[LoryWiv]

Not possible. There are some rare Sabre DACs like this one https://allo.com/sparky/revolution-dac.html
that allow to disable the oversampling filter with OSF bypass setting. Matrix X-Sabre does not expose this. So no way to do that.

Thank you @Baten, understood. Do you know what oversampling method Matris X-Sabre uses, PCM or DSD-based?

 

[Baten]

Thank you @Baten, understood. Do you know what oversampling method Matris X-Sabre uses, PCM or DSD-based?

Unfortunately, no. The datasheet of the ESS Sabre 9038Pro chip is not public and under NDA for those implementing it. So I think few people know exactly what is behind it.

 

[mav52]

Unfortunately, no. The datasheet of the ESS Sabre 9038Pro chip is not public and under NDA for those implementing it. So I think few people know exactly what is behind it.

IS this the data sheet you are talking about, or something different.

 

[Baten]

IS this the data sheet you are talking about, or something different.

Wow, where did you find this lol ;P it says it is confidential So it looks like it expects every rate to be 8x oversampled, in either a 128-tap or 256-tap filter. Not very in-depth details though... even the user-programmable filter is a very basic example.

 

[mav52]

Wow, where did you find this lol ;P it says it is confidential So it looks like it expects every rate to be 8x oversampled, in either a 128-tap or 256-tap filter. Not very in-depth details though... even the user-programmable filter is a very basic example.

Amazing what you can find on the net LOL

 

[Sound Eq]

can i ask would the matrix element x have the same dac sonics as the x sabre pro when both used as just a dac, as the martix x is an all in one, but if i will connect both to my home system would they sound the same

 

[thecrow]

I recently bought a used x sabre pro (non mqa)
Firmware verison 1.3

Should i be ugrading the firmware? If so, where?
I am using it with an imac

thanks

 

[Thenewguy007]

I recently bought a used x sabre pro (non mqa)
Firmware verison 1.3

Should i be ugrading the firmware? If so, where?
I am using it with an imac

thanks

https://www.matrix-digi.com/en/news/20200922495.html

Also make sure to upample through your audio player to at least 48 or 88 Hz for PCM, as the upsampling in the Matrix measures bad & is a bottleneck.

 

[thecrow]

https://www.matrix-digi.com/en/news/20200922495.html

Also make sure to upample through your audio player to at least 48 or 88 Hz for PCM, as the upsampling in the Matrix measures bad & is a bottleneck.

thanks for replying.
unfortunately that’s just for mqa model with a warning not to use it with the non mqa dac

 

[tejanolibre]

I recently bought a used x sabre pro (non mqa)
Firmware verison 1.3

Should i be ugrading the firmware? If so, where?
I am using it with an imac

thanks

YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY USE THE OFICIAL :

Matrix Audio USA WEBSITE to download anything that's available!

It called:

Matrix (power-holdings-inc.com)

And Mr. Powers is a Good Friend of "ours!"

Best of Luck and health to all !

I gave mine away unfortunately ! ONLY one in my ENTIRE COUNTRY but I was able to Get about $10K for it after 2 years of EXCELLENT USAGE and I definitely want another one!
But they have been Discontinued!
I just Love the Design but maybe , more than Likely the Latest TECHNOLOGY is the absolute BEST ON THE BLOCK!
All Things Considered!
Happy Listening!
Best of Health!
sincerely ,

Ramiro Guerrero
Giving AWAY N.O.S Tung-sol Matched USA manufactured "Legendary" Vacuum Tubes! Almost Giving AWAY!

 

[thecrow]

YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY USE THE OFICIAL :

Matrix Audio USA WEBSITE to download anything that's available!

It called:

Matrix (power-holdings-inc.com)

And Mr. Powers is a Good Friend of "ours!"

Best of Luck and health to all !

I gave mine away unfortunately ! ONLY one in my ENTIRE COUNTRY but I was able to Get about $10K for it after 2 years of EXCELLENT USAGE and I definitely want another one!
But they have been Discontinued!
I just Love the Design but maybe , more than Likely the Latest TECHNOLOGY is the absolute BEST ON THE BLOCK!
All Things Considered!
Happy Listening!
Best of Health!
sincerely ,

Ramiro Guerrero
Giving AWAY N.O.S Tung-sol Matched USA manufactured "Legendary" Vacuum Tubes! Almost Giving AWAY!

