LH Labs Geek Out v2 Discussion Thread

Sep 1, 2015 at 2:59 PM Post #451 of 1,391
 
Well, I was one of the original backers in their 2013 Pulse campaign, and have still not received my Pulse yet, despite seeing plenty of other people who backed them get theirs already.  They have repeated pushed back their estimated delivery date by several months each time.  The 15% of the undelivered Pulse on their project status document should be delivered by August, unsurprisingly it has not been updated since July 4th (I was originally told I would get it by March).  This kind of stuff (awful communication, constant failure to deliver, quality control and design issues, bait and switch marketing tactics) has been happening to most of their products.  I have no idea why people keep giving them money, except to show you the kind of stuff you can get away with running a business.

 
Yup. Still waiting on my pulse too.
 
LH Labs has also pretty much killed their forum, so it's anyone's guess as to what they're doing over there. Communication practices from that company is a joke at best. I swear that company suffers from a case of split personality. They make fantastically hi-tech products, but can't keep a simple list of orders organized. They have obviously never heard of the concept of "KISS" - Keep it simple stupid.
 
Also, don't dare talk bad about them on the "other" competing headphone forum. There's a particular mod there that's buddy buddy with the LH execs, and will defend, delete, ban you if you dare to question LH Labs products.
 
Sep 1, 2015 at 3:59 PM Post #452 of 1,391
What I was in preorder batch 21. A guy in batch 22 got his shipped and some people who didn't preorder are getting theirs shipped? I'm going to give lh labs the benefit of the doubt and hope they are shipping them so fast that they are being shipped in random order. Do you guys think I should open a ticket?


I recieved shipping info for my batch 4 unit a few days ago so I think the order is random...
 
Sep 1, 2015 at 10:02 PM Post #453 of 1,391
What I was in preorder batch 21. A guy in batch 22 got his shipped and some people who didn't preorder are getting theirs shipped? I'm going to give lh labs the benefit of the doubt and hope they are shipping them so fast that they are being shipped in random order. Do you guys think I should open a ticket?


When did you actually pay in Indiegogo?
 
Sep 2, 2015 at 1:32 AM Post #454 of 1,391
   
Yup. Still waiting on my pulse too.
 
LH Labs has also pretty much killed their forum, so it's anyone's guess as to what they're doing over there. Communication practices from that company is a joke at best. I swear that company suffers from a case of split personality. They make fantastically hi-tech products, but can't keep a simple list of orders organized. They have obviously never heard of the concept of "KISS" - Keep it simple stupid.
 
Also, don't dare talk bad about them on the "other" competing headphone forum. There's a particular mod there that's buddy buddy with the LH execs, and will defend, delete, ban you if you dare to question LH Labs products.


They remind me of Dustin Hoffman's character in Rain Man...
 
Sep 3, 2015 at 10:00 AM Post #455 of 1,391
What mode (TCM - Time Coherence Mode or FRM - Frequency Response Mode) are you guys using to listen to the V2?
And, particularly if you have a preference for one or the other, which headphones are you using?
 
Sep 5, 2015 at 11:32 PM Post #457 of 1,391
  Looks like we have a new competitor to the v2 - meet the Cozoy Aegis DAC/AMP
http://www.head-fi.org/t/265251/beyerdynamic-dt-150-bloody-brilliant/1440#post_11888732

 
I'll give them points for style at least - nice looking case and form factor. 
 
I haven't been very impressed with the latest crop of small form factor DACs I've auditioned (the Apogee and Emotiva's Big Ego). As much as I hate the V2/V2+'s lack of polish, I just haven't heard anything in the product category that comes close. I may have to check that one out though!
 
Sep 6, 2015 at 7:06 AM Post #458 of 1,391
  Looks like we have a new competitor to the v2 - meet the Cozoy Aegis DAC/AMP
http://www.head-fi.org/t/265251/beyerdynamic-dt-150-bloody-brilliant/1440#post_11888732

Perhaps someone could educate me on the lineage, as to why one manufacturer makes people have such high hopes versus another? Just reading the specs, I'm not particularly enamored. I'm actually more concerned with how much power it can get via portable phone power draw. But I could be completely off base?
 
