New Beyerdynamic T1 (2nd Generation)

[SHAMuuu]

The Telsa driver tuned like the HD 600 would be the ultimate German can. But there is one better driver than the Tesla from Beyer as we both know all too well.

Those magic drivers are not popping up as much anymore, and seems no one talks about them at all. I also rarely mention it LOL

But I still often use the DT480 to listen to new albums first. Then I will put on Sennheiser (580 FPBP/660S) or Tesla (t5p.ii)

One sad thing is, the QC on the dt150 pads have gone downhill. I've had issues with some over the years tearing.

And the velour on the dt100 pads are itchy like old dt440 pads.

Yeah which is a reason why I think I should have the DT 990 Pro

After listening to some modern Beyer like Amiron and t5p.ii, the 990 pro is painful. I think since i've been accustomed to the warmer signatures of 6 series and newer Beyer, the 990 is a bit sharp, also with pro clamp. Whereas the 880 edition with looser clamp and double filter over driver is tolerable.

I will say the greatest thing about the t1/t5p is the dual cable over those single entry 770.880.990, especially the coiled ones which are so heavy/annoying

I remember HD800 well too. Although the wow factor with these was there (spacious monsters), it's the HD600 I keep getting back to.

The 6 series is fun to take apart and put back together. Since no soldering. My soldering skills are how you say .... inelegant. It looks so easy on youtube! You would think other companies would try and emulate what Sennheiser did like what... 30 years ago.

 

[kman1211]

Those magic drivers are not popping up as much anymore, and seems no one talks about them at all. I also rarely mention it LOL

But I still often use the DT480 to listen to new albums first. Then I will put on Sennheiser (580 FPBP/660S) or Tesla (t5p.ii)

One sad thing is, the QC on the dt150 pads have gone downhill. I've had issues with some over the years tearing.

And the velour on the dt100 pads are itchy like old dt440 pads.



After listening to some modern Beyer like Amiron and t5p.ii, the 990 pro is painful. I think since i've been accustomed to the warmer signatures of 6 series and newer Beyer, the 990 is a bit sharp, also with pro clamp. Whereas the 880 edition with looser clamp and double filter over driver is tolerable.

I will say the greatest thing about the t1/t5p is the dual cable over those single entry 770.880.990, especially the coiled ones which are so heavy/annoying



The 6 series is fun to take apart and put back together. Since no soldering. My soldering skills are how you say .... inelegant. It looks so easy on youtube! You would think other companies would try and emulate what Sennheiser did like what... 30 years ago.

Sadly that is true and a lot more expensive than they used to be, there are some that talk about it but not many anymore. Sadly a relic of the past and an instance of the saying "They don't make them like they used to".

That is one thing I am worried about, the teslas make the old DT Beyers sound overly sharp despite many Tesla's having a big spike in the treble, the Tesla's just handle treble differently. The T1.2 and the Amiron definitely do have a noticeable spike in the treble but it never irritated me and bothered me less with more use. I am curious is the 80 Ohm variant of the DT 990 Pro is tamer in the highs or not but no idea, can't seem to find comparisons of the 80 Ohm vs 250 Ohm.

The HD 6xx series has one of the best modular designs on the market as it requires no tools and you just snap it apart, so simple yet sad so many others don't have anything like this. There are other very modular and easily serviceable headphones but many do require soldering and headphones that can have drivers replaced without soldering seem pretty rare. The Amiron Home and DT 1770/1990 are some. The Nighthawk/Nightowl were some. I believe the R70x is one as well but haven't confirmed that.

 

[SHAMuuu]

Sadly that is true and a lot more expensive than they used to be, there are some that talk about it but not many anymore. Sadly a relic of the past and an instance of the saying "They don't make them like they used to".

That is one thing I am worried about, the teslas make the old DT Beyers sound overly sharp despite many Tesla's having a big spike in the treble, the Tesla's just handle treble differently. The T1.2 and the Amiron definitely do have a noticeable spike in the treble but it never irritated me and bothered me less with more use. I am curious is the 80 Ohm variant of the DT 990 Pro is tamer in the highs or not but no idea, can't seem to find comparisons of the 80 Ohm vs 250 Ohm.

