RAAL 1995 Immanis
May 20, 2024 at 11:55 AM Post #361 of 420
Well then you're in for an exciting year.
Next month Hifiman plans ti reveal their new flagship. (As in something they think, beats the Susvara)

I guess competition is good for business🤷‍♂️
Interesting, I haven't heard about that yet.
Too much on my wallet's radar these days... Immanis... X8000... new Hifiman flagship...
 
May 20, 2024 at 12:31 PM Post #362 of 420
Now let’s see what the new Susvara will cost?
If better than Imannis then I will wait for all the reviews and burn in to make a final decision but I can’t imagine it will beat the sound stage, speed and impactfullness described for early demos of Imannis. Time will tell.
Rumors say 8k. Which means ~10k for people in germany. Same price as full fledged Immanis
 
May 20, 2024 at 3:47 PM Post #363 of 420
Rumors say 8k. Which means ~10k for people in germany. Same price as full fledged Immanis
I doubt this will be the case initially, but with a full retail price of $6K US, I emailed several HM authorized dealers. Many were at full retail and several were at 25-30% off with drop shipping direct from HM. I was pleasantly surprised!
 
May 20, 2024 at 3:48 PM Post #364 of 420
I doubt this will be the case initially, but with a full retail price of $6K US, I emailed several HM authorized dealers. Many were at full retail and several were at 25-30% off with drop shipping direct from HM. I was pleasantly surprised!
That's one thing Hifiman has going for it.
Big room for deals
 
May 20, 2024 at 6:34 PM Post #365 of 420
May be slightly premature/not enough data but:
  1. Is Immanis generally easier to drive than Susvara?
  2. What are some good DAC/amp combos that theoretically can drive both? I'm asking because I'd have to stretch for my dream (long-game, not end-game) setup and wanted to ideally not have to change amps when/if I change headphones.
 
May 20, 2024 at 6:42 PM Post #366 of 420
May be slightly premature/not enough data but:
  1. Is Immanis generally easier to drive than Susvara?
  2. What are some good DAC/amp combos that theoretically can drive both? I'm asking because I'd have to stretch for my dream (long-game, not end-game) setup and wanted to ideally not have to change amps when/if I change headphones.
1. No
2. Feliks Envy has great synergy with both.
On DAC side, Rockna Wavelight, Holo May, anything T+A comes to mind, before it starts to get esoteric
 
May 28, 2024 at 3:17 PM Post #367 of 420
I just wrapped up a wonderful two weeks living with both the Immanis and Magna. The Immanis is mine, but I have @MokhaMark to thank for the Magna. I’m pretty sure he only owned his Magna for a week or two before letting me borrow it. I’ve been asking myself if the roles were reversed, would I have been willing to give up my new and astonishingly great headphone to let someone else demo it for two weeks. I’m not sure I could have done it. I think I’m too selfish and couldn’t have given it up like that. All that is to say thank you, @MokhaMark, for being a better person than I am!




The comparison below is based on about 80 hours of listening on the Immanis (running in for about 125), and about 40 hours of listening on the Magna (presumably it already had some hours on it from Mark). RAAL’s Star 8 cable was used with both. Both were run off the RAAL-requisite VM-1a, Zahl HM1, and RAAL-requisite HSA-1b.

The majority of the music used was instrumental progressive metal and rock, like Night Verses, Intervals, Syncatto, Bernth, Animals as Leaders, etc., some prog metal and rock with vocals like Dream Theater, some acoustic guitar like Rodrigo y Gabriela, and a few vocal-centric tracks and classical / orchestral tracks. I rarely listen to vocals or classical, so it’s tough for me to properly assess if it sounds better or worse than it is supposed to (but none of it sounded bad!). I didn’t listen to any jazz, rap, hip hop, or country because I literally have no idea how that is supposed to sound and anything I could say would be at best useless and at worst misleading. Sorry.

Please keep in mind that this is a comparison of the Immanis and Magna. It is not meant to be a comparison to other non-ribbon headphones—that is coming later. So, when I say one of these RAALs sounds worse to me with respect to some characteristic, don’t infer that this means it is bad compared to other headphones. It almost assuredly does not mean that. These two RAALs are, to my ears, two of the best headphones in existence. The weaker of the two in one category may well still trounce any other headphone in that category.

