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well they are mid recessed, very but mostly its the bass i have issues with. its just so massive. they kinda remind me of the C751 but im just not feeling the love, that bass is just over my threshold i guess
balanced???? you are joking right? these are total bass monsters. now there is nothing wrong or bad about that but lets not pretend that they anywhere near balanced
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To each his own =P. To me, their bass is just for the most part, with a bit of that midbass hump. Most things sound like the "should" sound to me. I'm almost wondering if you've accidentally turned on bass boost everytime you listen to them XD. Honestly, I've never considered myself a bass-head at all, but any less bass(overall) and I'd prolly be a bit dissapointed.
For massive bass, theres the sony XB series =P
As for balanced, you might have misread me, or I didn't make myself clear. I didn't mean to say the whole spectrum these produce is balanced, but rather that mids feel "just right" in tune with the rest of the frequencies. I suppose "life-like" as james described, is the word. They are by no means balanced in terms of actual frequency response.
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Quoting myself from the HJE900 thread, because I don't want to type the same thing all over again. It's just a question of semantics, "balanced" as in flat frequency response versus "balanced" as in lifelike frequency response. No need to get excited IMO.
Having said that, even according to the latter standard, the Panas have a somewhat U-shaped sound sig out of the box. But foam-modded they are pretty close to "lifelike balance" to my ears.
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Same stuff with balanced vs lifelike, and yes I do agree they sound quite U shaped out of the box, though I found just burning in flattened out the sound a bit. I'm also using sony hybrids, which slightly lessened the treble spike while warming up the overall sound. However, I preferred the overall sound sig of the original tips which I lost, so I have meelec UE style tips on the way, as per jokers suggestion.
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I've personally never noticed recessed mids before, or at least it's something that's never bothered me. I had the TF10 for a long time, and everyone says its mids are recessed, don't they? But this is actually distracting.
I'm not really hearing the treble I'd read about. It's nothing remarkable, anyway.
Soundstage is decent. Isolation is pathetic, to the point of being a deal breaker. It's very weird to feel like you've gotten a perfect seal on the first try, and yet you can hear a relatively quiet conversation on the other side of the room.
I will say that they look rather good, and they're very easy to wear over the ear, contra some complaints.
I have one weird issue: It seems like my plug may be bent a bit. Doesn't matter, I suppose.
That is my reply to pretty much every MTP Copper fan.
I would actually say the HJE900 has the least bothersome bass excess of any dynamic driver IEM I've yet tried. I have more general issues with it. My first thought was: There's something wrong with it. That's still my basic reaction whenever I listen to it at all analytically. It sounds to me like I've accidentally fiddled with the EQ, and everything's off. I'm someone who never touches an EQ.
Percussion seems to be this IEM's strong point, but again, the result is just weird. Listening to Massive Attack's Teardrop, the metronome is so ridiculously forward that it sounds like it's about to go solo.
...And another one bites the dust. Wonder if J&R will charge a restocking fee.
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I normally wouldn't reply, as everyone has their own ears and stuff, but this
is an appreciation thread, not a "discourage people from buying thread" =P Just would like to say that those impressions mostly go against the large majority of impressions for these. I've only seen a small amount of posts complain about the mids being recessed. I mean people have mentioned it, but nowhere nearly as much as phones like the FX500 or TF10. But of course impressions from all sides of the opinion camp are important.
Comparing them side to side to quite mid forward Thinksound Rains, quite balanced(if laid back) PX200-IIs, and warmer sounding RX700s, I don't notice a recession of mids at all anymore while A/Bing, so I don't think it's just my ears getting used to them. I'll try again when I get the meelec tips, though even with my radioshack auvio tips which should theoretically sound more similar to those than the hybrids didn't give me any mid recession problems. My FC700s definitely sound more recessed.
Oh, the default tips suck for isolation. They won't ever be super isolating, but it's not that bad. But I'm not someone who wants super isolation anyways, I like being aware of my surroundings. I can listen to them on a rush hour NYC subway with no complaints.
How long did you have them for? Your impressions somewhat resembled my initial ones, though I quickly decided to let myself get used to the different sound.
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What tips are you using? Just asking, because I remember them sounding like this at some point. Though I don't remember the tips I was using then, maybe it was foamies. Anyway, there are what seem to be tiny vent holes where the nozzle is attached to the corpus (an unusual location), just make sure you don't accidentially cover these with the tips.
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The vent thing is very true. I had issues stuffing tips with complies because of this, as often the foam would cover the holes, and the sound definitely seemed to suffer.