The HD 6xx series has one of the best modular designs on the market as it requires no tools and you just snap it apart, so simple yet sad so many others don't have anything like this. There are other very modular and easily serviceable headphones but many do require soldering and headphones that can have drivers replaced without soldering seem pretty rare. The Amiron Home and DT 1770/1990 are some. The Nighthawk/Nightowl were some. I believe the R70x is one as well but haven't confirmed that.

I guess it will come down to individual ears on whether certain "spikes" are tolerable or over the top with the newer Tesla whereas the 990 pro is just sharp for everyone. Not that it is bad, it is a professional headphone for working. I'm sure in that capability, it is superb. One can simply just add another layer of beyer disc foam to help the sharpness. I have no experience with the 80 ohm version, though if it is the same as the 770.80 that would be more than likely "more listenable" I would imagine or hope anyway.

As for the amiron driver, I had no idea!

I'm so embarrassed. How did I miss that one; that is very nice to know. Another thing about the Home is its dual wire as well. I've heard conflicting arguments about the Amiron beating out the Gen 1 T1, and possibly matching Gen 2. Would you say they are close? B/C I would imagine the Tesla being better with the angled pads, but as you say perhaps some of the early batches were a bit more peaky? Say vs late Gen 2, and III edition.


Also those Gen 3 foams which go over driver, does Beyer sell those?

 

[Bret Halford]

Amiron home is a real under the radar, gem. I prefer it to the 1990 slightly, although it doesn't take as well to analytical pad swap for some reason.

@SHAMuuu I think you would quite enjoy the new Pro 900/700 x. They are explicitly designed entirely modular and solder free, it seems Beyer are moving in a positive direction in this aspect. The 900 particularly also has some similarities to Senn 600 mids while having ruler flat bass extension and some of that Beyer upper extension.

I'm looking forward to see what Beyer produce with the new Stellar driver, I really like the T1.3, but compared to the 1.2 in many ways they are a side step rather than upgrade.

 

[iFi audio]

My soldering skills are how you say .... inelegant.

You're not the only one "differently elegant" on soldering, trust me! As long as you can handle soldering iron better than below and actually solder two elements together, you're good enough

Just to make it clear, ladies have crazy soldering skills (many cable companies have female employees on soldering stations), but the photo below is funny nonetheless.

 

[kman1211]

I guess it will come down to individual ears on whether certain "spikes" are tolerable or over the top with the newer Tesla whereas the 990 pro is just sharp for everyone. Not that it is bad, it is a professional headphone for working. I'm sure in that capability, it is superb. One can simply just add another layer of beyer disc foam to help the sharpness. I have no experience with the 80 ohm version, though if it is the same as the 770.80 that would be more than likely "more listenable" I would imagine or hope anyway.

As for the amiron driver, I had no idea!



I'm so embarrassed. How did I miss that one; that is very nice to know. Another thing about the Home is its dual wire as well. I've heard conflicting arguments about the Amiron beating out the Gen 1 T1, and possibly matching Gen 2. Would you say they are close? B/C I would imagine the Tesla being better with the angled pads, but as you say perhaps some of the early batches were a bit more peaky? Say vs late Gen 2, and III edition.


Also those Gen 3 foams which go over driver, does Beyer sell those?

That is why I’m thinking the 80 Ohm may be less sharp sounding. It also has a straight cable too it seems.

Yeah that’s something that drew me to the DT 1770/1990 and Amiron Homes to begin with. The Amiron Home is pretty much tied with the T1.2 for me. It had some advantages such as a cleaner sounding midrange and more sub-bass. The T1.2 has warmer more full-bodied mids and slightly gentler treble and better imaging.

I’ve experience two distinctly different sounding T1.2’s. It could’ve been the pads. I’ve only heard one T1.3 so no idea if they tweaked them at one point or not. I’ve heard some suggest newer pairs may have tweaked pads, this happened with the DT 1990 so wouldn’t be surprised.

Yes you can buy the T1.3 foams from Beyer it seems.

 

[SHAMuuu]

That is why I’m thinking the 80 Ohm may be less sharp sounding. It also has a straight cable too it seems.

