[gimmeheadroom]

Classical is fairly demanding and the 660 S is probably not the best choice. You might look into the classical threads and see if you can find some likely candidates.

The R27 or R28 will be better than your R2R-11 MK2 but in this case I agree with @Chris Kaoss the headphones are likely to be a better incremental impact,

 

[resakal]

Hi, I have a question. Kingwa told me that R27mk2 is based on R7mk2+Master9. But according to what I read here, R27 is R8+Master9. Very confused, can anyone confirm for me? Thank you

 

[gimmeheadroom]

Hi, I have a question. Kingwa told me that R27mk2 is based on R7mk2+Master9. But according to what I read here, R27 is R8+Master9. Very confused, can anyone confirm for me? Thank you

Whatever Kingwa told you is absolutely correct, nobody knows better than he does.

But, English is a problem, it is often hard to understand exactly what is being said. I think some of the guys here speak Chinese and might be able to clarify.

I don't think either the R27 or R28 is gonna be based on the Master 9, more likely the 19.

 

[OCC7N]

Has Pink Faun with ultraclock i2s been compared to DI20HE?

 

[resakal]

Whatever Kingwa told you is absolutely correct, nobody knows better than he does.

But, English is a problem, it is often hard to understand exactly what is being said. I think some of the guys here speak Chinese and might be able to clarify.

I don't think either the R27 or R28 is gonna be based on the Master 9, more likely the 19.

Here

 

[gimmeheadroom]

Ok, that seems pretty straightforward. I guess it changed with the R27 MK2. I'm pretty sure the previous R27 was a combo based on the Master 19. I am sure some of the guys can clarify.

 

[resakal]

Ok, that seems pretty straightforward. I guess it changed with the R27 MK2. I'm pretty sure the previous R27 was a combo based on the Master 19. I am sure some of the guys can clarify.

But i doubt it because R7mk2 costs 2699usd, m9 costs 1430usd, and R27mk2 costs 2099usd, even cheaper than r7mk2 alone. it doesn't make sense right?

 

[gimmeheadroom]

You're right, but there is some amount of economy packaging everything in one enclosure. And based-on is probably not very literal but rather using some of the components. Clearly Kingwa did not shoehorn an R7 and Master 9 in there and sell it cheaply.

 

[OCC7N]

I think of all the R27...the sweet spot is the RE model. Has the "same" reg psu as the (R8HMK2/3 looking at the pictures). Not as powerfull as the HE model, but plenty of power for hungry headphones(10W25O). Enough for Susvara I believe strongly. My HE9-LE is not even used 50% for Susvara.

Don´t get me wrong, but you need to commit if you take the "heavy" path of AGD. I don´t know how much difference R27RE sounds to my AGD(MCLK,DI20HE,R8HMK2,HE9LE) but the difference in space is ALOT.

The thing about the heavy path is that each hardware has a sophisticated psu implemented in each. What does this mean for the R27RE - when it has only the "R8HEMK2/3 REG PSU" - Im saying only in a very sarcastic way when comparing to other higher expensive brands

"Four R-core transformers are used with total power of 160W. Large output power 10W at 25 ohm, 1000mW at 300 ohm that can drive most headphones easy."

I would buy/recommend this model with clock input of 75Ohm.

My system may sound 0-5% better, but the internals/R27RE has acss connection(here you save alot of money on expensive acss cable)

Its expensive to go the "heavy" path of AGD, commitment is priority.......also the space you got. It takes up alot of space.

 

[ToddRaymond]

He markets the R27 as being, "[essentially,] a Master 9 + R-7", but it's clearly not. Same DAC chips, yes, and all have three R-Core transformers, but how could they possibly be the same giant complex pieces magically combined into roughly the same volume. If you want to get as close as possible to the performance of what the separate components deliver, but are on a budget, get the all-in-one unit. The sound will still be fantastic... but just not quite to the same level of refinement.

 

[resakal]

He markets the R27 as being, "[essentially,] a Master 9 + R-7", but it's clearly not. Same DAC chips, yes, and all have three R-Core transformers, but how could they possibly be the same giant complex pieces magically combined into roughly the same volume. If you want to get as close as possible to the performance of what the separate components deliver, but are on a budget, get the all-in-one unit. The sound will still be fantastic... but just not quite to the same level of refinement.

i see the inconsistency, kingwa told me R27mk2 is based on m9 but for you it is exactly m19. (R27RE and R27mk2 kingwa confirm the same). And dac built in R27HE is better than R8mk3 and R7mk3, similar to R8HEmk3 level. So R8hemk3 is better than the R7mk2.

 

[OCC7N]

D77 vs D28

Is it correct that the D28 does not have clock function in the i2s input? - from the manual it seems so.

http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/D28/D28EN_Use.htm

However the D77 is like any other of the models with i2s? - it has MCLK.
http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/dac/D_7721/D_7721EN_Use.htm

My main purpose is to connect D28 with i2s to di20he and be able to use the clock source from di20he.

 

[FredA]

D77 vs D28

Is it correct that the D28 does not have clock function in the i2s input? - from the manual it seems so.

http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/D28/D28EN_Use.htm

However the D77 is like any other of the models with i2s? - it has MCLK.
http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/dac/D_7721/D_7721EN_Use.htm

My main purpose is to connect D28 with i2s to di20he and be able to use the clock source from di20he.

Ask Kingwa. It is likely that all his dacs discard the word clock signal.

 

[OCC7N]

Ask Kingwa. It is likely that all his dacs discard the word clock signal.

Aah ok. I did not know it was word clock. Thanks!

Its missing MCLK on pins. All other dacs is not “discarded” with pin MCLK

 

[FredA]

Aah ok. I did not know it was word clock. Thanks!

Its missing MCLK on pins. All other dacs is not “discarded” with pin MCLK

I2s has 4 signals: data, bit clock, left-right clock and word clock. The idea with Kingwa's dacs is to ignore the incoming signal's timing and to redo it from scratch. It makes wonder with inferior sources. The r2r 11 is the only dac of hid i know of that still reclocks. Using an externaly clocked di20he on its rca spdif input lead to awesome perf level.