Feb 5, 2008 at 10:56 AM Post #331 of 451
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Originally Posted by micaela /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I spent 10 days with both amps thanks to ASR's loaner program. I found the Pico to be the warmer of the two. I did not think the Predator was cold or overly analytical sounding, and if I had not been directly comparing the two I might not have heard this so clearly- but when comparing the two directly I definitely found the Pico to be warmer.


Do you know how many hours of play time each amp had before reaching you?

I can't yet say anything about the Pico, not having one here yet, but besides having a 1000+ hour Predator here now I briefly had a 350+ hour Predator and it was very different and in many ways quite deficient (or rather, undeveloped). The 350+ hr amp was quite upper-mid prominent, somewhat "bright" with "feathered" edges around notes from mids up, a bit edgy and fatiguing all around and lacking in the clean/clear/smooth highs, transparent "window", separation/definition/dimension to instruments, deep/impactful/authoritative bottom end, warmth and more lifelike presentation of the 1000+ hour amp.

"Warmth" is not ipso facto a good thing, depending on your taste and viewpoint, but the younger amp was definitely lacking warmth, as compared to the more mature amp. If you read through jamato's long blog noting the developments as his Predator matured I'm sure you'll get a more complete picture, but these are my brief thoughts comparing the two and why some listeners may have heard a "colder", "brighter", less-than-clean and certainly much less beautiful Predator than one that's been through the (really really) long maturing period.

As a footnote, I received both amps and first started listening to them at the play-hours noted above. I did not hear them previously and had no "psychoacoustic adjustment" period with either. Just plug, play and immediate impressions (with some additional listening begun, of course).
 
Feb 5, 2008 at 1:39 PM Post #332 of 451
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Originally Posted by Romanee /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Do you know how many hours of play time each amp had before reaching you?

I can't yet say anything about the Pico, not having one here yet, but besides having a 1000+ hour Predator here now I briefly had a 350+ hour Predator and it was very different and in many ways quite deficient (or rather, undeveloped). The 350+ hr amp was quite upper-mid prominent, somewhat "bright" with "feathered" edges around notes from mids up, a bit edgy and fatiguing all around and lacking in the clean/clear/smooth highs, transparent "window", separation/definition/dimension to instruments, deep/impactful/authoritative bottom end, warmth and more lifelike presentation of the 1000+ hour amp.

"Warmth" is not ipso facto a good thing, depending on your taste and viewpoint, but the younger amp was definitely lacking warmth, as compared to the more mature amp. If you read through jamato's long blog noting the developments as his Predator matured I'm sure you'll get a more complete picture, but these are my brief thoughts comparing the two and why some listeners may have heard a "colder", "brighter", less-than-clean and certainly much less beautiful Predator than one that's been through the (really really) long maturing period.

As a footnote, I received both amps and first started listening to them at the play-hours noted above. I did not hear them previously and had no "psychoacoustic adjustment" period with either. Just plug, play and immediate impressions (with some additional listening begun, of course).





As I said earlier - I could only say what I heard when I heard it! I'd guess the pred. had about 60 - 70 hours on it when I let it go. So yeah -- burn in may well be a big issure -- I can't say.
 
Feb 5, 2008 at 1:58 PM Post #333 of 451
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Originally Posted by The Monkey /img/forum/go_quote.gif
There is an increasing (and unfortunate) misperception around here these days that to critique an amp or state something other than a glowing review does not contribute to the conversation.

Nonsense.

The things people dislike about amps are just as informative as the things they like.



Very few would argue with you - anyone who did probably had an agenda to push. But you are totally missing the boat if you think it's the informative and constructive posts are what some are saying about "bashing and trashing".

I can't speak for others but I stand by what I said. As someone who has no experience and visits infrequently I was shocked to read a few posts where pretty much just the name of RSA was being dragged into the mud. This isn't about "I prefer the Pico to the Predator" posts - those posts ARE informative. If you aren't seeing the other posts then good for you, it must mean you have a good filter for tossing out the garbage. I wish I had that ability.
 
