[Hiltonk]

Cups supposed to swivel 360 degrees on these..? Anyone find they have a gap down and behind to the cheekbone due to lack of counter-pressure like the old DxK cans headband design ?

No problem with fitment here.. No they dont swivel more than about 35 degrees inward at the front and less than 5 degrees out. Very comfortable fit and reliable seal for me.

 

[Hiltonk]

Santa came early!

Wild Ziricote - Wild Chechen - Black Limba - Flame Marbled Walnut

Time to listen!!!!!!

 

[Hiltonk]

Initial impressions of Wild Chechen...

Definitely fatter sub bass at 30-50hz and fuller bass around 80hz.
Still tight and fast sounding, not much difference in midrange and treble detected.

hmmmm. might have fixed the occassional sibilance around 6-8k! More listening required....

 

[Hiltonk]

Just WOW WOW WOW... amazing in every way....

The fit and finish is spectacular!
The sound seems tighter but also deeper and fatter and also smoother in the upper midrage and lower treble where the stock TH610's have a tendancy to be siblant on some brightly recorded tracks.

The sparkle, air, separation, width and staging is there and even sweeter since the edge has been just so slightly taken away at around 5-6k.

Im my opinion this has made the TH610 the perfect headphones with the Wild Chechen. Not sure how I'm going to go with the others since this has spoilt me now I think!

The bass is just sooo good, just sounds like a really good fat dynamic and fast kick that you get in a good live gig in a small/medium room with warm and tight bass from bass guitar.

Listening to everything from Glitterbox EDM night club stuff, to Steely Dan Gaucho, Tracy Chapman Baby Can I Hold You - nice bass.. Super Tramp Still in Love...

And Hoff Ensemble - Polarity... WOW - feels like im in the room with that beautiful double bass and Piano!

Hoff Ensemble - Polarity by Hilton, on Flickr

 

[Hiltonk]

YUM

Wild Chechen TH610 Lawton Cups by Hilton, on Flickr

 

[Hiltonk]

Youtube video of Wild Chechen to Black Limba change over inbound...

Black Limba only a subtle difference in sound so far but definitely a little warmer sounding in the 70- 120hz region... No sign of sibilance.

Lawton Black Limba TH610 by Hilton, on Flickr

Lawton Black Limba TH610 by Hilton, on Flickr

 

[Hiltonk]

Youtube video of Wild Chechen to Black Limba Lawton Chamber Changeover on TH610.
1080p is up - 4K is up!

 

[Hiltonk]

Just some insight to the cup design from Mark - I'm sure he wont mind me sharing his thoughts on my question... How did you decide on the size of the cups??? to which he replied.. (that I agree with completely)

"Myself, I feel one can only obtain just so much info from measurements, the real test is listening.

Rather than just making a copy of the original cups, we wanted to make as many improvements as possible to the design.

Cups serve a purpose, acting as a combination of speaker cabinet and body of a musical instrument.

If you treat them seriously this way, you can get a lot more out of the headphone itself.

We are on the second generation of our cups, original versions (2008-2011) were also deeper than stock cups and were an excellent upgrade.

Ultimately, with some very sophisticated new equipment providing almost total control, we were able to do everything we ever wanted in terms of perfecting the shape inside and out, getting wall thicknesses to taper just right, etc.

Development of the current generation was extended, many forms/shapes were tried before we reached the shape you now see.

I may be in minority, but I genuinely prefer closed to open headphones, all other things being equal.

But the catch always is reduction of soundstage size and a bit of a reverberant “sea shell” effect.

Bigger cups with correct internal volume and shape really help push the soundstage out.

We use a small piece of acoustic foam inside the cups which helps prevent some of the internal reflections which also helps the enclosure disappear a bit.

Customers are constantly surprised at what a difference cups can make.

Enjoy!

Mark Lawton"

 

[Hiltonk]

Wild Ziricote Type 5 Lawton Cup..... VERY different

Much less bass overall and what's there is super tight and extends low. More forward mid range and top end - much more vocal oriented. No sharpness in treble but definitely brighter but not too bright.

So far favourites are Wild Chechen (Type 4) followed by Black Limba (Type 1). Black Limba was much much warmer and fuller sounding. More listening to be done!

TH610_Wild_Ziricote_Lawton_Cups by Hilton, on Flickr

TH610_Wild_Ziricote_Lawton_Cups by Hilton, on Flickr

TH610_Wild_Ziricote_Lawton_Cups by Hilton, on Flickr

TH610_Wild_Ziricote_Lawton_Cups by Hilton, on Flickr

 

[Shane D]

Wild Ziricote Type 5 Lawton Cup..... VERY different

Much less bass overall and what's there is super tight and extends low. More forward mid range and top end - much more vocal oriented. No sharpness in treble but definitely brighter but not too bright.