Yes.
i’ve emailed Arthur in the past and he has been very useful

i emailed matrix audio yesterday and hopefully i’ll hear from them after chinese new year in the next week or so

thanks

 

[Stereolab42]

Unboxing therapy:

• Moon Audio has these in stock and can get it to you overnight.
• They're not kidding about this thing being carved out a single block of whateverium, it weights a TON for its size. Do NOT try to lift this with one hand unless you want to take out your floor along with the DAC.
• Everything about the build quality is unreal. People are scared to pay this much for audio equipment out of China because of the quality of the $200 stuff. But this is $2300 and it could not be more different. if I paid $10k for an MSB DAC I'd be glad if it looked and felt like this.
• I'm not a fan of the three feet, I'd rather not have the corner of the unit hitting the table when the cat walks on it or you lean down on it for a moment when wiring stuff. (Who started this idiotic trend in hi-fi? Schiit's newer stuff has three feet also, so it's not something unique to Matrix.)
• Voltage switch was set to 220v out-of-the-box. Boy I'm glad I checked first. I hope it has built-in protection against wrongly selected voltage because I'm sure a significant percentage of customers just plug stuff in and pray.
• Nice selection of options in the setup. I think I have jitter protection off, dither off, and PCM filter 3, which is what some random guy who seemed kinda wise suggested on a forum post somewhere.
• Zero trouble getting the device recognized by Windows and playing a variety of sound files. Works fine without the driver, but with the driver you get ASIO and theoretically bit-perfect sound if you haven't screwed something else up.
• I have a Matrix Audio element H USB card coming also. Not sure it will make a difference but for $300 why not get a dedicated, low-noise USB jack for my DAC.
• Yes, it sounds great. But I'm not going to pretend it sounds noticeably different from other competently-made DACs. I realize I'm paying the majority of the $2300 for jewelry and overengineering (peace of mind). And I'm fine with that.

 

[Roasty]

@Stereolab42

Congrats man. Enjoy!
If u can manage a singxer ddc, try out the i2s connection to the matrix. It is really really good! I also preferred sync over async when using with the singxer.

 

[NovaFlyer]

Unboxing therapy:

• Moon Audio has these in stock and can get it to you overnight.
• They're not kidding about this thing being carved out a single block of whateverium, it weights a TON for its size. Do NOT try to lift this with one hand unless you want to take out your floor along with the DAC.
• Everything about the build quality is unreal. People are scared to pay this much for audio equipment out of China because of the quality of the $200 stuff. But this is $2300 and it could not be more different. if I paid $10k for an MSB DAC I'd be glad if it looked and felt like this.
• I'm not a fan of the three feet, I'd rather not have the corner of the unit hitting the table when the cat walks on it or you lean down on it for a moment when wiring stuff. (Who started this idiotic trend in hi-fi? Schiit's newer stuff has three feet also, so it's not something unique to Matrix.)
• Voltage switch was set to 220v out-of-the-box. Boy I'm glad I checked first. I hope it has built-in protection against wrongly selected voltage because I'm sure a significant percentage of customers just plug stuff in and pray.
• Nice selection of options in the setup. I think I have jitter protection off, dither off, and PCM filter 3, which is what some random guy who seemed kinda wise suggested on a forum post somewhere.
• Zero trouble getting the device recognized by Windows and playing a variety of sound files. Works fine without the driver, but with the driver you get ASIO and theoretically bit-perfect sound if you haven't screwed something else up.
• I have a Matrix Audio element H USB card coming also. Not sure it will make a difference but for $300 why not get a dedicated, low-noise USB jack for my DAC.
• Yes, it sounds great. But I'm not going to pretend it sounds noticeably different from other competently-made DACs. I realize I'm paying the majority of the $2300 for jewelry and overengineering (peace of mind). And I'm fine with that.

Congrats and enjoy! Good info about the default set to 220V - I have the Matrix mini-i Pro 3 and didn't realize the 220V default. Fortunately nothing bad happened other than it not working, unplugged it and checked everything and saw the voltage switch set to 220. A quick flip and I was rocking to tunes shortly thereafter.

 

[Thenewguy007]

Yes, it sounds great. But I'm not going to pretend it sounds noticeably different from other competently-made DACs. I realize I'm paying the majority of the $2300 for jewelry and overengineering (peace of mind). And I'm fine with that.

Try to upsample with your music player if you are listening to PCM, apparently the X-Sabre measures poorly for that by itself, but upsample from a music player (jRiver, HQplayer etc) can be a big jump in quality.