SQ Assessments

Staging: One of the biggest differentiators between the Immanis and Magna is the headstaging. The Immanis sounds quite expansive—everything sounds big. Not cavernous like the HD800S, but certainly more big-venue than smokey lounge. The Magna is noticeably more intimate. Not quite reach-out-and-touch the instruments like the Spirit Torino Valkyria, but certainly closer to lounge staging than concert hall. This difference in perceived staging has some spill-over impacts as mentioned below.

Dynamics/Punchiness: This category is an important one. Most of the Immanis vs Magna impressions shared so far have noted that the Magna sounds punchier—that the Immanis was more an SR-1a successor and the Magna more a CA-1a successor. That had me worried that I chose the wrong headphone by ordering the Immanis. I love both the SR1a and the CA1a, but I do really appreciate the extra punchiness of the CA1a. In fact, if I were being completely honest about it, if someone asked me which I liked more, some days I would say the SR1a, and some days I would say they’re even, but probably the slight majority of days I would say the CA1a. Thankfully, I had no reason to worry about ordering the Immanis. The dynamics on both the Immanis and Magna are top notch. Simply incredible, in fact. The more expansive staging on the Immanis does mean the instruments sound farther away, yet rather than that perceived extra distance making the notes sound more diffuse, it as though they are shot at you with a laser beam. It’s almost like, as the stage on the Immanis expands, the instruments themselves also get bigger. Another analogy might be your opponent in a boxing match. With the Magna, your opponent is a powerful compact fighter who lands blows from close range. With the Immanis, you’re fighting someone who has a longer reach and attacks from a foot farther back. But those Immanis punches still land and they still hurt (in a good way)! Nonetheless, the instruments sound farther away on the Immanis than on the Magna, and that Magna closeness could be perceived as punchier or more energetic. For the vast majority of music I listen to, though, the difference I perceived was just intimacy, not dynamics. In fact, I was able to identify one—just one—song that sounded better to me on the Magna than it did on the Immanis. That one track is Queen’s Killer Queen. This is not a track I listen to often, but I went back and forth several times, and am confident it sounds slightly better to me on the Magna than on the Immanis. My best assessment of why is live venue energy. By that, I mean that even if you’re at a big venue, there is an energy difference being in the front row than the middle or back. I wouldn’t even say this is a difference in dynamics—at a concert, the sonic sweet spot may well be back from the front row. Yet, there’s an undeniable energy, which really isn’t directly correlated to the music itself, with being right in front of the musicians. Somehow, on this one song, the Magna captured that energy in a way the Immanis did not. However, if you enjoy music technicalities as much as the energetic feeling of a live venue, the dynamics of the Immanis are, IMO, just as good as those on the Magna. Note, both the Immanis and Magna need a little bit of volume to come alive. 68 dBs will do it, but they sound lackluster at, say, 63 dBs.

Dynamic Range: Both the Immanis and Magna have incredible dynamic range, competently reproducing the quietest and loudest notes in any track with apparent ease. I would, however, give the nod to the Immanis as being just a tiny bit better at handling the extremes.

Timbre: Wow. The timbre on both new RAALs is simply stunning. Every note is reproduced with so much information—so much accurate information—that every drum strike and guitar pluck, every piano note and the vibration from every violin string, is incredibly lifelike and beamed directly to your ears. The attack of every note is spot on and erupts out of nowhere, and the decay is wholly believable and clearly a reflection of the instrument—the decay is from the note, not driver inertia or cup reverb. The texture of everything is astonishing. That said, between the Immanis and Magna, the Immanis holds pole position here. I presume because of the third ribbon, it takes life-like to another plane.

Resolution & Clarity: In my experience, the SR1a owned the resolution and clarity space, with competition coming only from the best e-stats (of which I have only had some brief auditions), and (for resolution only) the DCA Stealth. Move over SR1a, because the Immanis and Magna have you beat. This might not immediately jump out at the listener, I suspect because the Immanis and Magna are less fatiguing and sound less etched than the SR1a, and thus the two newer models might be perceived as sounding smoother. Avoid falling into that trap, though, and the exceptional resolution and clarity is apparent. Here, the Immanis is a bit ahead of the Magna. I would guess that’s a combination of two things: (1) the third ribbon cancels out errors (analogizing to room modes) more; and (2) the superior instrument separation (in part from the more expansive staging) gives it a leg up in avoiding congestion on busy tracks.





