Quote: Ohhh right!! :smacks self on head: I had convinced myself there was an optical-only out in addition to the HP out.. I know, that makes no sense; have no idea why I had myself convinced of that. Still, I really didn't wanna have to use an amp for using this w/ IEMs. My bad. I did a poor job of understanding this product. Not all of us want portable gear for use w/ full-size HPs. It seems that so much portable stuff is geared towards full-size cans. I need to be more discriminating; been out of the game too long.