   
I'll give them points for style at least - nice looking case and form factor. 
 
I haven't been very impressed with the latest crop of small form factor DACs I've auditioned (the Apogee and Emotiva's Big Ego). As much as I hate the V2/V2+'s lack of polish, I just haven't heard anything in the product category that comes close. I may have to check that one out though!

So you would rank the Geek Out V2 above the Apogee Groove? I've been quite curious to read other people's impressions. Off the start, I like that the Geek Out V2 has two different gain options. I'm really enjoying the Geek Out on lower impedance and easier to drive headphones, where the Apogee sounded like mush. But I'm still holding out hope that the CEntrance DACportHD will sound similarly good.
 
Sep 6, 2015 at 10:34 AM Post #459 of 1,391
 
So you would rank the Geek Out V2 above the Apogee Groove? I've been quite curious to read other people's impressions. Off the start, I like that the Geek Out V2 has two different gain options. I'm really enjoying the Geek Out on lower impedance and easier to drive headphones, where the Apogee sounded like mush. But I'm still holding out hope that the CEntrance DACportHD will sound similarly good.

 
I would - definitely. I only demoed it for about a week or so. FWIW, I really love the form factor and build quality on the Groove. With its button placement, it kinda reminds me of a tiny Roku remote. My theory on the reason that it sounds like mush with lower impedance headphones is the Groove's Constant Current Drive system. In this respect, it's kinda like a Bakoon: extremely high output impedance. More sensitive dynamic headphones and balanced armature IEMs almost need not apply given what the high output z can do re: bass and treble. When paired with my HD650 and planars, it sounded better. 
 
Probably the best way I can put it is like this: With the Groove, I felt that I was comparing it to other portable DAC units (Dragonflys, v1 Geek Outs, Schiit Fulla, Emotiva's Big Ego, Audioengine D3, etc.). With the Geek Out V2/V2+, I felt like I had to compare it with desktop units to get a decent comparison (Schiit Bifrost Uber/Gungnir, AMB Gamma2, my old Sonic Frontiers TransDAC, Theta DS Pro Progeny, LH Pulses, etc.). It sounded good enough that it felt like a category error to compare it with the other dongle DAC units. 
 
I actually hadn't heard about the DACportHD Indiegogo before! Thanks for the tipoff. Somehow my radar didn't pick that one up. (I only knew about the DACport Slim, I didn't know that there were two models.) I really loved the DACport LX. For my preferences, I thought it sounded better than the Geek Out 450...though the Geek Out 450 is a better DAC unit on technicalities. I like a slightly warmer sound, as long as that warmth doesn't translate into increased distortion, weak/soft transients, occluded detail, and blurred/indistinct imaging. 
 
Once I have my V2+ in hand, I'll have to go track one of those down for a comparo. That could be a pretty good duke out. 
 
Sep 6, 2015 at 8:13 PM Post #460 of 1,391
I just noticed the production update chart says it was updated september 1.. and geek out v2 is supposed to finish shipping in week 2 of september.. so I guess I should wait another week before thinking about opening any kind of ticket.  really wish my gov2 was here since I gifted my go450 to a canadian friend this week :P
http://lhlabs.com/downloads/updates/dianas_production_progress_chart.pdf
 
Sep 6, 2015 at 9:02 PM Post #461 of 1,391
  I just noticed the production update chart says it was updated september 1.. and geek out v2 is supposed to finish shipping in week 2 of september.. so I guess I should wait another week before thinking about opening any kind of ticket.  really wish my gov2 was here since I gifted my go450 to a canadian friend this week :P
http://lhlabs.com/downloads/updates/dianas_production_progress_chart.pdf

 
I do find it pretty odd that your V2 hasn't been shipped and/or delivered considering that it *appears* that they are/were selling them on Amazon here with two day prime shipping. 
 
Given that, I'd probably consider putting in a ticket.
 
