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Burden of proof lies on the cable pushers. I said I was skeptical. Placebos have been proven to work. There have been a large number of experiments that proove the effect of a placebo. You have to do an ABX test blind.
I can't, other than running some ABX tests. I doubt you have done one objectively. Meaning you can't see which you're using. There's no reason for copper-cableA to outperform copper-cableB. Seriously very, very little EM in this scanerio.
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Not the place to discuss ABX so I won't get into it, but there are obvious errors to the ABX testing methodology, brain gets confused with quickly changing data. I prefer listening to an entire track or even better, an entire CD before switching equipment to test and compare.
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Really? You think that EM interferes with photons on a macroscopic scale?
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With enough EMI to affect the properties of the conductor its dielectric properties, it can most definitely interfere. I was simply quoting extreme circumstances.
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Light exists as both waves and particles. No? Where were you taught?
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Something cannot exist as two different and opposing models under different scenarios, it just means that a proper model has not been constructed yet, where were you taught?
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It's not enough to deserve military grade cable shielding and braided cables. It's simply ludicrous to assume a 10ft copper wire could pick up such a large amount of EM. Cat7 can go like 500-1000ft, and it's not even that shielded.
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Military has many specs and in this case you're comparing apples to oranges - CAT7 as in used by TCP/IP protocol which follows CRC checking and allows for data-corrected CANNOT be compared to the streaming protocol of S/PDIF which offers neither.
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I have very little knowledge in "optical data communication", but I definitely understand the basic concepts of light and EM. Don't inult my intelligence.
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A little knowledge is the most dangerous thing.
I do know about data communications (one of those fun things I studied in my program - data communications, requirements for data systems, that kind of stuff
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Ya, but I'm thinking there are very, very few errors. I could see composite getting a few more, but come on.
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Not as few errors as you might thing, but complete lost packets, yes, VERY few, you'd hear it fairly clearly when it errors out; but timing errors, not as uncommon as you might think.
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I thought jitter was correctable by software?
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Not with S/PDIF, but you are most welcome to write a proper streaming protocol with data correction, one is long overdue.
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I'm simply saying that this high end cable thing is a big money grab to me, and whether or not that last little tiny bit of radiation changes the signal a teeny-tiny bit is irrelevant.
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You are welcome to believe what you want, I have a different opinion.
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What is relevant is that that reduction in interferance is perceivable, or just thought to be perceivable through the placebo effect.
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Never claimed that interference was perceived or factual, I said you were correct on there being minimal risk of interference which could be cured by a shield to an optical cable.
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Is this kind of a "you gotta have faith" sort of deals? I'm not into that.
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Don't believe in faith, believe in experience.
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I beleive that the cables won't be audibly different, that's all. We are in disagreement and it's not going to change. I think we can drop it.
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Not my place to convince you of anything, believe whatever you want, but do expect to get resistance if you make claims and try to push your point of view on others, that's why they call this a discussion forum after all.