Yeah that’s something that drew me to the DT 1770/1990 and Amiron Homes to begin with. The Amiron Home is pretty much tied with the T1.2 for me. It had some advantages such as a cleaner sounding midrange and more sub-bass. The T1.2 has warmer more full-bodied mids and slightly gentler treble and better imaging.

I’ve experience two distinctly different sounding T1.2’s. It could’ve been the pads. I’ve only heard one T1.3 so no idea if they tweaked them at one point or not. I’ve heard some suggest newer pairs may have tweaked pads, this happened with the DT 1990 so wouldn’t be surprised.

Yes you can buy the T1.3 foams from Beyer it seems.

The thing about the 80 ohm driver, was that in the 770.80 it worked for certain genres of music, that weren't so friendly with say a 880.900 (250), so I saw it in that regard as a necessary tool for rap music/ edm etc. And it was more flexible with cheaper amp.

But in regards to the clarity, there was a difference as the 80 ohm seemed slightly hazier (but could be due to fact of being closed and highly dampened) vs open and airy like 880/990.

Beyerdynamic is weird and need to be

They made some wild "special editions"

but like where is the dt880 Pro 600? Or dt770.600 or dt990.600 pro

instead they made some weird ones, which look cool, but.... mehhh

I guess one could always go through the trouble of making one as the parts are all interchangeable, but like imagine the trouble of having to making a dt770.600 with the bass cylinder.

Modern times and tastes have indeed confused the German titans. B/C the Tesla and 660S driver have steered into the warmer luxury jacuzzi , and from that classic DF sound which seemed clean and clear, and you can always EQ in some bass. Forget the spine tingle, that German treble jolted every neuron with electricity bolt.

Forget audio nirvana, you will get all the details you need. Certain sounds should be sharp? Like bullets. Something about soft bullet sounds makes me wonder about realism in movie watching for example. It should be sharp a bit, am I wrong?

Old Beyer will make you jump in certain scenes.

Recently, tried some older 580 FP/BP drivers into 660 chassis, and it was quite refreshing.
And oldschool Beyer to the Tesla, made the newer one seem more hazy (but it probably isn't, just felt thicker) Like when you enter the reptilian section of the zoo, and that thick air encompasses you. Which I think is the mid bass hump in the t5p.ii anyway. And smoothed out treble.

So you might have a point on revisiting some of the old timers to "refresh memory"

Also our old Indian pal, who is the ultimate Beyer fiend, seem to love the Amiron ability to EQ, with consistency while going up and down in volume without losing it's composure. SO in that regard, the consistency, the level-headedness, and finesse in execution made it a winner.

Though I am bothered it's 250 ohm. I don't know if I am the only one with this problem.

But as 2 time owner of 250 ohm\ers, and constantly being sized up by the 600 ohm owners, I have ptsd. This is why I have a dt100.2kohmer, because 2000ohms.

I guess the days of 600 ohm pro clamp is gone.

 

[SHAMuuu]

@kman1211 the last pic is the round foam mod I've been experimenting with. Like different densities and such.

But these old old old beyers are excellent to check midrange accuracy, and vocals especially if one is on quest for a TOTL, you want to make sure voices are on point.

I believe these 2k ohm 100s were used in newstation tv studios like BBC, and also professional orchestras during practice (though many were most likely the 400 ohm or 16 I believe)

And the dt48/480 being 5ohm, 8 ohm, 25 ohm, and 200 ohm.

So over time it seems Beyer has been able to keep their mids from being wonky, though it seems to shift forward or shift back a little here and there b/w models

I guess that is why I like Beyer from dt48 to tesla driver. The tesla mids sound almost identical in terms of voices and other instrument.s

Ofc bass and treble is a different story

 

[iFi audio]

@kman1211 the last pic is the round foam mod I've been experimenting with. Like different densities and such.

But these old old old beyers are excellent to check midrange accuracy, and vocals especially if one is on quest for a TOTL, you want to make sure voices are on point.

I believe these 2k ohm 100s were used in newstation tv studios like BBC, and also professional orchestras during practice (though many were most likely the 400 ohm or 16 I believe)

And the dt48/480 being 5ohm, 8 ohm, 25 ohm, and 200 ohm.

