Master Clock Talk

[camrector]

And impedance doesn’t matter at all with sine waves.
With square waves maybe, depending on the rising and falling edges of the waveform.
But according to the J Swenson paper I posted above, square wave should be avoided in all but the highest of tier clocks.

 

[joenetic]

And impedance doesn’t matter at all with sine waves.
With square waves maybe, depending on the rising and falling edges of the waveform.
But according to the J Swenson paper I posted above, square wave should be avoided in all but the highest of tier clocks.

Square wave is good but need high standard cable and good matching if J Swenson is correct, still many to learn in cable fun

 

[OCC7N]

What will the OCK -2 give you?
Any specs or measurements?

Can you name an alternative thats atleast as good? - an as flexible in features.

Supra Trico is the answer for all cables. I have great success on square. Precise stereo image.

No nonsense, no snake-oil company.

 

[OCC7N]

Lets just be real. You get what you pay for ATLEAST.

Expecting measurements, expecting the expectations.......when all this is met, we will start complaining about the price.

Anybody with a sense of logic(no offense) will know OCK-2 is the perfect build for the price. May not, is not at the Mutec levels, but the price is like how many times lower?

 

[joenetic]

Lets just be real. You get what you pay for ATLEAST.

Expecting measurements, expecting the expectations.......when all this is met, we will start complaining about the price.

Anybody with a sense of logic(no offense) will know OCK-2 is the perfect build for the price. May not, is not at the Mutec levels, but the price is like how many times lower?

Most important is you found the clock can improve your system and got fun on it. I ordered used clock module from Taobao, it has a measurement chart, but who know it is true or not, but it did improve the system, fun with it and cables

 

[OCC7N]

Most important is you found the clock can improve your system and got fun on it. I ordered used clock module from Taobao, it has a measurement chart, but who know it is true or not, but it did improve the system, fun with it and cables

Im just being real. Things cost money....more today than ever.

It did not improve your system....so it must be the clock right?

Have you good transport, power, cables?

Things needs there full potential, and if you rely on the walloutlet many things wont improve, because the "food" you feed the music is the same.

(I strongly believe power and phase direction is the main issue with alot of systems)

 

[camrector]

Lets just be real. You get what you pay for ATLEAST.

Expecting measurements, expecting the expectations.......when all this is met, we will start complaining about the price.

Anybody with a sense of logic(no offense) will know OCK-2 is the perfect build for the price. May not, is not at the Mutec levels, but the price is like how many times lower?

Yes you should expect measurements.
I would bet that 100% of every audio device you have ever purchased came with measurements.
A clock is not a budget item. Its entire reason for existence is to provide extremely precise timing. Its most important metric is phase noise.
Phase noise is the noise produced by rapid, short-term fluctuations in the signal. These measurable fluctuations reduce signal quality and increases error rates. The less phase noise you have, the better.
This isn’t a difficult thing to do and for a company to not post the most important aspect of the very thing that determines its quality and usefulness is SHADY!
Do you take medication without knowing the dose? A car without a speedometer?
I’m not some ASR junkie either.

AfterDark measures and verifies every device they make. The Prince is -100db @1hz for $550.
Would I recommend that clock?
No
-100db isn’t all that great. Below -100db is even worse unless it’s inside the DAC.

So yea you’ve probably bought something that your dac is doing better.
If you had a measurement you would know.

 

[OCC7N]

Yes you should expect measurements.
I would bet that 100% of every audio device you have ever purchased came with measurements.
A clock is not a budget item. Its entire reason for existence is to provide extremely precise timing. Its most important metric is phase noise.
Phase noise is the noise produced by rapid, short-term fluctuations in the signal. These measurable fluctuations reduce signal quality and increases error rates. The less phase noise you have, the better.
This isn’t a difficult thing to do and for a company to not post the most important aspect of the very thing that determines its quality and usefulness is SHADY!
Do you take medication without knowing the dose? A car without a speedometer?
I’m not some ASR junkie either.

AfterDark measures and verifies every device they make. The Prince is -100db @1hz for $550.
Would I recommend that clock?
No
-100db isn’t all that great. Below -100db is even worse unless it’s inside the DAC.

So yea you’ve probably bought something that your dac is doing better.
If you had a measurement you would know.