So far favourites are Wild Chechen (Type 4) followed by Black Limba (Type 1). Black Limba was much much warmer and fuller sounding. More listening to be done!

TH610_Wild_Ziricote_Lawton_Cups by Hilton, on Flickr

TH610_Wild_Ziricote_Lawton_Cups by Hilton, on Flickr

TH610_Wild_Ziricote_Lawton_Cups by Hilton, on Flickr

TH610_Wild_Ziricote_Lawton_Cups by Hilton, on Flickr

Very interesting and they are beautiful. I am very curious about 3 and 4. I love vocals, but I do want a strong, sharp bass.

 

[Hiltonk]

TH610 swapped over to Flame Marble Walnut Lawton Cups..

Ahhh thats better - a bit of warmth has come back as well as punch and depth to the bass. Very nice.

TH610_Flame_Marble_Walnut_Lawton_Cups by Hilton, on Flickr

TH610_Flame_Marble_Walnut_Lawton_Cups by Hilton, on Flickr

TH610_Flame_Marble_Walnut_Lawton_Cups by Hilton, on Flickr

TH610_Flame_Marble_Walnut_Lawton_Cups by Hilton, on Flickr

 

[Hiltonk]

Stock TH610 Walnut Cups - 1.4oz / 41grams - Type 1 - Janka Hardness 1010
LAWTON_Cup_Weights by Hilton, on Flickr

LAWTON_Cup_Weights by Hilton, on Flickr

Lawton Black Limba Cups - 2.3oz / 65grams - Type 1 - Janka Hardness 490 > 840
LAWTON_Cup_Weights by Hilton, on Flickr

LAWTON_Cup_Weights by Hilton, on Flickr

Lawton Flame Marbled Walnut - 2.4oz / 69grams - Type 1 - Janka Hardness 1010
LAWTON_Cup_Weights by Hilton, on Flickr

LAWTON_Cup_Weights by Hilton, on Flickr

Lawton Wild Chechen - 3.4oz / 95grams - Type 4 - Janka Hardness 2250 > 2300
LAWTON_Cup_Weights by Hilton, on Flickr

LAWTON_Cup_Weights by Hilton, on Flickr

Lawton Wild Ziricote - 4.1oz / 115grams - Type 5 - Janka Hardness 1970 > 2200
LAWTON_Cup_Weights by Hilton, on Flickr

LAWTON_Cup_Weights by Hilton, on Flickr

 

[Hiltonk]

Wild Chechen Type 4 definitely my favourite overall for refinement and versatility.
Tighter bass that extends low, still has good impact and force and a nice timbre and not boomy.

Sweet top end that shimmers but doesnt bite and still extends nicely.

Mid range is forward and full but not in your face.
Just my perfect kinda headphones!

Was listening back to back with Flame Marbled Walnut / Wild Chechen and the Walnut has a nice warmth but with double bass in Jazz it can be a little fuzzy sounding, while the Wild Chechen just sounds natural and full with great impact and articulation with just the right amount of warmth.
(Diana Krall - Look of Love & also Jeff Hamilton Treo - Live from San Pedro)

The walnut is great with dance and rock and just about everything else but the Wild Chechen has got me.

 

[Shane D]

Stock TH610 Walnut Cups - 1.4oz / 41grams - Type 1 - Janka Hardness 1010
LAWTON_Cup_Weights by Hilton, on Flickr

LAWTON_Cup_Weights by Hilton, on Flickr

Lawton Black Limba Cups - 2.3oz / 65grams - Type 1 - Janka Hardness 490 > 840
LAWTON_Cup_Weights by Hilton, on Flickr

LAWTON_Cup_Weights by Hilton, on Flickr

Lawton Flame Marbled Walnut - 2.4oz / 69grams - Type 1 - Janka Hardness 1010
LAWTON_Cup_Weights by Hilton, on Flickr

LAWTON_Cup_Weights by Hilton, on Flickr

Lawton Wild Chechen - 3.4oz / 95grams - Type 4 - Janka Hardness 2250 > 2300
LAWTON_Cup_Weights by Hilton, on Flickr

LAWTON_Cup_Weights by Hilton, on Flickr

Lawton Wild Ziricote - 4.1oz / 115grams - Type 5 - Janka Hardness 1970 > 2200
LAWTON_Cup_Weights by Hilton, on Flickr

LAWTON_Cup_Weights by Hilton, on Flickr

Excellent info! Thanks.
Falls under stuff I never knew that I needed to know.

 

[Hiltonk]

I've been using the Black Limba all day today and am really enjoying them.

Something I've noticed is the treble and upper midrange is slightly more gentle on the Black Limba. The Wild Chechen has a slightly harder edge to it so the Black Limba is very nice and punchy and warm but without the edgyness.

https://tidal.com/browse/track/91916863