So over time it seems Beyer has been able to keep their mids from being wonky, though it seems to shift forward or shift back a little here and there b/w models

I guess that is why I like Beyer from dt48 to tesla driver. The tesla mids sound almost identical in terms of voices and other instrument.s

Ofc bass and treble is a different story

Wow, 2kΩ cans, wasn't aware that this was a thing

 

[SHAMuuu]

Wow, 2kΩ cans, wasn't aware that this was a thing

YES even the hd414 had a 2000 ohm version, then it went down to 600 ohm then 50 ohm i believe for their 50th anniversary edition.

Wouldn;'t be surprised if there were more.

I will say dt100.2000 vocals are the most natural, with blackest of background. A masterpiece for acapella. Surprisingly they have similar bass to hd600 and little more spicy on treble. Very Beyerdynamic like dynamics on a JVC R-S77 receiver I used, which I usually use to power my vintage energizers.

 

[kman1211]

The thing about the 80 ohm driver, was that in the 770.80 it worked for certain genres of music, that weren't so friendly with say a 880.900 (250), so I saw it in that regard as a necessary tool for rap music/ edm etc. And it was more flexible with cheaper amp.

But in regards to the clarity, there was a difference as the 80 ohm seemed slightly hazier (but could be due to fact of being closed and highly dampened) vs open and airy like 880/990.

Beyerdynamic is weird and need to be

They made some wild "special editions"

but like where is the dt880 Pro 600? Or dt770.600 or dt990.600 pro

instead they made some weird ones, which look cool, but.... mehhh

I guess one could always go through the trouble of making one as the parts are all interchangeable, but like imagine the trouble of having to making a dt770.600 with the bass cylinder.

Modern times and tastes have indeed confused the German titans. B/C the Tesla and 660S driver have steered into the warmer luxury jacuzzi , and from that classic DF sound which seemed clean and clear, and you can always EQ in some bass. Forget the spine tingle, that German treble jolted every neuron with electricity bolt.

Forget audio nirvana, you will get all the details you need. Certain sounds should be sharp? Like bullets. Something about soft bullet sounds makes me wonder about realism in movie watching for example. It should be sharp a bit, am I wrong?

Old Beyer will make you jump in certain scenes.

Recently, tried some older 580 FP/BP drivers into 660 chassis, and it was quite refreshing.
And oldschool Beyer to the Tesla, made the newer one seem more hazy (but it probably isn't, just felt thicker) Like when you enter the reptilian section of the zoo, and that thick air encompasses you. Which I think is the mid bass hump in the t5p.ii anyway. And smoothed out treble.

So you might have a point on revisiting some of the old timers to "refresh memory"

Also our old Indian pal, who is the ultimate Beyer fiend, seem to love the Amiron ability to EQ, with consistency while going up and down in volume without losing it's composure. SO in that regard, the consistency, the level-headedness, and finesse in execution made it a winner.

Though I am bothered it's 250 ohm. I don't know if I am the only one with this problem.

But as 2 time owner of 250 ohm\ers, and constantly being sized up by the 600 ohm owners, I have ptsd. This is why I have a dt100.2kohmer, because 2000ohms.

I guess the days of 600 ohm pro clamp is gone.

Honestly I think I have the ideal amplifier for the DT 990 Pro 250 Ohm, something with stupid high output impedance. The 990 Pro black editions had the bright/hazy sound which the normal DT 990 Pro didn't, so I guess I'm stuck with a coiled cable if I want to experience that sound again from the DT 990 Pro I had.

What I liked so much about the Amiron Home it didn't have the slightly hazy mids that the T1.2 has and found the Amiron Home to be a bit more engaging compared to the more mellow T1.2. Which is something I heard when I directly compared the two. One thing I have found is that angled drivers can sometimes lead me to perceive a headphone to sound less "clear" for whatever reason, may just be a personal thing.

To my ears outside the DT 480 which is a clarity/detail/dynamic monster as we both know, the Amiron Home and the DT 990 Pro had the best clarity of the mids of what I owned if I remember right. I'll have to revisit the DT 990 250 Ohm to see if that's true though, it's been so long. The T1.3 is clear but it's very warm so may require a bit of an adjustment period.