Again. What alternatives can you come up with that will beat the OCK2. For the same money or approx?

The prince is about 2000dollars?

1. not as many output
2. no user selectable outputs between 50 and 75, even GND and ISO.

This is my recommendation to all who purchases the OCK-2. Be sure your power is good! - good hardware needs it power. I have experience this with dacs and amps now. iFi Elite made and impact on all aspects. Now Im adding Torus TOT MAX. It just keeps getting better and better!

Dont rely on the wall when everybody is at home in there apartments making noise on you line!

 

[camrector]

Im just being real. Things cost money....more today than ever.

It did not improve your system....so it must be the clock right?

Have you good transport, power, cables?

Things needs there full potential, and if you rely on the walloutlet many things wont improve, because the "food" you feed the music is the same.

(I strongly believe power and phase direction is the main issue with alot of systems)

All those things you list came with measurements lol.

Beat the OCK2 how?!?lol The only way to tell a good clock from a bad clock is by PHASE NOISE measurements.

The LHY has none. So my recommendation is Having no external clock is better than a LHY.

I wouldn’t recommend ANY clock for under $2500. External clocks under -105/-110db@1hz are not any better than the internal clock in your DAC.

 

[OCC7N]

measure and claim your statements. Its all emtpy words to me no offense

1. you do the measurements, not some type of ASR community member crap that is biased against AGD or any other, because there guru/Amir told them to. Sheeps

2. Confirm you measurements and list them here.

3. Most importantly, if your ears cant hear it. Dont bother 1 and 2

 

[camrector]

Again. What alternatives can you come up with that will beat the OCK2. For the same money or approx?

The prince is about 2000dollars?

1. not as many output
2. no user selectable outputs between 50 and 75, even GND and ISO.

This is my recommendation to all who purchases the OCK-2. Be sure your power is good! - good hardware needs it power. I have experience this with dacs and amps now. iFi Elite made and impact on all aspects. Now Im adding Torus TOT MAX. It just keeps getting better and better!

Dont rely on the wall when everybody is at home in there apartments making noise on you line!

The Prince is $550

You can put all the lipstick, outputs and switches you want on a device but without providing the most important measurement, to anyone with a sense of logic, it’s useless.

 

[OCC7N]

NUMBER 1 Principle of masterclock is power...enough said

EDIT: that prince is pretty lonely with one output huh?...clock, syncing timing...with who?

 

[camrector]

measure and claim your statements. Its all emtpy words to me no offense

1. you do the measurements, not some type of ASR community member crap that is biased against AGD or any other, because there guru/Amir told them to. Sheeps

2. Confirm you measurements and list them here.

3. Most importantly, if your ears cant hear it. Dont bother 1 and 2

NUMBER 1 Principle of masterclock is power...enough said

Lol
What is the frequency range of your speakers?
What is the wattage of your amp?
What is the phase noise measurement of your clock?

 

[MartinWT]

It boils down to experience. My personal experience is...

The BG7TBL is better than any internal Crystek 575-based clock
The AfterDark King is better than the BG7TBL
The AfterDark Emperor Triple Crown is better than the King

This is based on sound quality, although AfterDark back it up with personalised measurements for each device. This is what you pay the money for.
Also, don't skimp on the PSU, it makes a big difference, too. I use a Zero Zone for each of my AfterDarks.

 

[OCC7N]

I did something today that absolutely reinforces the importance of power supply quality for clocks. I replaced the PSU for my first clock, way upstream feeding the EtherREGEN before the optical link. I was using a Chinese Weiliang nondescript LPSU into my first AfterDark King clock and I have just replaced it with another Zero Zone ultracap PSU, the same as the one running my second AD clock. These are great LPSUs with low noise and Rubycon high capacitance storage, very good value from AliExpress.

Surely this is all too far away from the DAC to make a difference, right? Wrong.

There is a new smoothness of delivery and a further reduction of harshness, brightness and edginess. Resolution is up and the presentation is highly vivid and exciting. Bass has even more power (hard to imagine in my system) and dynamics remain as good as before. This has proven to be a great upgrade for not a lot of money.

DAAAMN some telepathy here. I was just going to post this here about your earlier post @MartinWT