[husafreak]

Thanks guys, the silver cable looks interesting.

 

[Alcophone]

Thanks guys, the silver cable looks interesting.

Silver coated Pure silver would likely be more expensive.

 

[Lv100Pidgeot]

If you want a brighter voicing you can always remove the ear pads and pull out one or both damping materials under the pad. It’s a reversible mod as long as you don’t damage the pads.

I'm super interested in this! Can anyone who has tried doing that give impressions? If it ends up having the effect I think it would, this could be what pushes me into buying an ether flow.

 

[Bastianpp]

I'm super interested in this! Can anyone who has tried doing that give impressions? If it ends up having the effect I think it would, this could be what pushes me into buying an ether flow.

Here i removed the black damper, but not the foam.
The headphone become a little bit more airy, i think this because the noise cancelling is less without the damper

More trasparent, detailed and little better image, for some reason to me the drums ( mids ~ or lower treble ¿? ) get more impact, with black damper the drums sound sweet-smooth, for example the guitars sound with less body and get more bright, for me that black damper is not the best option FOR ME imho.
I think without the black damper EFO sound neutral-natural.

I'm really interesed in change the black damper for a white damper.
Mrspeakers said the white damper starting around 1khz, yesterday i do some EQ in 1khz - 2khz without the black damper and wow... i really love them.
my last test was wrong apparently ( my new burson don't had the full burn-in ) , my problem of brightness was in that range ( 1khz - 2khz ) not in 7 and 13 khz~ as show the Frecuency response, so i do little EQ in that area, is really easy.
Now with the little EQ in 1-2khz, 3.5 or 2.5~ dB ( i don't know wich is better because i found that yesterday, i am still testing wich EQ can be better for me) sound trasparent, punchy, smooth with really good level of detailt, definaly an all rounder.

But that was my ears!, i think this thread is for share the opinion so here is my opinion
*Is easy remove the black damper and put it together with the foam again...*
This headphone have big potential

Best regards

update: today i finded my final EQ
Peace EQ, Q:3, -2,5 in 1800hz and 2500hz without the black damper, only with the foam, it was a really hard job...

 

[Sonic Defender]

Silver coated Pure silver would likely be more expensive.

I'm curious what the theory is for a coating of a metal improving the sound? So does the sound get filtered by the silver content? I have to admit it sounds dubious. So some of the signal is going through copper, and some through the silver coating? I'm only quoting you as I thought perhaps you might have thoughts about this as you mentioned it so you may have researched this a little.

 

[Alcophone]

I'm curious what the theory is for a coating of a metal improving the sound? So does the sound get filtered by the silver content? I have to admit it sounds dubious. So some of the signal is going through copper, and some through the silver coating? I'm only quoting you as I thought perhaps you might have thoughts about this as you mentioned it so you may have researched this a little.

I'm definitely not an expert, so everything I say could be quite wrong. But I'm curious about the subject and have played with a few different cables.

One reason to coat copper with silver may just be to prevent oxidation, which can be detrimental to sound quality. Though presumably tin would do the trick, there's certainly tinned copper wire in use as well (Belden 1508A for instance, used in Blue Jeans Audio's XLR splitter cable). Silver is definitely a better conductor than tin, though (and better than copper).
Another argument could be the skin effect, according to which the current primarily flows through the outside of a conductor. So using a better conductor like silver on the outside might be an efficient way to improve sound quality, while using just silver could be considered wasteful. But I don't know whether the silver layer is actually thick enough to cover most of the current flow. And apparently the skin depth depends on the frequency, so for different frequencies, more of the current would flow through the copper part than for other frequencies. At least that's what I'm assuming, and it's the main reason why I feel funny about silver plated copper, it sounds like it could do more harm than good, either by causing frequency response changes or maybe even timing issues (pure speculation). I'd prefer a thicker all copper conductor over a thinner silver plated one, but that's not something I have actively compared. I do like my all silver headphone cable, though, it sounds better to my ears than the stock cable. But it also has a thicker effective wire gauge than the stock cable. Stock has four conductors with 24 AWG (Dummer cable: 26 AWG). My Lavricables Grand 20 Core Silver cable has 20 conductors with 28 AWG each, equivalent to four conductors with 21 AWG each (according to https://www.wirebarn.com/combined-wire-gauge-calculator_ep_42.html). But I've also seen more expensive cables that simply have more, but thinner strands, with the same effective wire gauge as the cheaper option. Maybe this is better because having more strands increases the total surface area. Or maybe that only applies when the conductors are individually insulated.

Ultimately, your ears and your wallet have to make the decision, though, so the above may only help with selecting candidates to try. There's definitely a correlation between wire gauge and price, with some outliers (Nordost cables tend to be very expensive, yet use comparatively thin conductors).

 

[dieslemat]

My Lavricables Grand 20 Core Silver cable has 20 conductors with 28 AWG each, equivalent to four conductors with 21 AWG each (according to https://www.wirebarn.com/combined-wire-gauge-calculator_ep_42.html).

Interesting post. To me, what you says kinda clears up some of my thought on cables and size and other properties added to it.

In your opinion, are these Lavricables Grand silver cables are a big jump from the DUM cables?

 

[Alcophone]

Interesting post. To me, what you says kinda clears up some of my thought on cables and size and other properties added to it.

In your opinion, are these Lavricables Grand silver cables are a big jump from the DUM cables?

No. Instruments sound a bit more realistic to me and there's a bit more clarity, but the jump in sound quality is not nearly as big as the jump in price. Even though the Lavricables is a steal compared to the Kimber Axios Ag at $4,500.

 

[TSAVJason]

No. Instruments sound a bit more realistic to me and there's a bit more clarity, but the jump in sound quality is not nearly as big as the jump in price. Even though the Lavricables is a steal compared to the Kimber Axios Ag at $4,500.

$4500? That would be a very long Axios Ag.

 

[Alcophone]

$4500? That would be a very long Axios Ag.

If you call 2m very long.



(Source)

Are you thinking of the Cu version (copper) for $830 or the hybrid for $2790?

 

[franz12]

If you call 2m very long.



(Source)

Are you thinking of the Cu version (copper) for $830 or the hybrid for $2790?

10k. I am really impressed!

 

[TSAVJason]

If you call 2m very long.



(Source)

Are you thinking of the Cu version (copper) for $830 or the hybrid for $2790?

Yup long week! I was thinking copper

 

[Alcophone]

Yup long week! I was thinking copper

Bummer. Here I was hoping you could give me a better deal.

 

[sbradley02]

I'm curious what the theory is for a coating of a metal improving the sound? So does the sound get filtered by the silver content? I have to admit it sounds dubious. So some of the signal is going through copper, and some through the silver coating? I'm only quoting you as I thought perhaps you might have thoughts about this as you mentioned it so you may have researched this a little.

Advantage of silver is corrosion resistance, at least with some dielectrics, can't see it helping with litz wire. Skin effect at audio frequencies is next to non-existent.
Don't get hung up on metals, geometry and characteristic impedance is what counts most. Finally be skeptical if you are told a cable makes a huge difference.

 

[Rosswell5]

If you call 2m very long.



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Are you thinking of the Cu version (copper) for $830 or the hybrid for $2790?

Check out Norne cable. I have Norne Solvine and it open up the soundstage over the DUM cable. Also it eliminates the low level microphonic of the DUM cable. If you like copper, look up Norne draug 3.