ulsanman
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I think hype is only relevant if you don't personally agree with what has been said and since hearing is a deeply personal experience there must , ergo, always be hype!!!
Originally Posted by TobaccoRoad /img/forum/go_quote.gif Personally, I don't think any IEMs are worth the money. I'm sure no one thinks IE8 is 10x better than CX300. I once did a school presentation on high-end headphones and my classmates thought I went mad with the money. While everyone agreed the sound was significantly better than stocks, none of them thought it was worth the price tag. The demand for high-ends are so high that companies can price it whatever they want, it's still gonna sell. And as for whether it's worth the money, I think that obviously depends on how often you listen to music. If my IEM lasted for about 3-4 years, I would say it was definitely worth the investment...did I just contradict myself? |
Originally Posted by barleyguy /img/forum/go_quote.gif Yeah, I've been thinking that the JH13 thread needs a stub warning like Wikipedia has: This thread is a stub. It does not contain any first hand information, since these IEM's have not been released yet. It will be filled in with first hand information and/or first hand hype when the product is released. |
Originally Posted by gameboy115 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I think hype can conclude to a few reason 1. The gap between middle iem and high end gap is diminishing.Sometimes middle level end could have chance to win over high end in either of the bass/ soundstage/ treble which some people prefer one over other by his taste. If you had no love to er4 as you found it lack of bass and deep low end note, you may prefer listen at IE7 instead. 2. Untrained ear. Comment based on personal taste rather than what it is right. That is nothing wrong as musics is personal joy. Some one love bloated bass.The worst match is you believe to the wrong people reivew which have totally different taste with you, then pull the trigger. 3. Brun in effect. No one can ensure each IEM would head to same way after burn in. 4. Right tips and a get a decent seal, without that, even the greatest IEM in world sounds thin and unnatural. For me, it often take a few days to find a best spot, I know people may give up before that. |
Originally Posted by Zalithian /img/forum/go_quote.gif I'm not really sure what your point is at the moment. I think you nullified any point you may have had by yourself. Buying expensive IEMS is no different than buying an expensive cell phone or buying a big plasma tv. Whether or not the item is worth the price tag is always dependent on a multitude of factors, with the primary factor being how often the product is used. Now, a 62 inch HDTV may cost 4x more than a 32 inch non-hd tv, but for most people it's not worth paying $2000 instead of $500. Note that these prices are arbitrary and merely being used to illustrate my point. I feel this is somewhat of a pointless discussion. Is it really news that people who listen to music often or are passionate about it are willing to pay more for a medium to deliver the music to them? How is that different than someone who watches a lot of TV feeling it's okay to spend $2000 on a huge tv, or someone who plays video games buying a $400 video card? I honestly don't feel this thread began as ill intentioned, however it was a topic which really had no way to go but down. |
Originally Posted by soozieq /img/forum/go_quote.gif You're right. I should have said it was hype to me. Of course it wouldn't be hype to anyone else who thought they were in the same league as the W3. |
Originally Posted by TobaccoRoad /img/forum/go_quote.gif Personally, I don't think any IEMs are worth the money. I'm sure no one thinks IE8 is 10x better than CX300. I once did a school presentation on high-end headphones and my classmates thought I went mad with the money. While everyone agreed the sound was significantly better than stocks, none of them thought it was worth the price tag. The demand for high-ends are so high that companies can price it whatever they want, it's still gonna sell. And as for whether it's worth the money, I think that obviously depends on how often you listen to music. If my IEM lasted for about 3-4 years, I would say it was definitely worth the investment...did I just contradict myself? |
Originally Posted by tstarn06 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I agree. It was a doomed ship from the start, and we were dumb enough to board. The heck with hype, it's a much to esoteric (and unresolvable) topic. Now, I just got this new pair of $25 IEMs, and you won't believe ... |
Originally Posted by average_joe /img/forum/go_quote.gif Actually, from what I recall, there is first hand info from people that heard the universal version at Can Jam. Not that it is an accurate reflection of the final product, and not that people aren't excited. They seem to be. Are some people taking it to far, well, yes, as is typical anywhere with anything. People did get on the OP about the thread being an appreication thread without owning them. I agree, but am not sure exactly what you mean with #3. Another way to say #1 is preferred sound signature, and another way to say #2 is perception. And I think #4 is so so important. Here are some more: 5. Source music and components. Different genres, bit rates, and source components will change what people think of certain headphones. I did not think my IE8 sounded good from the HiFiMan 801 DAP via the E+, way too bassy with the bass boost off. 6. Ear/brain differences. Even with all things being the same, some people will just plain hear things differently. And extreme example would be someone that has high end hearing loss might not think a headphone sounds dark because that is how they all sound to that person. It is a different sense, but my wife and I can't agree on some of the weird colors of my dress shirts, is it brown or green? Is it tan or grey? And then put it in a different type of light and the color looks different. 7. Volume level. My IEMs sound more dynamic when I turn the volume up and I can get more into the music. But I normally listen at lower volumes (IMO the IE8 does a great job of maintaining it's sound at lower volumes than my other IEMs). So if I hear one headphone at one volume level and compare it to another headphone at another volume level, I will be comparing apples to oranges. 8. Writing/reading vocabulary, comprehension, and context. Not the same across a nationality, much less the multinational population on here. I can say soundstage and someone will think headstage. It is hard to tell if someone is sarcastic on here because we don't have the verbal and facial clues. How excited is someone really? Is the poster just a positive person that always has something good to say, or are they bitter with hate and will over exaggerate the bad? Hard to tell. 9. Memory. How did that really sound when I heard it a day ago, a week ago, a month ago. Hard to remember (harder for some than others), plus when people do refer to HPs they have not heard and are regurgitating what others have said, do they really remember the correct info? Feel free to add anything that was left out. So, there are many factors that can make my experience much different than yours, and there could be a bunch lost in translation. Hype? I don't think people come here to hype things for the most part (except voltage) unless they are shills. There are plenty of great reasons posted as to why certain groups would hype things, possibly even unknowingly (or not their intention). But then how can we really know. |
Originally Posted by gameboy115 /img/forum/go_quote.gif My pt 4 is coming from what I read at other forum, people said even same IEM could differ after using different vol, music to burn in. I think no one could prove this unless you have a lot of money to buy 3 pair same IEM for testing |
Originally Posted by shigzeo /img/forum/go_quote.gif Yes, Monster, one of Headfi's least favourite companies outed a great earphone: Monster Turbine. They have heaps of competition from higher and lower priced products but outperform many of my former favourites. Why? The bass does not have the typical bleed that is characteristic of underdriven dynamic phones. It remains nimble in the treble and technical and clean in the mids. At 150$ there is no inner earphone that to my knowledge is housed completely in high quality metals: brass and aluminium. Everything about the phone reeks of quality with the exception of strain reliefs on the headphone jack and an overly energetic cable that needs restrainers to stay quiet. Sound = Fab Looks = Fab but bordering on bling Packaging = Unequalled this side of 300$ Are they the best? I don't think anyone expects them to be the best, but for an engaging listen that is non-fatiguing yet detailed and lively, I am unconvinced that for the price, there is a better phone on the market. I hope this thread will pick up steam as these phones deserve a dedicated thread that is not timid because of the Monster name. Thank you Monster for making such a great earphone! Please send me links to reviews that you have found to be helpful and I will try to update this title thread with those reviews. |