New Beyerdynamic T1 (2nd Generation)
Oct 28, 2015 at 3:33 PM Post #616 of 3,924
  For those interested, if I'm allowed to write this here, what seems to be a launchprice of T1 Gen2 at €849 right now on cobrason.com (or with amazon.fr)
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It will go even lower near Christmas
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Oct 28, 2015 at 5:33 PM Post #617 of 3,924
 
Well, to me it read that they both sound the same to him.
 
But everyone is different. Some people say there's a lot of difference between the T1 and T1.2
Other's say it's a bit more understated. To each their own, I guess.

I suppose it will never be resolved. HD600 v. HD650 and many others come to mind.
 
Oct 28, 2015 at 6:22 PM Post #618 of 3,924
Listen to both of them, and it will be resolved for you instantly.
 
Oct 28, 2015 at 7:12 PM Post #620 of 3,924
  For those interested, if I'm allowed to write this here, what seems to be a launchprice of T1 Gen2 at €849 right now on cobrason.com (or with amazon.fr)
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Very tempting... Shall I make an impulse buy just now???
 
Oct 29, 2015 at 3:46 AM Post #623 of 3,924
I can only tell for now that my T1 v2 works perfectly fine with Aune S16. I've been expecting some stridency in highs but once you have properly burnt-in T1, there is nothing to worry about. With HD800 things were worse here as far as I remember.
 
Oct 29, 2015 at 10:37 PM Post #624 of 3,924
Do you guys think that this review has any merit? linustechtips.com/main/topic/470639-review-beyerdynamic-t1-2-generation/#entry6310492

Is this overemphasis on the 250-500Hz range something that you guys experienced too? Need to know if these are worth getting as an upgrade from my current 1st gen dampened T1s.

To quote the whole review, if you don't want to click on the link:

I was going to do a full review on these headphones, including a head-to-head comparison with the DT 880 but I'm not sure there's any point.

Immediately after putting music through this headphone, I could hear something was off. The midrange on this headphone can only be described as "boxy", meaning an overemphasis in the 250-500Hz band.

My first thought was that I just needed to get used to the sound of a new headphone, having been using the DT 880 almost exclusively for over a year. Unfortunately, my impression of the headphone didn't improve with time; in fact it got worse. While the boxy midrange was apparent with just about any kind of musical program, it was shockingly apparent when listening to solo piano or cello, both of which have a lot of tonal character in the lower mid-range. These instruments sound nasally and closed-in from the T1.

What I am hearing is so strikingly awful, it's as if the T1 was made from two headphones, shoved together into a single perplexing mess. The upper mid-range is exceptionally sweet and clear, with an airy treble and expansive, layered soundstage. The bass digs deep and hits hard without losing control. Then in the middle you've got this ****ty low mid-range showing it's lumbering ass, completely ruining the otherwise exceptional sonic presentation.

Now, you're probably thinking that I didn't have a good enough amplifier or needed to burn in the headphones with brown noise for like 200 hours (the ding dongs on head-fi certainly thought so). Well, as an experiment, I swapped the stock T1 pads with my DT 880 pads. The sickening, bloated midrange was completely gone. Of course, so was a lot of the bass, and the treble was now rather painful. But the point is that what I heard from these headphones out of the box is just how they were designed. In an attempt to rectify the lean bass of the original T1, beyerdynamic went and totally dicked up the mid-range. Apparently the people who knew what they were doing when they designed the DT 880 left and were replaced by a bunch of hacks who've never heard real music.

I guess the conclusion is that I should take my own advice and not buy expensive headphones without hearing them first. Also, I have to seriously wonder about beyerdynamic; this was their second official attempt to get the T1 right after a whole slew of issues, and this was the result? And why has no one else noticed this? I have to wonder if this isn't a case of "the emperor has no clothes". No one wants to admit that a $1k+ flagship headphone sounds like a piece of crap that was designed in an afternoon before being rushed out the door so idiots could throw money at it.

Maybe I'm being unfair here. Maybe I just got a lemon and should go through the process of exchanging it through Amazon in the hopes that this was just a weird manufacturing fluke with the pads or the driver or something. I'll explain why I'm not going to do that, and instead will be returning them and writing this nasty, negative review.

First, this is a flagship headphone positioned at $1100. At that price point, no headphone with such an obvious and glaring flaw should get out of the factory. All it would take is for some chump to put these on their head for like a minute to detect the problem. Second, I was assured by the beyerdynamic T1 product manager on head-fi that every T1 actually does go through a "100% quality control incl. extensive quality assurance of electrical and acoustic properties." So again, a very obvious flaw like this should have been caught in testing. Third, beyerdynamic has not had a great track record for designing amazing headphones in the past 10 years. The current DT line of headphones came out way back in 2005. Since then, beyerdynamic has treated us to a series of turds, in the form of the T70 and T90 (both ear-destroying treble-cannons), T5p (described by Tyll Hertsens of innerfideltiy.com as "an abomination of harshness") and the original T1, which suffered from insane levels of quality control problems - mismatched drivers, wildly varying frequency response from unit to unit, and multiple silent revisions. At this point I feel like I already gave beyerdynamic enough of a chance, just by buying their overpriced "flagship". I've wasted even more time writing this stupid review.