Instrument Separation & Imaging: Instrument separation on the Immanis surpasses the Magna, though both are great compared to other headphones. But here, the more expansive soundstage on the Immanis is perceived as pulling the instruments apart in space, and that has exactly the affect you would expect on separation, particularly when that extra distance doesn’t make instruments sound more diffuse, which it doesn’t on the new RAALs. Both are very holographic, with the Immanis slightly ahead. Imaging on both is also remarkable, though again, the Immanis takes the crown.

Speed: I perceive both the Immanis and Magna to sound incredibly fast. They seem even to me in this category.

Bass: The bass on both the Immanis and Magna is exceptional. And I don’t mean exceptional for a ribbon. I mean exceptional compared to all headphones on the market. Bass extension, texture, detail, control, and—once the ribbons are broken in—slam, are simply amazing. Here, again, I have to give the nod to the Immanis, though. It extends deeper, and has superior texture, detail, and control. Perceived slam I would put at about equal, with the intimacy of the Magna balancing out the Immanis’ advantage in moving more air with its larger driver surface area.

Mids: Both Magna and Immanis have great mids and the flat FR curve means the mids aren’t being overshadowed by the bass or treble—both are very balanced. Here it will likely come down to personal preference. Which is more important to you when you’re focusing on the mids—intimacy or texture/timbre/instrument separation?

Treble: Both RAALs excel in the treble region. Clarity, texture, timbre are all top notch, though the Immanis runs a bit ahead. Neither headphone is fatiguing (more on that below), assuredly thanks to the multiple ribbon drivers, but the Immanis is a touch smoother in the treble. Interestingly, the Magna seems to have slightly better treble extension (more on that below, too), but it’s very hard to notice that when enjoying music.

Vocals: The difference here again comes down to intimacy, at least for me. Are you drawn to intimate vocals or those delivered in a bigger venue? Either way, vocals on both headphones are amazing—the detail and texture conveyed is out of this world. If you’re looking for the excitement of the front row or mosh pit, irrespective of technicalities, you might find the Magna vocals more exciting as the Queen track seemed to suggest to me. If you prefer more distant large-venue vocals, the Immanis will sound more natural. For example, with “Into the Unknown” on the Frozen 2 soundtrack (go easy on me please—I almost never listen to any vocals and since I have two young daughters, it was the first example I could think of with a skilled female vocalist), the vocals actually sound more natural and compelling on the Immanis than on the Magna, likely because they were not recorded to sound as intimate as say, the Queen track.

Frequency Response: When listening to music, both the Immanis and Magna strike me as very balanced. I don’t have any testing equipment and wouldn’t trust myself to set it up and run tests correctly even if I did. I can, however, listen to a sine sweep. That, of course, will expose as much about the limits of my own hearing as the limits of the headphone. And, while I did this at the higher end of my preferred volume, that’s still very low compared to pretty much everyone else (68 dBs). With those caveats, I can sense something starting around 22 Hz with the Immanis, and actually hear it audibly starting at about 25 Hz. I hear a small peak around 3 kHz, small dip around 3.8-4.2 kHz, quite noticeable dip around 6.2-6.7 kHz, small peak around 8.8-9.7 kHz, and a very pronounced rolloff starting at 11 kHz until I can’t hear anything just past 12 kHz. On the Magna, I can sense something starting around 28 Hz, and hear it audibly starting around 33 Hz. I hear a small dip around 3.8-4.1 kHz, quite noticeable dip around 6.2-7.3 kHz, small peak around 8.9 kHz, and a pronounced rolloff starting at about 10.8 kHz, with it becoming inaudible at about 13 kHz. Thus, the Immanis extends a bit deeper. The Magna starts to roll off just the tiniest bit earlier in the treble but extends a bit higher than the Immanis before becoming inaudible (to me).

