[Origin89]

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If you say so. Having tried a he'll of a lot of different tips out on them, I have given up. Life shouldn't be this complicated. I have said this elsewhere, but thirty quid Sounagic E10s sound a huge lot better and I don't have to faff around for hours getting increasingly frustrated with them.

Maybe you're easily pleased or somefink.

 
Maybe he's not a monkey. It isn't rocket-science to get these things properly fitted. 

 

[Muzeick]

Oh I think I got them 'properly fitted' alright - it's just that no matter what tips I use, the music sounds dull and not what my ears want to continue listening to.

The magic is missing.

 

[Origin89]

Understandable. This is a subjective game. 

 

[Zelda]

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speaking of musicality, there's something about the RE-400's mid that I don't exactly like, and I am unable to explain it either

try sony hybrids for a while

 

[jmsaxon69]

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Oh I think I got them 'properly fitted' alright - it's just that no matter what tips I use, the music sounds dull and not what my ears want to continue listening to.

The magic is missing.

Man, you want to hear dull? Try my Shure SE310, you'll fall asleep!

 

[kahaluu]

The RE-400 are more mid forward. Maybe, that's what you don't like about them. I personally like my vocals, so the 400's really suit me well.  

 

[lwien]

I LOVE the mids on my 400's, especially female vocals.

 

[Muzeick]

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Man, you want to hear dull? Try my Shure SE310, you'll fall asleep!

 
Lol. 
 
It astounds me that an iem can be produced that makes exciting music sound boring. I mean, whats the point?
 
As for the re-400, well I dunno, I just think ithey compromise soundstage, treble, bass and impact, They sound dry to me, lacking fluidity.  I can see how you might praise the fact that they are 'laidback' and allow for long listening sessions, but music should never become wallpaper or background noise, which is what I think these do.
 
Maybe it's because they're so small? Certainly I don't see why they have to be that tiny.

 

[tinyman392]

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The RE-400 are more mid forward. Maybe, that's what you don't like about them. I personally like my vocals, so the 400's really suit me well.  

 
Some people find that as you merge closer to neutral, the sound gets more boring.  I disagree with this, but they are free to disagree with me, everyone has their preferences. Remember, as you merge closer to neutral, what you feed it is what you get.  You begin to hear the errors in the recording itself.  If you match a neutral headphone with a good recording, it sounds like, well music.  If you match a colored headphone with a good recording, it can sound too boomy and dark.  However, if you match a compressed recording with a neutral headphone, you hear the compression (and the loss of detailing and musicality).  If you match that same recording with a colored headphone, it don't sound that bad anymore (it helps compensate for what was lost in the compression)  

 

[brhfl]

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Maybe it's because they're so small? Certainly I don't see why they have to be that tiny.

 
So that they'll actually fit in my friggin' ears. You have no idea how much I struggle with the majority of IEMs that I try...

 

[Muzeick]

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Some people find that as you merge closer to neutral, the sound gets more boring.  I disagree with this, but they are free to disagree with me, everyone has their preferences. Remember, as you merge closer to neutral, what you feed it is what you get.  You begin to hear the errors in the recording itself.  If you match a neutral headphone with a good recording, it sounds like, well music.  If you match a colored headphone with a good recording, it can sound too boomy and dark.  However, if you match a compressed recording with a neutral headphone, you hear the compression (and the loss of detailing and musicality).  If you match that same recording with a colored headphone, it don't sound that bad anymore (it helps compensate for what was lost in the compression)  

 
Nah.
 
If that were the case, how is it that when I play flac files of really well recorded music through my Re-400s, it sounds more boring and less enticing than the same files played through my Soundmagic E10s?  I am guessing you would say the Re-400s are more 'neutral' than the 'coloured' (your words) E10s?   By your logic, music should sound 'too boomy and dark' through the E10s, but it actually sounds wonderfully real and beautiful and makes me want to lie back and let it absorb me.
 
Compression and recording quality has nothing to do with it. Says me.

 

[kahaluu]

Everyone has different taste in phones, just like our taste in women. Some like their phones on the more neutral side, while others like a more musical phone. There is no right or wrong phone here, it totally depends on the individual. Different flavors for different folks.   

 

[Muzeick]

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Everyone has different taste in phones, just like our taste in women. Some like their phones on the more neutral side, while others like a more musical phone. There is no right or wrong phone here, it totally depends on the individual. Different flavors for different folks.   

 
I like my women to be musical, exciting and laidback,
 
You?

 

[tinyman392]

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Nah.
 
If that were the case, how is it that when I play flac files of really well recorded music through my Re-400s, it sounds more boring and less enticing than the same files played through my Soundmagic E10s?  I am guessing you would say the Re-400s are more 'neutral' than the 'coloured' (your words) E10s?   By your logic, music should sound 'too boomy and dark' through the E10s, but it actually sounds wonderfully real and beautiful and makes me want to lie back and let it absorb me.
 
Compression and recording quality has nothing to do with it. Says me.

 
Compression and recording quality have a lot to do with it, there is a clear and audible difference between a highly compressed song and a song that isn't compressed as much.  What songs are you listening to through your E10s.  FLAC files are high quality iff they were recorded that way XD

 

[PeterDLai]

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Nah.
 
If that were the case, how is it that when I play flac files of really well recorded music through my Re-400s, it sounds more boring and less enticing than the same files played through my Soundmagic E10s?  I am guessing you would say the Re-400s are more 'neutral' than the 'coloured' (your words) E10s?   By your logic, music should sound 'too boomy and dark' through the E10s, but it actually sounds wonderfully real and beautiful and makes me want to lie back and let it absorb me.
 
Compression and recording quality has nothing to do with it. Says me.

 
What are you looking for in an upgrade to your E10? It sounds like you already know what you like, but went in the opposite direction. No need to try and force yourself to like anything, just look for something more similar to the E10.
 
ClieOS puts the E10 in the "balanced" category (note: his interpretation of "balanced" is a treble and bass enhanced sound), so maybe you can look at this post to find what you're looking for.