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i'm not suggesting that it isn't
New, Burson Conductor 3 Reference: Dual 9038 DAC, 7.5Wpc Head Amp, Preamp, Changeable Opamps
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i wouldn't know about that. i'm just relaying what he told me.
raoultrifan
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HK, I guessm r
Most likely HK, not CH, but that's something that happens in all non-Asian companies when they're lunching a new product in several hundreds batches. This is due to the lack of PCB manufacturing and soldering automated machines in that specific continent, and not to the manufacturer/designer company.
I'm going to explain a short story here: there's this friend of mine that was working as a technical engineer for an European company, providing support for huge machines that were implementing integrated chips, PCBs, automated soldering etc.. After 10 years of travelling to Asia, because 100% of those machines were located in Asia, not in Europe, he left the company, mostly because of his family that was living in Europe. What I'm trying to say is that if you want to do several hundred of PCB's per day you simply don't find in your continent such a machine to help you out fast enough, so you'll need to externalize this. Not sure if that's the case of Burson Audio, but this might be the case. Maybe they build small batches inside Australia, from head to tail, but maybe for bigger batches they're using machines from Asia...who knows...I personally don't care as long as the final works looks absolutely neat and perfect.
In the end all it matters is the final warranty, and from what I've seen here on Head-Fi, Burson Audio seems to be the only company I've heard that is RMA'ing internal parts and power adapters without even requesting its customers to send back the defective product (not sure this applies to all RMAs, but for sure it applies to blown chips or evident PCB or electronics issue), really expensive for the customers, given that most are from different continents. I would love Google and others to learn from how Burson deals in resolving RMA, because my Chromecast died in the first minutes, just after the first firmware upgrade; sending it back to US makes no sense to me, because the 2-way shipping will cost me twice the product itself.
Most likely HK, not CH, but that's something that happens in all non-Asian companies when they're lunching a new product in several hundreds batches. This is due to the lack of PCB manufacturing and soldering automated machines in that specific continent, and not to the manufacturer/designer company.
I'm going to explain a short story here: there's this friend of mine that was working as a technical engineer for an European company, providing support for huge machines that were implementing integrated chips, PCBs, automated soldering etc.. After 10 years of travelling to Asia, because 100% of those machines were located in Asia, not in Europe, he left the company, mostly because of his family that was living in Europe. What I'm trying to say is that if you want to do several hundred of PCB's per day you simply don't find in your continent such a machine to help you out fast enough, so you'll need to externalize this. Not sure if that's the case of Burson Audio, but this might be the case. Maybe they build small batches inside Australia, from head to tail, but maybe for bigger batches they're using machines from Asia...who knows...I personally don't care as long as the final works looks absolutely neat and perfect.
In the end all it matters is the final warranty, and from what I've seen here on Head-Fi, Burson Audio seems to be the only company I've heard that is RMA'ing internal parts and power adapters without even requesting its customers to send back the defective product (not sure this applies to all RMAs, but for sure it applies to blown chips or evident PCB or electronics issue), really expensive for the customers, given that most are from different continents. I would love Google and others to learn from how Burson deals in resolving RMA, because my Chromecast died in the first minutes, just after the first firmware upgrade; sending it back to US makes no sense to me, because the 2-way shipping will cost me twice the product itself.
I believe you
@raoultrifan i believe in the past part of production in australia. I think new concept line like play family and conductor v3 are built in china. Otherwise it is impossible this level of prices
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Hello,
I've been reading here in the forum for a while now and have registered, because there is not so much to read about the Conductor 3 Ref in German forums yet, respectively it's not discussed.
I got my C3 today and am happy to show you the first custom pictures, unfortunately only at my workplace.
I've been reading here in the forum for a while now and have registered, because there is not so much to read about the Conductor 3 Ref in German forums yet, respectively it's not discussed.
I got my C3 today and am happy to show you the first custom pictures, unfortunately only at my workplace.
raoultrifan
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Welcome to Head-Fi and glad to see the first headfier owner of a C3-Ref. combo.
I know about the existence of http://www.hifi-forum.de/, but of course I don't know what they're talking about there.
At your workplace you say? What do you mean? You should not sleep tonight and test this baby with all the headphones you have; entire Head-Fi community is waiting for your first thoughts.