Fatigue: For some music, on some amps, and for some people, the SR1a could get a bit edgy. The Immanis and Magna remove that fatigue without losing any detail. I’ve heard the new RAALs described as “smooth”—especially the Immanis. For me personally, “smooth” is usually a dirty word as I associate it with loss of resolution and dynamics. Thankfully, that’s not a problem at all with either the Immanis or Magna. Instead, “smooth” just means not harsh or fatiguing. In terms of the difference between the two, I would say the Immanis is slightly less fatiguing in the treble, but the Magna is no slouch.

Non-SQ Assessments

Comfort: The fit is very similar between the Magna and Immanis, as you’d expect based on the similar design. Both have what I consider to be the perfect amount of clamp. Enough to get a seal but not uncomfortable, even after long listening sessions. No hot spots on the head with either. Each time I swapped from the Immanis to the Magna, I thought to myself that the Magna was slightly more comfortable. Then, when I swapped back to the Immanis, I thought no, actually, the Immanis is slightly more comfortable. I ultimately figured out that the pads were cooler on whichever I swapped to for the first minute, which was refreshing in the warmer weather. All that is to say that I think they’re equally comfortable. I never noticed the extra weight of the Immanis. But I’m also used to the Abyss 1266 TC and Valkyria. If you are sensitive to weight, perhaps you’d find the Magna more comfortable over long listening sessions.

Quality: Both the Magna and Immanis exude quality. They both appear to use premium materials with great attention to detail. No worries about the material quality or durability of either, as far as I can tell.



Aesthetics: Appearance obviously comes down to personal preference. I will say that gold usually strikes me as too gaudy. Not so with the Immanis, though. For some reason, to me, the gold grilles match slightly better with the wood veneer on the cups and comes across as classy and luxurious without stepping over the line toward ostentatious. I also like the very subtle sun at the top of the grilles on the Immanis which I probably wouldn’t have noticed had Aleks not said anything. It’s the little things. I think both headphones are stunning.





Choosing Between the Immanis and Magna

You might prefer the Magna if:
  • The significant price difference between the two is important
  • You prefer a more intimate soundstage, including but not limited to more intimate vocals, even if it comes at the expense of some technicalities, timbre, and texture
  • You prioritize front-row live venue energy and spend most of your time listening to tracks that can capture that
  • You quickly find heavier headphones uncomfortable
If these don’t describe you, or at least don’t take priority over other characteristics, get the Immanis. It’s the better headphone in nearly every conceivable category.
 
May 28, 2024 at 3:24 PM Post #368 of 420
I just wrapped up a wonderful two weeks living with both the Immanis and Magna. The Immanis is mine, but I have @MokhaMark to thank for the Magna. I’m pretty sure he only owned his Magna for a week or two before letting me borrow it. I’ve been asking myself if the roles were reversed, would I have been willing to give up my new and astonishingly great headphone to let someone else demo it for two weeks. I’m not sure I could have done it. I think I’m too selfish and couldn’t have given it up like that. All that is to say thank you, @MokhaMark, for being a better person than I am!




The comparison below is based on about 80 hours of listening on the Immanis (running in for about 125), and about 40 hours of listening on the Magna (presumably it already had some hours on it from Mark). RAAL’s Star 8 cable was used with both. Both were run off the RAAL-requisite VM-1a, Zahl HM1, and RAAL-requisite HSA-1b.

The majority of the music used was instrumental progressive metal and rock, like Night Verses, Intervals, Syncatto, Bernth, Animals as Leaders, etc., some prog metal and rock with vocals like Dream Theater, some acoustic guitar like Rodrigo y Gabriela, and a few vocal-centric tracks and classical / orchestral tracks. I rarely listen to vocals or classical, so it’s tough for me to properly assess if it sounds better or worse than it is supposed to (but none of it sounded bad!). I didn’t listen to any jazz, rap, hip hop, or country because I literally have no idea how that is supposed to sound and anything I could say would be at best useless and at worst misleading. Sorry.

Please keep in mind that this is a comparison of the Immanis and Magna. It is not meant to be a comparison to other non-ribbon headphones—that is coming later. So, when I say one of these RAALs sounds worse to me with respect to some characteristic, don’t infer that this means it is bad compared to other headphones. It almost assuredly does not mean that. These two RAALs are, to my ears, two of the best headphones in existence. The weaker of the two in one category may well still trounce any other headphone in that category.

