). The biggest first impression is how nice it is to be able to EQ anything in my system. I think the Loki makes the biggest difference of anything because it is actively shaping the sonic signature, and when it's on, you can't discount how big of a change that is.
My first impression when I got everything hooked up was disappointment. I was expecting to just be blown away with the differences of having a bigger power amp in my system, and I wasn't. The LS50s still sounded like LS50s. Then I cranked the Saga to 11 to try to see how much power was on tap, and it didn't blow be away either. It was louder than comfortable listening, but it didn't hurt my ears. So my first impression was disappointment.
Then I quickly told myself, I'm never going to listen to them that loud anyway, so why does it matter that the pot position for comfortable listening is 1:30-2 'o clock instead of 10 o' clock? Regardless, it hits the volume I need with more on tap, just not WAY more on tap. So it comfortably hits the volume I need and has room to spare, it just didn't meet my initial expectations. Ok, change my expectations and move on.
But the audio quality didn't change in a night and day way like I expected either. I was a little disappointed with this as well. Then I started streaming some music and making my kids dinner, and I started hearing a little bit more crispness. A little bit more detail in the treble. A little bit fuller bass. The thing that I finally noticed that I now think is the biggest change is the blackness, or space between notes so to speak. It feels like it's a lower noise floor. It's not that my Denon was noisy, but it feels like when there is a rest in the music, there's a longer falloff to quiet than there was before.
I continued to listen to streaming for a while and then switched on a record with similar results. I was becoming happier the longer I listened, and the subtleties slowly started to add up to a noticeable change. It's not a night and day difference like changing out speakers or cans. But I guess it really shouldn't be. It is a pleasant and subtle change for the better. That could be the end of my initial impressions review, but I do have three more notable tid-bits.
1. My wife's control tracks whenever I change out my audio components is a deep cut off of Adele's 21 (not sure the exact song) followed by Taylor Swift's I Did Something Bad. She stood in the middle of the room in the sweet spot with her eyes closed and absorbed Adele. She was moved by the music and said it hasn't ever sounded that good. She was also against buying new amplification, but is now a big fan of the upgrade. So she doesn't want to hear a real difference and noticed fuller bass and more detailed treble. When Dan Auerbach's Waiting on a Song record was streaming, she told me something was wrong with a speaker and to come listen. What was "wrong" was a fuzzed bass coming into the track that she has never heard before even though we have both listened to that record dozens of times.
2. While watching her stand in the middle of the room, I was sitting at the back of the room on a couch and noticed how much my living room now felt like I was in a hi-fi shop sampling some new speakers. It was the "black" between notes that I really think makes the difference. It really sounds like a very high end system with that space between notes. I have read other reviewers talk about "space between notes" but never really understood the analogy until I got the Saga/Vidar combo.
3. When I eventually switched over to TV, everything sounded so much crisper. This is the first time I've had my Gumby in the stream with my video components, and it was neat to hear how much crisper everything sounds. The newscasters voice just sounds better, it's really evident. Now this is going from an AVR to a Gumby, Saga, Loki, Vidar, so the ENTIRE signal path changed, and it's apparent. Baseball crowds in the stands sound way more detailed, the music on Jeopardy sounds better, watching Deadwood on HBOGo, I don't have to crank up the volume nearly as loud to hear the dialogue. Once again, I changed a bunch of components here, so I couldn't tell you what made the biggest impact, but my guess would be the DAC. Do I need a high end multibit DAC to watch Deadwood? Absolutely not. Does it "spark joy" to hear extra detail in the crowd at an Astro's game? Not really. I really appreciate the extra detail in music, something that has the ability to get an emotional response. If I get an emotional response from baseball, it's because someone turned a double play, not because I hear the ball go into the mitt a little crisper. So I personally wouldn't recommend dumping a bunch of money into a DAC for TV, but if you already have it in your system for music, it does make an impact (I think) in TV that is kind of neat. Just my two cents.
4. Bonus bullet. The new remote with the Saga is awesome. It is just a cold, heavy, metal slab that feels so good, and so premium. Great design!
TLDR: Saga and Vidar improved my KEF LS50s with a string of subtleties.
Impressions so far (for those that were interested). The biggest first impression is how nice it is to be able to EQ anything in my system. I think the Loki makes the biggest difference of anything because it is actively shaping the sonic signature, and when it's on, you can't discount how big of a change that is.
