I see you chose not to address any of my brilliant points in my previous post, but no matter...
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I think it is important to remember that measurements give us a standard, and remove the subjective. Without measurements you couldn't:
Drive a car (mmm...I think I'm going below the speedlimit)
Turn on a TV
Build a house
Make it to work
Call a friend
Type this message
etc etc etc.
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Funny, I do many of these things every day without making a single measurement. I think what you mean was that someone at one point had to make measurements to make these things possible. True that.
Measurements are just measurements. I know that because I used to do them for a living. The question is how to interpret the results and there can be considerable subjectivity there.
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If you tell me something is "bassy" and I disagree with you, the only way to tell the truth about it is to apply an objective standard such as: The signal is attenuated by 3db at 250hz. But words like that are totally frowned upon by people at head-fi. Do you know how many arguments could be resolved if we stuck to measurements?.
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Even the people who determine the standards argue about how a headphone should measure! If you have read this already, forgive me, if not this may shed some light.
Stereophile: Between the Ears: the art and science of measuring headphones
And if you told me "the signal is attenuated by 3db at 250hz" I would ask relative to what.
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Conversations about how "bassy" a headphone is would be totally unnecessary because then it would only be relative, and psychoacoustics (a confounding variable) would be eliminated.
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Psychoacoustics is not a "a confounding variable" to scientists in the field, it is part and parcel of the science (and part and parcel of the "thing itself", human hearing and perception), but I guess it is to you.
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This isn't rocket science - I'm actually amazed at how many head-fiers are actually anti-science. You wouldn't have anything to listen to if it weren't for science, nor would we be having this discussion in such a way as we are now.
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As a physicist friend of mine used to say, "Rocket science is not rocket science, you know".
I don't know how many people on Head-fi are "anti-science" and I am not aware of any study done on this. Perhaps you see anti-scientists under every rock, but I am not anti-science. I have worked in technical and scientific fields most of my life. But I don't have to make measurements to listen and comment on headphones and I can respect other people's perceptions.
In the case of the measurements on Headroom, while I am grateful for them and do consult them, are not anything like peer reviewed. Scientific papers would require measuring multiple samples and much more stringent measurement conditions. But that's not what the Headroom measurements are, they are "for educational and entertainment purposes only, please, no wagering".
And I treat them as such.
Kevin