SQ Assessments

Staging: One of the biggest differentiators between the Immanis and Magna is the headstaging. The Immanis sounds quite expansive—everything sounds big. Not cavernous like the HD800S, but certainly more big-venue than smokey lounge. The Magna is noticeably more intimate. Not quite reach-out-and-touch the instruments like the Spirit Torino Valkyria, but certainly closer to lounge staging than concert hall. This difference in perceived staging has some spill-over impacts as mentioned below.

Dynamics/Punchiness: This category is an important one. Most of the Immanis vs Magna impressions shared so far have noted that the Magna sounds punchier—that the Immanis was more an SR-1a successor and the Magna more a CA-1a successor. That had me worried that I chose the wrong headphone by ordering the Immanis. I love both the SR1a and the CA1a, but I do really appreciate the extra punchiness of the CA1a. In fact, if I were being completely honest about it, if someone asked me which I liked more, some days I would say the SR1a, and some days I would say they’re even, but probably the slight majority of days I would say the CA1a. Thankfully, I had no reason to worry about ordering the Immanis. The dynamics on both the Immanis and Magna are top notch. Simply incredible, in fact. The more expansive staging on the Immanis does mean the instruments sound farther away, yet rather than that perceived extra distance making the notes sound more diffuse, it as though they are shot at you with a laser beam. It’s almost like, as the stage on the Immanis expands, the instruments themselves also get bigger. Another analogy might be your opponent in a boxing match. With the Magna, your opponent is a powerful compact fighter who lands blows from close range. With the Immanis, you’re fighting someone who has a longer reach and attacks from a foot farther back. But those Immanis punches still land and they still hurt (in a good way)! Nonetheless, the instruments sound farther away on the Immanis than on the Magna, and that Magna closeness could be perceived as punchier or more energetic. For the vast majority of music I listen to, though, the difference I perceived was just intimacy, not dynamics. In fact, I was able to identify one—just one—song that sounded better to me on the Magna than it did on the Immanis. That one track is Queen’s Killer Queen. This is not a track I listen to often, but I went back and forth several times, and am confident it sounds slightly better to me on the Magna than on the Immanis. My best assessment of why is live venue energy. By that, I mean that even if you’re at a big venue, there is an energy difference being in the front row than the middle or back. I wouldn’t even say this is a difference in dynamics—at a concert, the sonic sweet spot may well be back from the front row. Yet, there’s an undeniable energy, which really isn’t directly correlated to the music itself, with being right in front of the musicians. Somehow, on this one song, the Magna captured that energy in a way the Immanis did not. However, if you enjoy music technicalities as much as the energetic feeling of a live venue, the dynamics of the Immanis are, IMO, just as good as those on the Magna. Note, both the Immanis and Magna need a little bit of volume to come alive. 68 dBs will do it, but they sound lackluster at, say, 63 dBs.

Dynamic Range: Both the Immanis and Magna have incredible dynamic range, competently reproducing the quietest and loudest notes in any track with apparent ease. I would, however, give the nod to the Immanis as being just a tiny bit better at handling the extremes.

Timbre: Wow. The timbre on both new RAALs is simply stunning. Every note is reproduced with so much information—so much accurate information—that every drum strike and guitar pluck, every piano note and the vibration from every violin string, is incredibly lifelike and beamed directly to your ears. The attack of every note is spot on and erupts out of nowhere, and the decay is wholly believable and clearly a reflection of the instrument—the decay is from the note, not driver inertia or cup reverb. The texture of everything is astonishing. That said, between the Immanis and Magna, the Immanis holds pole position here. I presume because of the third ribbon, it takes life-like to another plane.

Resolution & Clarity: In my experience, the SR1a owned the resolution and clarity space, with competition coming only from the best e-stats (of which I have only had some brief auditions), and (for resolution only) the DCA Stealth. Move over SR1a, because the Immanis and Magna have you beat. This might not immediately jump out at the listener, I suspect because the Immanis and Magna are less fatiguing and sound less etched than the SR1a, and thus the two newer models might be perceived as sounding smoother. Avoid falling into that trap, though, and the exceptional resolution and clarity is apparent. Here, the Immanis is a bit ahead of the Magna. I would guess that’s a combination of two things: (1) the third ribbon cancels out errors (analogizing to room modes) more; and (2) the superior instrument separation (in part from the more expansive staging) gives it a leg up in avoiding congestion on busy tracks.





