New Dragonfly Black and Red Discussion

[SpiderNhan]

I get that. Where im confused is when i start uapp renderer it says you must be on wifi for other apps to see it. If thats the case, then thia is no hood say in a car, or places without wifi. When i use bubbleup as a renderer and select it through the uapp app, i have access to the hardware volume. But you're saying rgat Android is processing the data before uapp picks it up? Are you able to see uapp as a renderer when not on wifi?

I'm using a Galaxy S6 Active running Marshmallow 6.0.1 so maybe different phones and different builds of Android work... differently. The only way I get Hardware Volume to work is by going through the steps I outlined in an earlier posting.
 
1) Connect Dragonfly
2) Allow USB Audio Player Pro to access device
3) Press the 3 dot menu and select "Start UPnP renderer"
4) Open BubbleUPnP
5) Select UAPP as local renderer
 
The first time I tried BubbleUPnP I did it like this:
 
1) Open BubbleUPnP
2) Open UAPP
3) Press the 3 dot menu and select "Start UPnP renderer"
4) Select UAPP as renderer
5) Connect Dragonfly
 
Using the 2nd method I do not have access to Hardware Volume and audio is first routed through Android before being sent to the DAC.
 
As for the wifi issue, I had no trouble getting Bubble and UAPP to work without a wifi connection.

 

[JoeDoe]

New owner checking in.

Got a nice deal on a new DFR as the wife and I drive to Orlando for our first wedding anniversary.

Running it from my iPhone 6s into my Trinity deltas. Loving the detail retrieval and low end texture this little guy provides. I had the original dragonfly a few years ago and this is a great improvement. Far less digital sounding than before. Thanks AQ!

EDIT: getting a few soft pops here and there. Using the apple cck with native music player. What gives?

 

[Devodonaldson]

Okay, i had to pay for two apps, but loving the inplementation of UAPP AND BUBBLEUPNP. Using UAPP as the renderer and Bubbleupnp as the main app, with its better layout/access and integration of Tidal and google play music or cloud storage. Awesome!

 

[TAREKFOUAD1]

Just got my DFR wow i really can compared with my Gungnir DAC, same SQ,im using it with jitter to Sony XBA-A3 and V10 and PC too. work good with onkyo player and Neutron. Very low volume with UAPP dont know why.
 
Very power full amp very good DAC.
 
Thank you Head-Fi

 

[TheEldestBoy]

We all have different ears. So don't take my opinion as fact, and if you can, try this combo yourself to make a decision.

I find it a good combination, however not great with some music. Voices are a bit too "shouty" for my opinion when I listen to HD600 with the Red.

But I have pretty sensitive hearing towards the higher frequencies I guess. That's why I don't like the sound signature of AKG Q701, for example. And that's a headphone a lot of people like. It sounds kinda lifeless to me as well. HD600 and HD650 have a depth and emotion to them which the Q701 don't.

I like the HD650 the most out of my headphones with my Dragonfly Red. I would still like to soften the sound a bit with a tube amplifier, which I will try when I visit my parents. My dad makes amps as a hobby.

 
Thanks for the reply.  I'm actually a bit sensitive to higher frequencies as well, so I'll need to keep this in mind.  
 
 
I'm also considering the Peachtree SHIFT to pair with the HD 600's.
Take a look:

1. http://www.peachtreeaudio.com/shift.html

 
 
 
 

 

[waveSounds]

 

[WhiteNoises]

Thanks for the reply.  I'm actually a bit sensitive to higher frequencies as well, so I'll need to keep this in mind.  


I'm also considering the Peachtree SHIFT to pair with the HD 600's.
Take a look:

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It uses the Sabre DAC chip, likely the exact same one as in Dragonfly Red. They included support for higher resolutions though. But as it needs its own battery the amp must be different. Definitely more powerful, right?

Would be interesting to have someone compare the two.

 

[SpiderNhan]

Very low volume with UAPP dont know why.

Under the 3 dot menu find Hardware Volume and move the slider up.

 

[TheEldestBoy]

It uses the Sabre DAC chip, likely the exact same one as in Dragonfly Red. They included support for higher resolutions though. But as it needs its own battery the amp must be different. Definitely more powerful, right?

Would be interesting to have someone compare the two.

 
I may be wrong, but I'm assuming that the amp in the SHIFT is more powerful than the DFR.
I know that the amp in the SHIFT is more powerful than the one in the OPPO HA-2 (specifically for driving phones that are 300 Ohms).
 
See below...
 
 
DAC
 
It looks to me like the DAC chip in the Dragonfly Red (9016) is better than the one on the Peachtree SHIFT (9010), but not as good as the one in the OPPO HA-2 (9018).
 
How much of a difference are we actually going to hear though when comparing these 3 chips?
 
 
--- The OPPO HA-2 uses the SABRE ES9018-K2M DAC chip
http://www.esstech.com/index.php/en/products/sabre-digital-analog-converters/audiophile-dacs/classic-sabre-8-channel-dacs/es9018/

--- The Peachtree shift uses the SABRE ES9010-K2M DAC chip
http://www.esstech.com/index.php/en/products/sabre-digital-analog-converters/sabre-hifi-mobile-dacs/sabre-hifi-stereo-dacs/es9010k2m/

 
 
AMP
 
HA-2:
 
300 mW into 16 Ohm
220 mW into 32 Ohm
30 mW into 300 Ohm
 
SHIFT:
 
230 mW into 16 Ohm
136 mW into 32 Ohm
65 mW into 300 Ohm

 

[0rangutan]

The chip alone doesn't dictate better sound quality - its implementation is really important.
The DFB sounds better than the HA-2 to my ears.

 

[brent75]

The chip alone doesn't dictate better sound quality - its implementation is really important.
The DFB sounds better than the HA-2 to my ears.

+1
 
I had the HA-2 first, and auditioned it extensively for about a month. I found it too harsh/sterile in the upper registers and lacking some bass (unless bass boost was switched on, which I wasn't a fan of doing).
 
I moved onto the DFR and have not looked back. To me it sounds much better in the high end as well as the low end. It's like Mojo in that it doesn't have a bass boost because it doesn't need one.

 

[TAREKFOUAD1]

Under the 3 dot menu find Hardware Volume and move the slider up.

I did but... really donno whay with onkyou and Neutron the sound very loud.
Thank you for reply. 

 

[Devodonaldson]

Just got my DFR wow i really can compared with my Gungnir DAC, same SQ,im using it with jitter to Sony XBA-A3 and V10 and PC too. work good with onkyo player and Neutron. Very low volume with UAPP dont know why.

Very power full amp very good DAC.

Thank you Head-Fi

If uoure getting low volume, check both the hardware and software volume settings. It gets plenty loud on Android

 

[TAREKFOUAD1]

If uoure getting low volume, check both the hardware and software volume settings. It gets plenty loud on Android

Booth at maximum i check that, maybe i will reinstall and i will see.  
Thanks Devodonaldson

 

[TheEldestBoy]

  +1
 
I had the HA-2 first, and auditioned it extensively for about a month. I found it too harsh/sterile in the upper registers and lacking some bass (unless bass boost was switched on, which I wasn't a fan of doing).
 
I moved onto the DFR and have not looked back. To me it sounds much better in the high end as well as the low end. It's like Mojo in that it doesn't have a bass boost because it doesn't need one.

 
 
Very interesting; a number of people are saying that the DFR sounds better than the OPPO HA-2.
 
Which has the more powerful AMP?  I'm wanting to pair one of these with the Sennheiser HD600s.