@kman1211 the last pic is the round foam mod I've been experimenting with. Like different densities and such.

But these old old old beyers are excellent to check midrange accuracy, and vocals especially if one is on quest for a TOTL, you want to make sure voices are on point.

I believe these 2k ohm 100s were used in newstation tv studios like BBC, and also professional orchestras during practice (though many were most likely the 400 ohm or 16 I believe)

And the dt48/480 being 5ohm, 8 ohm, 25 ohm, and 200 ohm.

So over time it seems Beyer has been able to keep their mids from being wonky, though it seems to shift forward or shift back a little here and there b/w models

I guess that is why I like Beyer from dt48 to tesla driver. The tesla mids sound almost identical in terms of voices and other instrument.s

Ofc bass and treble is a different story

I've been meaning to try a DT 100 for ages and of course the 2000 Ohm would be the pair I would aim for, may have to search for a pair sometime. Sadly developed a channel imbalance on my DT 480, going to find one of my other cables and see if it's a cable culprit, etc. I agree about Beyer mids, one reason I always feel safe buying a Beyer. Sure some can sound a tad hazy but never wonky or irritating and it honestly seems to come down to the driver as it's incredibly hard to mess up their mids while modding.

 

[SHAMuuu]

Honestly I think I have the ideal amplifier for the DT 990 Pro 250 Ohm, something with stupid high output impedance. The 990 Pro black editions had the bright/hazy sound which the normal DT 990 Pro didn't, so I guess I'm stuck with a coiled cable if I want to experience that sound again from the DT 990 Pro I had.

What I liked so much about the Amiron Home it didn't have the slightly hazy mids that the T1.2 has and found the Amiron Home to be a bit more engaging compared to the more mellow T1.2. Which is something I heard when I directly compared the two. One thing I have found is that angled drivers can sometimes lead me to perceive a headphone to sound less "clear" for whatever reason, may just be a personal thing.

To my ears outside the DT 480 which is a clarity/detail/dynamic monster as we both know, the Amiron Home and the DT 990 Pro had the best clarity of the mids of what I owned if I remember right. I'll have to revisit the DT 990 250 Ohm to see if that's true though, it's been so long. The T1.3 is clear but it's very warm so may require a bit of an adjustment period.



I've been meaning to try a DT 100 for ages and of course the 2000 Ohm would be the pair I would aim for, may have to search for a pair sometime. Sadly developed a channel imbalance on my DT 480, going to find one of my other cables and see if it's a cable culprit, etc. I agree about Beyer mids, one reason I always feel safe buying a Beyer. Sure some can sound a tad hazy but never wonky or irritating and it honestly seems to come down to the driver as it's incredibly hard to mess up their mids while modding.

It is russian roulette when grabbing any vintage pairs. I think they are from the 60s and 70s, that is well old in'it? So channel balance issues can happen, but with older receivers you can easily correct it.

The 480 is better overall than 100s, as it is more mellow. The 100s for the purpose of vocal monitoring are excellent, but no need to really acquire one unless just for kicks. That is, because it would be worthwhile to get another 480 instead. Like I would rather have 2 480 with different impedence over dt100.

Funny enough 100.2000 is kind like a 990.250 pro. It has zing (well on the receiver I have) though the bass does not extend as deep, but has enough mid bump to enjoy certain genres one can enjoy with 480.

A hard to find gem is the 660.32 with those god awful ultrasone headband. Really awersome Beyer sound.

When going back and forth between the old and new, you can see the differences, but the soul of the company remains within it's signature. You can tell it's a Beyer.

As for 990.250 , very apparent the mids sit back a bit much relative to some of the other offerings. That is the only gripe I have with them. They are relatively clean sounding all things considered, and if it was a one and only, i'm sure one can live with them. Many do have them as a favorite.

I'm starting to desire that old zing!

 

[kman1211]

It is russian roulette when grabbing any vintage pairs. I think they are from the 60s and 70s, that is well old in'it? So channel balance issues can happen, but with older receivers you can easily correct it.