My first impression when I got everything hooked up was disappointment. I was expecting to just be blown away with the differences of having a bigger power amp in my system, and I wasn't. The LS50s still sounded like LS50s. Then I cranked the Saga to 11 to try to see how much power was on tap, and it didn't blow be away either. It was louder than comfortable listening, but it didn't hurt my ears. So my first impression was disappointment.
Then I quickly told myself, I'm never going to listen to them that loud anyway, so why does it matter that the pot position for comfortable listening is 1:30-2 'o clock instead of 10 o' clock? Regardless, it hits the volume I need with more on tap, just not WAY more on tap. So it comfortably hits the volume I need and has room to spare, it just didn't meet my initial expectations. Ok, change my expectations and move on.
But the audio quality didn't change in a night and day way like I expected either. I was a little disappointed with this as well. Then I started streaming some music and making my kids dinner, and I started hearing a little bit more crispness. A little bit more detail in the treble. A little bit fuller bass. The thing that I finally noticed that I now think is the biggest change is the blackness, or space between notes so to speak. It feels like it's a lower noise floor. It's not that my Denon was noisy, but it feels like when there is a rest in the music, there's a longer falloff to quiet than there was before.
I continued to listen to streaming for a while and then switched on a record with similar results. I was becoming happier the longer I listened, and the subtleties slowly started to add up to a noticeable change. It's not a night and day difference like changing out speakers or cans. But I guess it really shouldn't be. It is a pleasant and subtle change for the better. That could be the end of my initial impressions review, but I do have three more notable tid-bits.
1. My wife's control tracks whenever I change out my audio components is a deep cut off of Adele's 21 (not sure the exact song) followed by Taylor Swift's I Did Something Bad. She stood in the middle of the room in the sweet spot with her eyes closed and absorbed Adele. She was moved by the music and said it hasn't ever sounded that good. She was also against buying new amplification, but is now a big fan of the upgrade. So she doesn't want to hear a real difference and noticed fuller bass and more detailed treble. When Dan Auerbach's Waiting on a Song record was streaming, she told me something was wrong with a speaker and to come listen. What was "wrong" was a fuzzed bass coming into the track that she has never heard before even though we have both listened to that record dozens of times.
2. While watching her stand in the middle of the room, I was sitting at the back of the room on a couch and noticed how much my living room now felt like I was in a hi-fi shop sampling some new speakers. It was the "black" between notes that I really think makes the difference. It really sounds like a very high end system with that space between notes. I have read other reviewers talk about "space between notes" but never really understood the analogy until I got the Saga/Vidar combo.
3. When I eventually switched over to TV, everything sounded so much crisper. This is the first time I've had my Gumby in the stream with my video components, and it was neat to hear how much crisper everything sounds. The newscasters voice just sounds better, it's really evident. Now this is going from an AVR to a Gumby, Saga, Loki, Vidar, so the ENTIRE signal path changed, and it's apparent. Baseball crowds in the stands sound way more detailed, the music on Jeopardy sounds better, watching Deadwood on HBOGo, I don't have to crank up the volume nearly as loud to hear the dialogue. Once again, I changed a bunch of components here, so I couldn't tell you what made the biggest impact, but my guess would be the DAC. Do I need a high end multibit DAC to watch Deadwood? Absolutely not. Does it "spark joy" to hear extra detail in the crowd at an Astro's game? Not really. I really appreciate the extra detail in music, something that has the ability to get an emotional response. If I get an emotional response from baseball, it's because someone turned a double play, not because I hear the ball go into the mitt a little crisper. So I personally wouldn't recommend dumping a bunch of money into a DAC for TV, but if you already have it in your system for music, it does make an impact (I think) in TV that is kind of neat. Just my two cents.
4. Bonus bullet. The new remote with the Saga is awesome. It is just a cold, heavy, metal slab that feels so good, and so premium. Great design!
TLDR: Saga and Vidar improved my KEF LS50s with a string of subtleties.
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Jason Stoddard
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That's what I use in the home theater.
I've had mine for a little over 3 years now and I use it for pretty much everything, although I use the DAC from the Oppo 205...
porchwizard
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Formal: you, informal: yous
porchwizard
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Modern english lacks a plural you but people would like a plural you and have, to fill the void, created several versions / variations to fill that void. I grew up without a plural you but now I have one and I'm not giving it up. Although I admit I switch between y'all and yous(e) as the mood strikes me.
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