Feb 5, 2008 at 3:41 PM Post #334 of 451
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Originally Posted by jlingo /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I was listening to UE9 using a Predator DAC today, all I can say is WOW! I take back the word thin and lacking of body
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Now, I prefer Predator DAC -> UE9 than iMOD(Vcap) LISA III, UE9 combination.
Predator DAC -> UE9 sounds very expansive and the bass goes very deep, very dynamic, huge soundstage. Please keep in mind it's only with Ultrasone Edition 9. This may not apply with other headphones.

I would have to say OMG OMG OMG!! I'm totally hooked with predator DAC and UE9. Oh by the way,
NOW I WISH SOMEONE CAME OUT WITH A PLAYER WITH USB OUT to feed the predator or pico.
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Can you pinpoint how things changed so dramatically? Burn in? Ears adjusted?

Or are you saying the Predator DAC (only) was a big change/revelation? The Predator AMP (only) is still thin?
 
Feb 5, 2008 at 7:00 PM Post #335 of 451
I would love to have something like my iRiver H120 with a USB out. Now that would be a match made in audio heaven but using the Predator with the line out of the iRiver is still very good and greatly transportable and portable. I got a Lowpro digital camera mini case that works perfect for housing the iRiver H120 or 140 and in the front is a little pocket just right for the Predator. It makes for a perfectly fit case for both. It would also work fine for the Pico of course. It has a belt loop or shoulder strap.
 
Feb 6, 2008 at 12:43 AM Post #336 of 451
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Originally Posted by mchang /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Can you pinpoint how things changed so dramatically? Burn in? Ears adjusted?

Or are you saying the Predator DAC (only) was a big change/revelation? The Predator AMP (only) is still thin?



oh, I don't do a lot of listening(3hrs a week) honestly since I have been very busy, I even rarely replied to posts. It has been a month ago I think since I tried the DAC of predator. As far as I recalled, it was good, but not THAT GOOD. It was more on the thin and sharp harsh side. Now, it's a whole lot better.

How things can change so dramatically? I have no idea. but Ray's Amp has been infamous for that. I even noticed dramatic change with his hornet.

The point is, I'm just trying to describe what I'm hearing, but yes if it does change due to burn in, then burn-in with predator seems eternity.
 
Feb 6, 2008 at 7:20 AM Post #338 of 451
I think I'll be going with the pico, I just like the looks and since I'm a total n00b when it comes to personal audio I doubt I'll notice a difference from the predator. The fact that the pico doesn't need any burn in is a plus for me as well
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Feb 6, 2008 at 12:12 PM Post #339 of 451
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Originally Posted by LORD-eX-Bu /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I think I'll be going with the pico, I just like the looks and since I'm a total n00b when it comes to personal audio I doubt I'll notice a difference from the predator. The fact that the pico doesn't need any burn in is a plus for me as well
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Q2 (The fact that the pico doesn't need any burn in.)
 
Feb 6, 2008 at 10:55 PM Post #340 of 451
Well, now -- are those both yours? Have you formed comparative impressions? (Haven't seen your posts on such...)

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Originally Posted by MrSlacker /img/forum/go_quote.gif
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Feb 6, 2008 at 10:59 PM Post #341 of 451
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Originally Posted by Romanee /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Well, now -- are those both yours? Have you formed comparative impressions? (Haven't seen your posts on such...)


Pico on the top can't be a coincidence.
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Feb 6, 2008 at 11:09 PM Post #342 of 451
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Originally Posted by mchang /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Can you pinpoint how things changed so dramatically? Burn in? Ears adjusted?

Or are you saying the Predator DAC (only) was a big change/revelation? The Predator AMP (only) is still thin?



See post #331 above. No "ear adjustment" involved -- 1st time listen of early vs late "burn-in" units immediately reveals significant improvements with significant play time -- with and without the DAC.
 
Feb 6, 2008 at 11:11 PM Post #343 of 451
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Pico on the top can't be a coincidence.
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Now - Now - Now ... let the Slacker "speak" for himself.
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Feb 7, 2008 at 3:23 AM Post #344 of 451
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Originally Posted by Romanee /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Now - Now - Now ... let the Slacker "speak" for himself.
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Why? Andrew_WOT was on the money.
 
Feb 7, 2008 at 5:39 AM Post #345 of 451
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Originally Posted by MrSlacker /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Why? Andrew_WOT was on the money.


Ah! It speaketh -- sort of.
 

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