Instrument Separation & Imaging: Instrument separation on the Immanis surpasses the Magna, though both are great compared to other headphones. But here, the more expansive soundstage on the Immanis is perceived as pulling the instruments apart in space, and that has exactly the affect you would expect on separation, particularly when that extra distance doesn’t make instruments sound more diffuse, which it doesn’t on the new RAALs. Both are very holographic, with the Immanis slightly ahead. Imaging on both is also remarkable, though again, the Immanis takes the crown.

Speed: I perceive both the Immanis and Magna to sound incredibly fast. They seem even to me in this category.

Bass: The bass on both the Immanis and Magna is exceptional. And I don’t mean exceptional for a ribbon. I mean exceptional compared to all headphones on the market. Bass extension, texture, detail, control, and—once the ribbons are broken in—slam, are simply amazing. Here, again, I have to give the nod to the Immanis, though. It extends deeper, and has superior texture, detail, and control. Perceived slam I would put at about equal, with the intimacy of the Magna balancing out the Immanis’ advantage in moving more air with its larger driver surface area.

Mids: Both Magna and Immanis have great mids and the flat FR curve means the mids aren’t being overshadowed by the bass or treble—both are very balanced. Here it will likely come down to personal preference. Which is more important to you when you’re focusing on the mids—intimacy or texture/timbre/instrument separation?

Treble: Both RAALs excel in the treble region. Clarity, texture, timbre are all top notch, though the Immanis runs a bit ahead. Neither headphone is fatiguing (more on that below), assuredly thanks to the multiple ribbon drivers, but the Immanis is a touch smoother in the treble. Interestingly, the Magna seems to have slightly better treble extension (more on that below, too), but it’s very hard to notice that when enjoying music.

Vocals: The difference here again comes down to intimacy, at least for me. Are you drawn to intimate vocals or those delivered in a bigger venue? Either way, vocals on both headphones are amazing—the detail and texture conveyed is out of this world. If you’re looking for the excitement of the front row or mosh pit, irrespective of technicalities, you might find the Magna vocals more exciting as the Queen track seemed to suggest to me. If you prefer more distant large-venue vocals, the Immanis will sound more natural. For example, with “Into the Unknown” on the Frozen 2 soundtrack (go easy on me please—I almost never listen to any vocals and since I have two young daughters, it was the first example I could think of with a skilled female vocalist), the vocals actually sound more natural and compelling on the Immanis than on the Magna, likely because they were not recorded to sound as intimate as say, the Queen track.

Frequency Response: When listening to music, both the Immanis and Magna strike me as very balanced. I don’t have any testing equipment and wouldn’t trust myself to set it up and run tests correctly even if I did. I can, however, listen to a sine sweep. That, of course, will expose as much about the limits of my own hearing as the limits of the headphone. And, while I did this at the higher end of my preferred volume, that’s still very low compared to pretty much everyone else (68 dBs). With those caveats, I can sense something starting around 22 Hz with the Immanis, and actually hear it audibly starting at about 25 Hz. I hear a small peak around 3 kHz, small dip around 3.8-4.2 kHz, quite noticeable dip around 6.2-6.7 kHz, small peak around 8.8-9.7 kHz, and a very pronounced rolloff starting at 11 kHz until I can’t hear anything just past 12 kHz. On the Magna, I can sense something starting around 28 Hz, and hear it audibly starting around 33 Hz. I hear a small dip around 3.8-4.1 kHz, quite noticeable dip around 6.2-7.3 kHz, small peak around 8.9 kHz, and a pronounced rolloff starting at about 10.8 kHz, with it becoming inaudible at about 13 kHz. Thus, the Immanis extends a bit deeper. The Magna starts to roll off just the tiniest bit earlier in the treble but extends a bit higher than the Immanis before becoming inaudible (to me).

