During the recent Heidelberg headphone fair, several people ordered Envy OG after a session with Immanis. It just had stock tubes.
Go figure
Go figure
The primavera is not a 300B amp though, it uses the 811 tube which is a big-boy DHT like the 845
I also don't think the og envy is worth more than maybe 4k and is still uncompetitive at that price. Just different tastes. I own a dac that everyone else hates and I love it. Don't feel the need to justify what you likeDuring the recent Heidelberg headphone fair, several people ordered Envy OG after a session with Immanis. It just had stock tubes.
Go figure
When people own an amp, they take offense when someone else doesn't like itThe mixed impressions (there is a reason I chose the words I did) are just from talking to people at and after the show. I've not seen a single impression between "What, why is that more than 4k" and "ima buy it". Opinions on the amp were asked for so I gave mine. That doesnt mean you can't like it nor that people are wrong for buying it. It just means, when asked, I will recomend against it basicaly regardless of circumstances cause I saw 0 aspects in which it justified itself given the competition.
Out of interest, what would you say is competing with it at even 4k? Not trying to start an argument as Envy owner, genuinely interestedI also don't think the og envy is worth more than maybe 4k and is still uncompetitive at that price. Just different tastes. I own a dac that everyone else hates and I love it. Don't feel the need to justify what you like
Mogwai SE is fairly different tonaly but competes on a technical level for a bit over 2k used. While it won't run sus, honestly, euphoria evo gets extremely close with stuff it can run. The entry level wells stuff I would also put over envy for a more similar sound. Honestly, if you desperately want 300b with sus, I don't think envy is unjustifiable used (though I would still recomend against it). I just find the new pricing a joke from a technical stand pointOut of interest, what would you say is competing with it at even 4k? Not trying to start an argument as Envy owner, genuinely interested
Appreciate the response. Will let the board return to its proper topic by not expanding on envy stuff.Mogwai SE is fairly different tonaly but competes on a technical level for a bit over 2k used. While it won't run sus, honestly, euphoria evo gets extremely close with stuff it can run. The entry level wells stuff I would also put over envy for a more similar sound. Honestly, if you desperately want 300b with sus, I don't think envy is unjustifiable used (though I would still recomend against it). I just find the new pricing a joke from a technical stand point
Oh, I mean if you are talking zmf, you have way way way more options. DNA, EC, Glen, certain cavalli options, and many more I would req over envy. Its only for sus that i basicsly understand it at all. I mean, id take red october over envy and i hate that amp too.Cant second this. Had Euforia Evo and much more expensive Bliss. Envy simply blows both out of the water with ZMF headhpones not to speak of Susvara or Tungsten.
I dont think AE is trying to compete with 20k speaker amps, its simply a limited luxury variant with already upgraded tubes and some tweaks for deep pocket Feliks Audio fan crowd.
What is Envy OG?During the recent Heidelberg headphone fair, several people ordered Envy OG after a session with Immanis. It just had stock tubes.
Go figure
Appreciate the response. Will let the board return to its proper topic by not expanding on envy stuff.
Always nice to hear other impressions though.
I don't know that I would go for a Riviera but it's the old you don't know what you don't know. Will keep watching thread anyway as there's always interesting chain tips coming up, and Riviera continues to intrigue me as I dip a toe into summit fi.
All the best!
Just the non-AE Envy. Aka, the normal one.What is Envy OG?
the envy is spectacular and I am far from the only person who feels that way,with updated tubes It is as good as anything I have heard...you dont like it..so be it..I personally would not buy the limited edition model but more power to those who choose toI also don't think the og envy is worth more than maybe 4k and is still uncompetitive at that price. Just different tastes. I own a dac that everyone else hates and I love it. Don't feel the need to justify what you like
Original release and the perfomance edition.What is Envy OG?
Oh, I mean if you are talking zmf, you have way way way more options. DNA, EC, Glen, certain cavalli options, and many more I would req over envy. Its only for sus that i basicsly understand it at all. I mean, id take red october over envy and i hate that amp too.
Again, like what you like (I know many here would.l hate my chain), but I have no reason to not be honest about my distate for the massive cash grab I see the AE as being.