So if anyone's still wondering, I don't recommend these headphones, despite their obvious technical prowess and superiority to the DT 880 in numerous other areas. I guess if anyone wants to try them and contradict what I've laid out here, and do it in a constructive manner, they can go ahead. Otherwise, avoid the T1 "2. Generation". Thanks for reading.
 
Oct 30, 2015 at 3:22 AM Post #625 of 3,924
Do you guys think that this review has any merit? linustechtips.com/main/topic/470639-review-beyerdynamic-t1-2-generation/#entry6310492

Is this overemphasis on the 250-500Hz range something that you guys experienced too? Need to know if these are worth getting as an upgrade from my current 1st gen dampened T1s.

To quote the whole review, if you don't want to click on the link:

 
Hi. Same me from the other forum, and I assume you are the same you. That was posted here upthread and I already asked about the midrange thing. Apparently no one else has noticed it. Because obviously I don't know what I'm talking about due to using a $75 amp. womp womp.
 
Oct 30, 2015 at 4:05 AM Post #626 of 3,924
@Packdemon
I'm still in the middle of burn-in period, but with midrange I can hear that it is more diffused and distanced than from previous revision. It is less technical and neutral. Actually it is more like HD800 or K812 now and thus require similar gear with similar behaviour. T1.1 was a great pair of headphones to me, very professional sounding, but for normal music listening it was too much on analytical side. T1.2 is more like a "better but different" T1.1 for me: better bass, better extension, better sense of depth, softer treble, explosion of details. Still there is a bit tricky wearing them (position on head = different sound) and I mostly preferred the midrange from previous revision, but as same as with other headphones like DT990 or even mid-fi M220 PRO, I can live with it. This should be on source side to compensate. I can tell that for now aftermarket cables can make them even better than with stock (pure copper cables recommended here).
 
 
@SSL443
Headphone's general characteristics is one thing, driving and amping them with proper-class gear is another. There will be things that can be heard on all range of equipment no matter the class and price. But judging a particular pair (especially high-tier one) and pointing "it's" faults only from 75$ perspective is just ridiculous. Just. Many people in this thread pointed it out already. I could achieve proper working environment for them so far only with Aune S16 which has plenty of power combined with gain and quality of integrated DAC. Aune X1S for example failed, being still a good integrated AMP/DAC which is literally blowing FiiO out of the water. Yes, I took my time and tested T1 Gen2 with E10K too. Now I'm waiting for some external amplifiers + BAL cables to make more pairing tests and add them to my own review.
 
Oct 30, 2015 at 4:25 AM Post #627 of 3,924
  Headphone's general characteristics is one thing, driving and amping them with proper-class gear is another. There will be things that can be heard on all range of equipment no matter the class and price. But judging a particular pair (especially high-tier one) and pointing "it's" faults only from 75$ perspective is just ridiculous. Just. Many people in this thread pointed it out already. I could achieve proper working environment for them so far only with Aune S16 which has plenty of power combined with gain and quality of integrated DAC. Aune X1S for example failed, being still a good integrated AMP/DAC which is literally blowing FiiO out of the water. Yes, I take my time and tested T1 Gen2 with E10K too. Now I'm waiting for some external amplifiers + BAL cables to make more pairing tests and add them to my own review.

 
@EvilKillaruna
Many people in this thread have spectacularly failed to grasp what I described as the one and only fault I heard. I suspect it's because they don't understand how to relate actual frequency ranges or decibel differences with what they are hearing. For example, the midrange you are referring to being "more diffused" is clearly the upper mid-range centered around 2kHz-5kHz, whereas the question above concerns the low mid-range - below 1kHz.
 
As I've explained numerous times in this thread, the response I heard from the T1.2 was due to the new pads. Changing them out eliminated the broadband low frequency boost. Trying the headphone from other sources did not change the response. Trying other headphones from the E10 did not reveal a similar coloration. Some if not most people will find this signature inoffensive, maybe even desirable, but it's there.
 
Oct 30, 2015 at 4:33 AM Post #628 of 3,924
For what it's worth I liked the HE-560 better than T1/T1.2 and maybe you should give them a go. Just had them home for testing. They do need more power than what E10 can povide though. As you can see in my profile I've owned alot of Beyerdynamic headphone but the only ones I've kept are the DT150 which for some reason isn't wellknown arround here. 
 
Oct 30, 2015 at 4:39 AM Post #629 of 3,924
  For what it's worth I liked the HE-560 better than T1/T1.2 and maybe you should give them a go. Just had them home for testing. They do need more power than what E10 can povide though. As you can see in my profile I've owned alot of Beyerdynamic headphone but the only ones I've kept are the DT150 which for some reason isn't wellknown arround here. 

 
Thanks. I am indeed planning to get the HE-560 when my T1 refund goes through. It sounds like it will be much more in line with my preferences. And I will be getting an amp right away with the leftover budget.
 
Oct 30, 2015 at 4:47 AM Post #630 of 3,924
   
Thanks. I am indeed planning to get the HE-560 when my T1 refund goes through. It sounds like it will be much more in line with my preferences. And I will be getting an amp right away with the leftover budget.

 
I will warn you though that the connecters are a bit messy but I hear they will get changed sometime in the future like with the HE-400i. 
 

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