The 480 is better overall than 100s, as it is more mellow. The 100s for the purpose of vocal monitoring are excellent, but no need to really acquire one unless just for kicks. That is, because it would be worthwhile to get another 480 instead. Like I would rather have 2 480 with different impedence over dt100.

Funny enough 100.2000 is kind like a 990.250 pro. It has zing (well on the receiver I have) though the bass does not extend as deep, but has enough mid bump to enjoy certain genres one can enjoy with 480.

A hard to find gem is the 660.32 with those god awful ultrasone headband. Really awersome Beyer sound.

When going back and forth between the old and new, you can see the differences, but the soul of the company remains within it's signature. You can tell it's a Beyer.

As for 990.250 , very apparent the mids sit back a bit much relative to some of the other offerings. That is the only gripe I have with them. They are relatively clean sounding all things considered, and if it was a one and only, i'm sure one can live with them. Many do have them as a favorite.

I'm starting to desire that old zing!

Yeah it does happen, I may have to tinker with the cables and I may need to adjust the magnet screwing and see if it may of got a bit loose affecting the sensitivity.

That makes sense, I would be getting a 200 Ohm DT 480 if I could, I thought they were the best sounding pairs, I was able to get insane bass out of the 200 Ohms and proper sub-bass extension. The 25 Ohm I have always seems just a tad lacking in comparison. People who say the DT 48 driver can't produce proper bass haven't messed around with them enough. They can produce scary amounts of bass impact and presence if pushed something most people aren't aware of as they tend to be tuned bass light, etc.

Honestly a well driven T1.2 and T1.3 are summit-fi imho. I did have a chance to hear both on great systems. Outside the DT 48/480, the T1 drivers (all generations) scaled the most in my experience. That is something I did notice of the T1.2 and T1.3 over the Amiron Home and DT 1990 Pro, they pulled ahead more as the gear got better. The 32 Ohm T1.3 driver is not inferior to the 600 Ohm T1.2 driver, in fact I think it may be better than the 600 Ohm driver. But I do kinda wish the T1.3 had a higher impedance so it wouldn't pick up tube noise as easily as I like how they sound on tubes.

I do kinda miss the zing, the only thing I have that has it are my JVC HA-FW01, but those are iems so can't handle them for very long periods, but I adore the sound of those.

 

[SHAMuuu]

Yeah it does happen, I may have to tinker with the cables and I may need to adjust the magnet screwing and see if it may of got a bit loose affecting the sensitivity.

That makes sense, I would be getting a 200 Ohm DT 480 if I could, I thought they were the best sounding pairs, I was able to get insane bass out of the 200 Ohms and proper sub-bass extension. The 25 Ohm I have always seems just a tad lacking in comparison. People who say the DT 48 driver can't produce proper bass haven't messed around with them enough. They can produce scary amounts of bass impact and presence if pushed something most people aren't aware of as they tend to be tuned bass light, etc.

Honestly a well driven T1.2 and T1.3 are summit-fi imho. I did have a chance to hear both on great systems. Outside the DT 48/480, the T1 drivers (all generations) scaled the most in my experience. That is something I did notice of the T1.2 and T1.3 over the Amiron Home and DT 1990 Pro, they pulled ahead more as the gear got better. The 32 Ohm T1.3 driver is not inferior to the 600 Ohm T1.2 driver, in fact I think it may be better than the 600 Ohm driver. But I do kinda wish the T1.3 had a higher impedance so it wouldn't pick up tube noise as easily as I like how they sound on tubes.

I do kinda miss the zing, the only thing I have that has it are my JVC HA-FW01, but those are iems so can't handle them for very long periods, but I adore the sound of those.

That 32 ohm business is really weird. In one sense, it's quite amazing you can power this "TESLA" monster with something like a simple dongle dac. Even something like a helm bolt which is compact can work just fine with the 32 ohm tesla. But like you said, that tube hum I would imagine would be monstrous on something like an OTL, though much less on a OTC tube amp. Can't speak on Gen 3. But in regards to t5p.ii, I did not see any performance gain with something like w a6 vs helm bolt. Perhaps I could upgrade the rectifier and drive tubes, but it's just the impedence thing causing the slightest of hum on low gain.

