Sansa Fuze Appreciation Thread

[lee730]

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Exactly, for me the fuze comes the closest as an all round package.
 
My only gripe with it being the line out isn't true, bar that it's enough for my needs.
 
Just give me the pure music, with no eq or colouration, if i need to change the sound i'll swap opamps or just change the phones.

I know this isn't a C3 and Rocoo P thread lol. But you never did answer my question on which unit you prefer for general listening? If you had to chose between one? Which would you prefer to keep? The Rocoo P or C3? Just curious to hear your opinion on it since you seem to be the only owner of both units. Someone compared the C3 & C4 to their Roco BA and Studio V and didn't find it to be a contest (they preferred the BA and Studio by quite a margin).

 

[H20Fidelity]

I was doing some further listening this afternoon and everything was going well. I enjoy the UI, look, feel, size, it really is perfect in all these area's even 20 hours battery is on par. It sounds nice, flat, musical, airy stage, which I found nice, just how music should sound, easy on the ears with good amounts of clairty. However, as temptation got the better of me I slowly reached for my Hifiman HM-601 and what happened changed my mind rather quickly.

This is what happened......If you could imagine a window only open a crack allowing just a little air through that is how much detail the fuze has, it's quite enjoyable and breezes through nicely stroking your hair however, once switching to HM-601 it was like someone completely opened the window (well atleast 3/4) all areas in the mid range gained much deeper vivid detail and micro detailing was increased.

And ever since those brief few moments with 601 my bond with Sansa fuze has been broken. :mad: It still sounds great, very good for the money. Excellent as a portable and still better than anything at it's original selling price had a right to be.

 

[lee730]

Yep and thus my comments about going backwards . I can't do it anymore. I'm too damn spoiled to repeat history. That is why I sold off most of my lesser gear to just focus my time on the good things in life .
 

 

[Huxley]

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I know this isn't a C3 and Rocoo P thread lol. But you never did answer my question on which unit you prefer for general listening? If you had to chose between one? Which would you prefer to keep? The Rocoo P or C3? Just curious to hear your opinion on it since you seem to be the only owner of both units. Someone compared the C3 & C4 to their Roco BA and Studio V and didn't find it to be a contest (they preferred the BA and Studio by quite a margin).

Easy the rocoo, the colorfly is a bit coloured, not to mention it seems at odds with what to pair with.
 
Take my EPH100's and my Pro 900's, both share similar signatures, yet hates the former but loves the latter.
 
Don't get me wrong, the C3 is still a great player, it's just an acquired taste.
 
I am tempted to grab the AK100 and be done with it, trouble is there's no review links in the thread.

 

[lee730]

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Easy the rocoo, the colorfly is a bit coloured, not to mention it seems at odds with what to pair with.
 
Take my EPH100's and my Pro 900's, both share similar signatures, yet hates the former but loves the latter.
 
Don't get me wrong, the C3 is still a great player, it's just an acquired taste.
 
I am tempted to grab the AK100 and be done with it, trouble is there's no review links in the thread.

If you go for othe AK100 get it modded man. Don't waste your time with a regular unit with 22 ohms output impedance. That's just asking for trouble with sensitive IEMs. Still I'm at odds to whether or not I am gonna keep my RWA AK100. Yesterday it sounded quite good. Today not so much lol. Not sure if this is just burn in still taking place (as I'm still burning it in). Or just the device only suites me when I'm in the mood? To be honest it's pissing me off as I spend quite a bite more on this unit than the Studio V 3rd ANV yet the Studio V still sounds better to me.....

 

[Huxley]

Also with regards to the sq of the fuze, yes from the hp out it's very meh, as you have learned the sound is a bit veiled.
 
It's why im running the AD797 in my P4, it's really opened up the sound, now i can position instruments with ease, and pick out some really fine details.
 
I have one of rons topkits on the way, so that should really improve things.
But it does seem a shame how i have to fiddle in such a fashion, just to make up for the fuze's shortcomings.
 

If you go for othe AK100 get it modded man. Don't waste your time with a regular unit with 22 ohms output impedance. That's just asking for trouble with sensitive IEMs. Still I'm at odds to whether or not I am gonna keep my RWA AK100. Yesterday it sounded quite good. Today not so much lol. Not sure if this is just burn in still taking place (as I'm still burning it in). Or just the device only suites me when I'm in the mood? To be honest its pissing me off as I spend quite a bite more on this unit than the Studio V 3rd ANV yet the Studio V still sounds better to me.....

 
 
 
Yeah the rocoo/studio units do seem to be a lot more consistent with their sound signatures, probably why so many like them.
 
I have to admit, im tempted to grab the studio, but i have a cowon D2 battery that'll fit with a bit of metal grinding and hopefully give me 2-3x battery life over stock.
 
But ultimately it's the line out im after.
Anyway for now i'll sit back and see what the X3 is like, im really looking forward to that unit.

 

[lee730]

I really love the simple UI. I never could get into rocobox. Just preferred it stock and used the LOD to my UHA4 and it sounded quite good. Even as a single unit I still enjoyed it. The ease of use and portability made it an ipod killer IMO. Plus add the leather case and you have no issues with the buttons getting pushed when in your pocket . I've always been a playlist kinda guy (I love to have 100% control lol) and in that the fuze was also quite convenient to set up.
 