Fatigue: For some music, on some amps, and for some people, the SR1a could get a bit edgy. The Immanis and Magna remove that fatigue without losing any detail. I’ve heard the new RAALs described as “smooth”—especially the Immanis. For me personally, “smooth” is usually a dirty word as I associate it with loss of resolution and dynamics. Thankfully, that’s not a problem at all with either the Immanis or Magna. Instead, “smooth” just means not harsh or fatiguing. In terms of the difference between the two, I would say the Immanis is slightly less fatiguing in the treble, but the Magna is no slouch.

Non-SQ Assessments

Comfort: The fit is very similar between the Magna and Immanis, as you’d expect based on the similar design. Both have what I consider to be the perfect amount of clamp. Enough to get a seal but not uncomfortable, even after long listening sessions. No hot spots on the head with either. Each time I swapped from the Immanis to the Magna, I thought to myself that the Magna was slightly more comfortable. Then, when I swapped back to the Immanis, I thought no, actually, the Immanis is slightly more comfortable. I ultimately figured out that the pads were cooler on whichever I swapped to for the first minute, which was refreshing in the warmer weather. All that is to say that I think they’re equally comfortable. I never noticed the extra weight of the Immanis. But I’m also used to the Abyss 1266 TC and Valkyria. If you are sensitive to weight, perhaps you’d find the Magna more comfortable over long listening sessions.

Quality: Both the Magna and Immanis exude quality. They both appear to use premium materials with great attention to detail. No worries about the material quality or durability of either, as far as I can tell.



Aesthetics: Appearance obviously comes down to personal preference. I will say that gold usually strikes me as too gaudy. Not so with the Immanis, though. For some reason, to me, the gold grilles match slightly better with the wood veneer on the cups and comes across as classy and luxurious without stepping over the line toward ostentatious. I also like the very subtle sun at the top of the grilles on the Immanis which I probably wouldn’t have noticed had Aleks not said anything. It’s the little things. I think both headphones are stunning.





Choosing Between the Immanis and Magna

You might prefer the Magna if:
  • The significant price difference between the two is important
  • You prefer a more intimate soundstage, including but not limited to more intimate vocals, even if it comes at the expense of some technicalities, timbre, and texture
  • You prioritize front-row live venue energy and spend most of your time listening to tracks that can capture that
  • You quickly find heavier headphones uncomfortable
If these don’t describe you, or at least don’t take priority over other characteristics, get the Immanis. It’s the better headphone in nearly every conceivable category.
Thanks for a very comprehensive, balanced impression. And excellent guidance at the end to help anyone make an informed decision. I am now REALLY excited about the Immanis. Fingers crossed I get it in time for my 60th birthday this month. I was going to get something like a gorgeous watch. But I decided that the Immanis would give me infinitely more joy. And reading your write up, I know it was the right decision! :)
 
May 29, 2024 at 5:21 AM Post #369 of 420
Is the more expansive sound stage of Immanis as large and 3D as the Hifiman HEKSE?

How does it compare the the Susvara on a proper amp?

Does using the interface for Immanis on regular SS or tube amps introduce any noise or coloration compared to direct drive without the interface with the amps you used with it??
 
May 29, 2024 at 8:43 AM Post #370 of 420
Both were run off the RAAL-requisite VM-1a, Zahl HM1, and RAAL-requisite HSA-1b.
An excellent write-up. Now, to complete the picture, could you say a few words about how the 3 amps compared?
Both in outright SQ and whether HM1's unique sound-changing features (soundbase/tone controls/servo) were able to change its ranking?
 
May 29, 2024 at 11:06 AM Post #371 of 420
Is the more expansive sound stage of Immanis as large and 3D as the Hifiman HEKSE?

How does it compare the the Susvara on a proper amp?
Unfortunately, I will have to defer to someone else on these questions. I haven't had quite enough time with the Susvara, and I don't think I've ever heard the HEKSE. Sorry!
Does using the interface for Immanis on regular SS or tube amps introduce any noise or coloration compared to direct drive without the interface with the amps you used with it??
I don't think so, but this is also a tricky thing to test, as it's tough to tell whether any differences I'm hearing are from the amp or the interface. I.e., there's no way to use the same amp as both direct drive and through the interface. The closest I could come was to use the HSA-1b direct drive to the Immanis/Magna, and then through the interface connected to the HSA-1b regular XLR out intended for non-ribbon HPs. In that case, the direct drive sounded much better. But those two XLR jacks don't have identical outputs, either (one has open baffle compensation and the other does not), so I still can't tell if the difference is the interface or the difference between the female and male XLR outputs.
 