So I do hope they go back to higher impedence drivers but perhaps the trend is to make them more portable and that will stick

I notice this as the gen 1 600ohm demand seems to be more lately vs 1 year ago when gen 2 and 3 were rising in stock, one for being newest, and the other for detachable.

Some person mentioned on here, but if something (like a t1/600 gen1) was endgame, to wire directly to amp LOL. Not specifically the T1, but the actual headphone to the amplifier circuit so there were no connection points of solder.

Straight from driver to amplifier.]]

Regarding the bass on 48 drivers, I think the most luck i;ve had extracting those pesky subbass cues/bass was with a 25 ohm 48 with akg pads. K171 mkII velour. I had to make an adapater plate.

But I did manage to get closer to more ideal sounds by placing the 48 drivers into dt770 shell, xpt100/fischer003 (w/ bubinga), and i tried with foster shell and rosewood

I hope to perfect the 48 into wood shell someday. I was able to listen to hip hop to some level on enjoyment in the fischer003bubinga, so I know one day I can reach that goal. I just don't know which will get me to the goal, the 5ohm, 25, or 200. Its not as clear cut for me. I put the 5 ohm the highest for me (not for bass, but overall)

I think headphile used to make wood related mods for T1 and Beyedynamics before. Not sure how beyer and woods go together. Probably not that great, but funny to think about.

 

[kman1211]

That 32 ohm business is really weird. In one sense, it's quite amazing you can power this "TESLA" monster with something like a simple dongle dac. Even something like a helm bolt which is compact can work just fine with the 32 ohm tesla. But like you said, that tube hum I would imagine would be monstrous on something like an OTL, though much less on a OTC tube amp. Can't speak on Gen 3. But in regards to t5p.ii, I did not see any performance gain with something like w a6 vs helm bolt. Perhaps I could upgrade the rectifier and drive tubes, but it's just the impedence thing causing the slightest of hum on low gain.

So I do hope they go back to higher impedence drivers but perhaps the trend is to make them more portable and that will stick

I notice this as the gen 1 600ohm demand seems to be more lately vs 1 year ago when gen 2 and 3 were rising in stock, one for being newest, and the other for detachable.

Some person mentioned on here, but if something (like a t1/600 gen1) was endgame, to wire directly to amp LOL. Not specifically the T1, but the actual headphone to the amplifier circuit so there were no connection points of solder.

Straight from driver to amplifier.]]

Regarding the bass on 48 drivers, I think the most luck i;ve had extracting those pesky subbass cues/bass was with a 25 ohm 48 with akg pads. K171 mkII velour. I had to make an adapater plate.

But I did manage to get closer to more ideal sounds by placing the 48 drivers into dt770 shell, xpt100/fischer003 (w/ bubinga), and i tried with foster shell and rosewood

I hope to perfect the 48 into wood shell someday. I was able to listen to hip hop to some level on enjoyment in the fischer003bubinga, so I know one day I can reach that goal. I just don't know which will get me to the goal, the 5ohm, 25, or 200. Its not as clear cut for me. I put the 5 ohm the highest for me (not for bass, but overall)

I think headphile used to make wood related mods for T1 and Beyedynamics before. Not sure how beyer and woods go together. Probably not that great, but funny to think about.

Based on my experience of the T1.3 compared to the T5.3. The T1.3 reacts a lot more to changes in amplification than the T5.3. Both like good quality amplification but the T1.3 was more varied in its reactions to different gear. But the T1.3 and T5.3 seem to have different drivers. The T5p.2 and T5.3 may have the same drivers.

I hope Beyer releases another high end 600 ohm headphone though. I generally prefer higher impedance headphones actually, I chose the T1.3 over the T1.2 simply because I thought the 3rd Gen sounded better after owning both for months and trying a variety of gear.

I found using sorbothane, damping the living daylights out of the inside DT 480 and doing multiple layers of damping on the baffle is how was able to get me to squeeze satisfactory subbass and bass for modern Genres on the 25 Ohm. The thing is with the right pads the 200 ohm was one of the best headphones I ever tried on bassy genres.

I think wood will work with some Beyers imho. A woody Tesla Beyer is appealing to me. But I don’t think Beyer has ever made a wooden headphone.