 

[H20Fidelity]

Yep and thus my comments about going backwards . I can't do it anymore. I'm too damn spoiled to repeat history. That is why I sold off most of my lesser gear to just focus my time on the good things in life .

 

I only paid $25, was never intended as an upgrade purely an impulse buy, I still think it's good.

So shut your mouth Lee. :tongue_smile:

Easy the rocoo, the colorfly is a bit coloured, not to mention it seems at odds with what to pair with.

Take my EPH100's and my Pro 900's, both share similar signatures, yet hates the former but loves the latter.

Don't get me wrong, the C3 is still a great player, it's just an acquired taste.

I am tempted to grab the AK100 and be done with it, trouble is there's no review links in the thread.

That's very interesting Huxley, Lee will be pleased. :devil_face: I agree C3 can be fussy about pairings, my guess is the output impedance. And you're right the Colorfly does have an acquired flavour. When you say coloured in what way do you feel so?

 

[lee730]

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I only paid $25, was never intended as an upgrade purely an impulse buy, I still think it's good.

So shut your mouth Lee.

That's very interesting Huxley, Lee will be pleased.

I agree C3 can be fussy about pairings, my guess is the output impedance. And you're right the Colorfly does have an acquired flavour. When you say coloured in what way do you feel so?

I think he's saying in comparison to the Rocoo P which is even more neutral than the Colorfly lol. As I said H20 their players are extremely neutral/detailed players although the Rocoo P is the least neutral of them all. The Rocoo BA may be the most neutral of them all. The Studio not far behind but the Studio really isn't colored at all IMO. Just its more energetic and dynamic which is why I say less neutral (not as flat sounding). Definitely more extension in the treble, more airy sounding overall.

 

[Huxley]

Yeah i do mean when compared, i'll have a quick listen again just to refresh things.
 
They're both coloured, but the rocoo comes across cleaner, and the sound is effortless.
 
There's something about the sound of the C3 that im really not set on, it could very well be the impedance of the unit.
 
It just doesn't have good synergy with the music, it's like it somehow changes it, but not in an 'sq' sense if you get what i mean.

 

[H20Fidelity]

I shall compare when the BA arrives. I think I know what Huxely is saying about the colouration, C3 has like a lacing over the entire signature which .....it's hard to explain...resembles a copper tinge is the best way I can describe imo, maybe Huxely thinks differently. CK4 is similar in it's like drinking straight whiskey, very rich. Anyway, I will compare them both (BA / C3), If I'm pleased with BA Hisound can have my money for Studio V 3RD ANV.

I'll do some amping with the fuze later and see how it sounds guys.

Cheers!

 

[lee730]

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Yeah i do mean when compared, i'll have a quick listen again just to refresh things.
 
They're both coloured, but the rocoo comes across cleaner, and the sound is effortless.
 
There's something about the sound of the C3 that im really not set on, it could very well be the impedance of the unit.
 
It just doesn't have good synergy with the music, it's like it somehow changes it, but not in an 'sq' sense if you get what i mean.

I bet when you say effortless the imaging of the hisound players comes to mind. That is what first came to my mind when you said that word. Because I have not heard a player that has as powerful of imaging as hisound players. Its like acid lol but in a good way. Not even the DX100 images as well (at lower volumes especially). I feel that is hisounds best asset. It is able to satiate me even at lower volumes (you get all the detail) and doesn't reward you for blasting the music, more so punishes you if you do so lol. Whereas on most other players I won't be satisfied at lower volumes but know I am damaging my ears listening at those higher volumes. Or I end up turning it up to get satisfied and just end up fatigued instead lol.

 

[lee730]

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I shall compare when the BA arrives. I think I know what Huxely is saying about the colouration, C3 has like a lacing over the entire signature which .....it's hard to explain...resembles a copper tinge is the best way I can describe imo, maybe Huxely thinks differently. CK4 is similar in it's like drinking straight whiskey, very rich. Anyway, I will compare them both (BA / C3), If I'm pleased with BA Hisound can have my money for Studio V 3RD ANV.

I'll do some amping with the fuze later and see how it sounds guys.

Cheers!

You can also buy the BA off of me if you want ...

 

[Huxley]

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I shall compare when the BA arrives. I think I know what Huxely is saying about the colouration, C3 has like a lacing over the entire signature which .....it's hard to say...resembles a copper tinge is the best way I can explain, maybe Huxely thinks differently. CK4 is similar in it's like drinking straight whiskey, very rich. Anyway, I will compare them both (BA / C3), If I'm pleased with BA Hisound can have my money for Studio V 3RD ANV.

I'll do some amping with the fuze later and see how it sounds guys.

Cheers!

Well just done a quick listen. And yes there is a veil over the music, not in a laid back sense it's like you say there's an added warmth only it feels artificial to my ears.
 
The C3 does have a relaxing sound, but you do sacrifice imaging and some detail.
 
Funny you should mention the studio anv, if the X3 doesn't live up to the hype i think i'll be snagging me the studio instead.

 

[H20Fidelity]

You can also buy the BA off of me if you want ...

It would need to be a pretty good used price after the extend of your loaner tour. 1500 people as I understand were involved.

I fear I'll be deaf from old age before it arrives.