May 29, 2024 at 11:29 AM Post #372 of 420
An excellent write-up. Now, to complete the picture, could you say a few words about how the 3 amps compared?
Both in outright SQ and whether HM1's unique sound-changing features (soundbase/tone controls/servo) were able to change its ranking?
Thanks! I will cover the amp pairings in more detail in the Immanis review I'm working on, but I can say that the Immanis and Magna both appeared to react the same way to each amp. In other words, changing amps did not affect their relative rankings. There are absolutely noticeable differences between each amp, but those differences showed up the same way on both the Immanis and Magna.

The one exception might be the soundstage adjustment on the HM1, but ultimately, not really, to my ears. The effect of that adjustment is to move the instruments to the left and right of dead center forward or back. With the knob all the way to the left, it sounds like the musicians are arranged in a sharp V-shape with the point in the center facing me. All the way to the right, and they're arranged in a shallow arc wrapping around me to the sides. In the V-shape, the musicians on the sides almost hide behind the instrument/vocalist in the center because of the acute angle. But (again to my ears), the actual lateral distance between each instrument doesn't change--the ones on the side just move forward or back. On the Immanis, they're each laterally farther apart to begin with, and the instruments on the sides just move closer or farther away. On the Magna, they're laterally closer together to being with and the instruments on the sides similarly move closer or farther away. Thus, that adjustment does effect intimacy (except for the center image which doesn't move), but does so the same way on both HPs. Since the Immanis stages larger side-to-side, and that isn't affected by the HM1 soundstage adjustment to my ears, I still perceive big differences between the Immanis and Magna regardless of that adjustment. YMMV, of course.
 
May 29, 2024 at 5:39 PM Post #373 of 420
Hey everyone! Just a reminder that you don't have to rely on comparisons from joe schmo (me, I'm talking about me), since there's an opportunity to demo both the Immanis and Magna yourself. We have our local Denver meet on June 22, and we're going to have a pretty epic lineup of summit-fi gear available for demo in a pretty quiet environment. Danny McKinney, @SageM , with RAAL-requisite / RAAL 1995, will be joining us. Between him and attendees, we will have an Immanis, Magna, SR1a/b, CA-1a, VM-1a, and HSA-1b available for listening. Danny also plans to bring a Feliks Envy and Solaja Audio's soon-to-be-released 300B amp. And he is going to try to bring the new SAEQ Armageddon. There is even a slim chance he will be able to bring a Trafomatic Primavera. We'll also have a bunch of other cool stuff like a Spirit Torino Valkyria, Warwick Bravura, DCA Stealth, a variety of ZMFs, and a Zahl HM1. We have some spots for out-of-towners if demoing this gear in a quiet environment is worth travelling. If that's you, let us know here: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/colorado-head-fi-meet-june-22-2024.972574/
 
May 29, 2024 at 6:45 PM Post #375 of 420
Hey everyone! Just a reminder that you don't have to rely on comparisons from joe schmo (me, I'm talking about me), since there's an opportunity to demo both the Immanis and Magna yourself. We have our local Denver meet on June 22, and we're going to have a pretty epic lineup of summit-fi gear available for demo in a pretty quiet environment. Danny McKinney, @SageM , with RAAL-requisite / RAAL 1995, will be joining us. Between him and attendees, we will have an Immanis, Magna, SR1a/b, CA-1a, VM-1a, and HSA-1b available for listening. Danny also plans to bring a Feliks Envy and Solaja Audio's soon-to-be-released 300B amp. And he is going to try to bring the new SAEQ Armageddon. There is even a slim chance he will be able to bring a Trafomatic Primavera. We'll also have a bunch of other cool stuff like a Spirit Torino Valkyria, Warwick Bravura, DCA Stealth, a variety of ZMFs, and a Zahl HM1. We have some spots for out-of-towners if demoing this gear in a quiet environment is worth travelling. If that's you, let us know here: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/colorado-head-fi-meet-june-22-2024.972574/
Wish I still lived in the States, would be a blast to attend. So much cool stuff to listen to. Looking forward to the feedback!
 

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