Moondrop in-ear monitors Impressions Thread
Oct 21, 2021 at 4:48 AM Post #10,396 of 11,979
Also, a teaser of things to come but here's why I really liked my KATO review sample: https://vsg.squig.link/?share=VSG_Target,Moondrop_KATO
Nice looking graph, aside from bass Kato actually looks tuned closer to ety target than ety evo lmao, with better extension too.

I still don't get the tuning nozzle differences. On crin's graphs the brass are slightly warmer, on super review's graph it's the same but there's a larger 15khz peak, on your graph the treble is less extended and slightly more peaky at the top ranges. Some reviewers have said the brass nozzle makes the kato sound warmer, others have said it gives more air in the treble. Most have said they couldn't tell the difference. I'm confused what the actual differences are meant to be at this point.

@MOONDROP can we get an explanation on why one would choose one nozzle over the other?
 
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Oct 21, 2021 at 10:18 AM Post #10,397 of 11,979
DM us your order number, I think preorders on the 9th have shipped out except for the matte color.
I have confirmation now that my Kato has shipped. Let me know if you want me to follow through with a DM with the order number , given that new information. Thanks for your support!
 
Oct 21, 2021 at 10:54 AM Post #10,398 of 11,979
Oct 21, 2021 at 3:53 PM Post #10,399 of 11,979
DM us your order number, I think preorders on the 9th have shipped out except for the matte color.
Why not the matte? If the pre orders haven't been shipped, how long will new orders take?
 
Oct 21, 2021 at 4:46 PM Post #10,400 of 11,979
Why not the matte? If the pre orders haven't been shipped, how long will new orders take?

I just received my KATO. I had been expecting the Matte version, but I got the shiny ones instead. I'm kinda too bummed to listen to it right away. My emotional disappointment need some time to process.
 
Oct 21, 2021 at 5:33 PM Post #10,401 of 11,979
I just received my KATO. I had been expecting the Matte version, but I got the shiny ones instead. I'm kinda too bummed to listen to it right away. My emotional disappointment need some time to process.
Sorry to hear that, I'd be bummed too.
 
Oct 21, 2021 at 5:44 PM Post #10,402 of 11,979
Oct 21, 2021 at 6:05 PM Post #10,403 of 11,979
I just received my KATO. I had been expecting the Matte version, but I got the shiny ones instead. I'm kinda too bummed to listen to it right away. My emotional disappointment need some time to process.
That is a total bummer when you don't get what you ordered.
 
Oct 21, 2021 at 6:21 PM Post #10,404 of 11,979
That is a total bummer when you don't get what you ordered.
I really shouldn’t be too upset. I pre-ordered when the shiny was the only one offered. Then the matte version was announced and the Moondrop store on AliExpress offered it to me, when asking me for an extension in processing. I jumped at their offer of the matte version. I guess someone didn’t get the memo about my choice, so now I have the shiny one instead.

Somewhere i can hear the voice of my Tripowin TC-01 yelling at me, “What do you mean you don’t like shiny? I’m shiny!”
 
Oct 21, 2021 at 9:30 PM Post #10,406 of 11,979
Why not the matte? If the pre orders haven't been shipped, how long will new orders take?
MOONDROP is speeding up on production, won't take too long.
 
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Oct 21, 2021 at 11:01 PM Post #10,407 of 11,979
There is no way to test all audio properties of sound yet? They can’t test for soundstage, they can’t test for timbre? There is no test for PRaT, if you even believe in the existence of it. There are massive amounts of things they have no clue how to even start measuring. Did you realize there is no test for imaging?
Consider the fact that we still have people and audio companies insisting $2,000 cables make a noticeable difference in audio quality despite all objective measurements and A/B testing showing nothing of the sort. To these kinds of people the only thing you can do is smile, nod and ignore them. :relaxed:
 
Oct 21, 2021 at 11:48 PM Post #10,408 of 11,979
Oct 22, 2021 at 2:32 AM Post #10,409 of 11,979
There is no way to test all audio properties of sound yet? They can’t test for soundstage, they can’t test for timbre? There is no test for PRaT, if you even believe in the existence of it. There are massive amounts of things they have no clue how to even start measuring. Did you realize there is no test for imaging?
From my experience reading reviews then listening to iems themselves, all those seem to be a factor of the Frequency response graph to some degree. And there are many times where reviewers mistake stuff like brightness for clarity, elevated mid bass for warmth and so on. Not to mention everyone seems to have varying definitions for the same word like "clinical sounding" can vary in meaning from being detailed to lacking emotion to having poor dynamics.

Testing for soundstage is a thing for headphones btw. https://www.rtings.com/headphones/tests/sound-quality/passive-soundstage

However for iems its all down to the particular tuning that makes an iem sound airy or open. From my experience, how the bass is tuned affects percieved soundstage width and how clear an iem is affects depth. There are also certain tunings with peaks and dips in the frequency response that give it an enhanced sense of air and depth.

Tl:dr, human perception is a funny thing. One man's warmth is another man's muddy.
 
Oct 22, 2021 at 2:58 AM Post #10,410 of 11,979
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https://www.head-fi.org/threads/headphone-transparency-vs-naturalness-and-timbre-accuracy.829587/

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/headphone-csd-waterfall-plots.566929/

https://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/csds-and-what-they-tell-us.65/

Learning about CSD, Timbre, Soundstage and Imaging does go outside of FR. But probably 80% of why we like a headphone comes from how we interface with the Frequency Range. Still the other 20% is so important.



Tl:dr, human perception is a funny thing. One man's warmth is another man's muddy.



So true, and that is again another thing to wonder about. Meaning does it come from the actual interfacing of the IEM and human, or is it neurological in response? Or both? I guess both?
 

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