Sep 6, 2015 at 9:17 PM Post #462 of 1,391
What mode (TCM - Time Coherence Mode or FRM - Frequency Response Mode) are you guys using to listen to the V2?
And, particularly if you have a preference for one or the other, which headphones are you using?


I much prefer time domain, better imaging by far.
 
Sep 6, 2015 at 9:26 PM Post #463 of 1,391
 I much prefer TCM because I'm too lazy to reach behind my schiit wyrd and hit the button for FRM :P
austin yeah I just opened a ticket asking about my gov2 order status
 
Sep 6, 2015 at 10:47 PM Post #464 of 1,391
I much prefer time domain, better imaging by far.

I kinda played around withe FRM. But yeah, wow! Once I just settled into listening, and stopped futzing with the settings, just wow!
I dig the TCM mode, very much!
  I much prefer TCM because I'm too lazy to reach behind my schiit wyrd and hit the button for FRM :P
austin yeah I just opened a ticket asking about my gov2 order status

LOL!
I just sold a DAC that desperately needed the Wyrd, so now my Wyrd is free to roam about the house. I'll give it a try with this!
 
Sep 7, 2015 at 8:42 AM Post #465 of 1,391
  I just noticed the production update chart says it was updated september 1.. and geek out v2 is supposed to finish shipping in week 2 of september.. so I guess I should wait another week before thinking about opening any kind of ticket.  really wish my gov2 was here since I gifted my go450 to a canadian friend this week :P
http://lhlabs.com/downloads/updates/dianas_production_progress_chart.pdf

 
i've ben tracking their production schedules for a few months, and it's clear they aren't production schedules in the normal meaning of the words: they are deceptive marketing schedules. They deliver about ONE-SIXTH of their stated monthly product volume (in percentages), across all products, and that's not counting the latest, newest, items (beyond v2).
 
If any organisation delivered, consistently, just one-sixth of their stated percentage volumes, they'd normally be bankrupt. Most of us put up with this because we value the quality of the sound the company produces, at their price point, and are prepared to wait (I was going to say "willing" to wait, but I don't think that is true). In their defence, I'd say that I've never seen a "production schedule" from any other company, so in a sense, they are shooting themselves in the foot: however, no other company I know has HAD to show a production schedule to keep their customers from demanding their money back.
 
It's very clear that the company has marvellous technical skills and a good sense of purpose. But their management decision-making and production skills are poor, almost amateurish.
They have a "what if" culture, that works wonders in development, but mustn't be translated into production. The wrong people are making the decisions. The result is a huge loss in customer goodwill which will sink the company, as it's reputation spreads.
 
I'll cite 2 examples: the withdrawal of the prepay commitment for v2, and the 3D printing process. Anyone who can use a spreadsheet will know that commitments of real money are needed to support initial production of v2. Money in v. money out. From DAY ONE, it is obvious that a prepay amount of $1-2 does not show commitment to the final volumes, so unless one's prepared to gamble with one's own money, or has fabulous lines of credit, it will be necessary to determine the REAL initial production commitment, prior to production, AND obtain advance money. This is known at DAY ONE. So they MOST LIKELY knew they had to withdraw from the low prepay offer, BEFORE they offered it. This is essentially deceptive. It's not a case of the benefits of hindsight, unless someone suddenly turned off their lines of credit (and that would be even more a cause for concern). The 3D printing saga: they needed a production facility which produced a reliable, working and aesthetic chassis, before production started on v2. Their pre-production sampling of their units appeared to be part of their production schedule! Their pre-production feedback and rework has been inside their post-production schedule! As if you can treat a chassis like a firmware update! Mind-boggling. Certainly a 3D printing facility gives them the ability to make changes relatively easily without hitting a supply/vendor lead time, but you have to be pretty clear that the facility will deliver the right aesthetics before you even start. That appears not to be the case, and v2 customers can, with some justification, conclude that they were the pre-production test for v2+.
 
It reminds me of my (short) programming days: writing software essentially through trial-and-error. But it's not a professional method, and I never called myself a professional programmer.
 
Nor did it last long.
 

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