However, take your time and a big breath and let us know how it sound.
Thank you,
Raul.
I know about the existence of http://www.hifi-forum.de/, but of course I don't know what they're talking about there.
At your workplace you say? What do you mean? You should not sleep tonight and test this baby with all the headphones you have; entire Head-Fi community is waiting for your first thoughts.
However, take your time and a big breath and let us know how it sound.
Thank you,
Raul.
Hello, Raoul,
of course I know the hifi-forum, but Burson isn't discussed so regularly here.
I am really a very happy person today.
My working day started with driving into my company's parking lot with the FedEx employee and knowing that my parcel was on its way, I had to get out of the car smiling. I've actually been waiting for the CV3 since the beginning of this year and imported a Playmate Everest to bridge the gap.
Since I only used a DIY headamp without DAC before the Playmate, I can only compare the CV3 with this one, even if the comparison here is a bit limp...
My first thoughts about the CV3:
I imagined the CV3 to be a bit smaller based on the pictures. Alex von Burson had given me the measurements and pictures in advance and put them in relation to the CV2, but since I don't own it, I was a bit surprised. The workmanship is flawless and the material appearance is very high quality. The new case scores very well due to its narrower lines. By this I mean both the less pronounced front, which is additionally rounded, and the fins of the case, which are used for better heat dissipation. The "industrial" look of the amplifier has once again increased its value and I like it very much, both on its own and on my desk. I would be interested to know how it looks on a hifi rack, because here I personally see the look of the CV2 a bit ahead due to its clear and straight construction. Since I will use the amplifier exclusively on the computer, I am very happy about the new case.
My setup:
As I said, I operate the CV3 exclusively on the computer and therefore directly via USB.
As headphones I use an Audeze LCD-XC.
In general:
I'm certainly a very bad first owner, because I don't have a large selection of headphones to listen to, nor do I have a special taste in music. I started my studies with a self-made amp and a Bayerdynamic DT770 250Ohm (which was a lot of money for me about 10 years ago) and am very happy that I could improve my signal chain (LCD-XC already last year) bit by bit.
Sound impression:
It's positive that the CV3 doesn't have any background noise. Sometimes, like right now, I just wear my closed headphones so I can concentrate better when my girlfriend sees Tv in the same room.
Then it becomes obvious that the output power of the CV3 is a bit higher compared to the Playmate. When I heard Playmate at level 20 (Windows 100%), I had to lower the CV3 to level 10 and Windows 90%.
Also the CV3 doesn't get as warm on the case as the Playmate did. Here the optimized heat dissipation and the larger surface seem to work well.
I just listened to the test for a few hours. From Rapsongs over live Rap battles to Rock, Popsongs and Classic (Orchestra, Piano, etc.) everything was there.
In a direct comparison I would like to say that the CV3 sounds a whole step more dynamic and above all more powerful than the Playmate. The stage is outstanding!! Every single instrument is perfectly represented and can be assigned perfectly on stage. Just now I heard a rattle in the background and had to grin again...
Even if I am very satisfied, I am looking forward to further impressions and the first test reports.
If you have any questions, I will gladly try to answer them.
edit:
I still have a supplement.
The CV3 has two outputs, which have already been discussed here. Since I currently have a Mr Speaker Ether Flow closed 1.1 for rehearsal here, I was able to show my girlfriend perfectly that there are differences in headphones.
We plugged in both the headphones (LCD-XC and Mr Speaker Ether Flow 1.1) and the last song (Armin van Buuren - Blah Blah Blah) which I listened to as an A/B test alternating with both headphones.
Where the Mr. Speaker sounded completely lifeless, the LCD-XC could play its whole class and was much more present and took up much more space.
Certainly another topic but I had a positive experience with the second exit right on the first evening!
of course I know the hifi-forum, but Burson isn't discussed so regularly here.
I am really a very happy person today.
My working day started with driving into my company's parking lot with the FedEx employee and knowing that my parcel was on its way, I had to get out of the car smiling. I've actually been waiting for the CV3 since the beginning of this year and imported a Playmate Everest to bridge the gap.
Since I only used a DIY headamp without DAC before the Playmate, I can only compare the CV3 with this one, even if the comparison here is a bit limp...
My first thoughts about the CV3:
I imagined the CV3 to be a bit smaller based on the pictures. Alex von Burson had given me the measurements and pictures in advance and put them in relation to the CV2, but since I don't own it, I was a bit surprised. The workmanship is flawless and the material appearance is very high quality. The new case scores very well due to its narrower lines. By this I mean both the less pronounced front, which is additionally rounded, and the fins of the case, which are used for better heat dissipation. The "industrial" look of the amplifier has once again increased its value and I like it very much, both on its own and on my desk. I would be interested to know how it looks on a hifi rack, because here I personally see the look of the CV2 a bit ahead due to its clear and straight construction. Since I will use the amplifier exclusively on the computer, I am very happy about the new case.
My setup:
As I said, I operate the CV3 exclusively on the computer and therefore directly via USB.
As headphones I use an Audeze LCD-XC.
In general:
I'm certainly a very bad first owner, because I don't have a large selection of headphones to listen to, nor do I have a special taste in music. I started my studies with a self-made amp and a Bayerdynamic DT770 250Ohm (which was a lot of money for me about 10 years ago) and am very happy that I could improve my signal chain (LCD-XC already last year) bit by bit.
Sound impression:
It's positive that the CV3 doesn't have any background noise. Sometimes, like right now, I just wear my closed headphones so I can concentrate better when my girlfriend sees Tv in the same room.
Then it becomes obvious that the output power of the CV3 is a bit higher compared to the Playmate. When I heard Playmate at level 20 (Windows 100%), I had to lower the CV3 to level 10 and Windows 90%.
Also the CV3 doesn't get as warm on the case as the Playmate did. Here the optimized heat dissipation and the larger surface seem to work well.
I just listened to the test for a few hours. From Rapsongs over live Rap battles to Rock, Popsongs and Classic (Orchestra, Piano, etc.) everything was there.
In a direct comparison I would like to say that the CV3 sounds a whole step more dynamic and above all more powerful than the Playmate. The stage is outstanding!! Every single instrument is perfectly represented and can be assigned perfectly on stage. Just now I heard a rattle in the background and had to grin again...
Even if I am very satisfied, I am looking forward to further impressions and the first test reports.
If you have any questions, I will gladly try to answer them.
edit:
I still have a supplement.
The CV3 has two outputs, which have already been discussed here. Since I currently have a Mr Speaker Ether Flow closed 1.1 for rehearsal here, I was able to show my girlfriend perfectly that there are differences in headphones.
We plugged in both the headphones (LCD-XC and Mr Speaker Ether Flow 1.1) and the last song (Armin van Buuren - Blah Blah Blah) which I listened to as an A/B test alternating with both headphones.
Where the Mr. Speaker sounded completely lifeless, the LCD-XC could play its whole class and was much more present and took up much more space.
Certainly another topic but I had a positive experience with the second exit right on the first evening!
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andrewjamesdean
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From the pictures I can see the two RCA inputs, and the optical toslink (with the black plug in it), but what is the port above that? Looks like a digital coax, but that's not listed in the specs. And is the USB input a USB-C?
Mine is coming this Friday. The tracking from FedEx say it's shipped from Hong Kong.
raoultrifan
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It seems to be USB-C there on the backside, but I'm sure the other end of the cable is a full-size USB-A plug.
It looks like optical and COAX for sure, good observation. Waiting for @Anvahi to double check and confirm.
Isn't there a gain adjust option within the menus?
You're absolutely right.
Included in delivery is a USB C/A adapter with which you can connect the amplifier to the PC.
Recognized again.
No, the setting options are kept to a minimum. It is the same menu as it was with the Playmate.
When I find some time later, I'll take some detail pictures.
raoultrifan
Headphoneus Supremus
Playmate has gain-adjust option within the menu.
These are Playmates Menu Items which i think are the same on the CV3.
Do u mean HP Output? While testing i havent changed the settings so the default "high" was set for both Headphones.
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HP output means Gain.
In Playmate High Gain drives very well every king of headphones, no matter of their impedance.
There is more dynamic, speed and bass control.
In Playmate High Gain drives very well every king of headphones, no matter of their impedance.
There is more dynamic, speed and bass control.
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