Lets Talk Metal
Apr 27, 2015 at 2:48 PM Post #18,466 of 29,666
  What a pleasant surprise.

It's really good btw
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Can't wait to hear this album.
 
I never really understood what the big deal was for dynamic range in metal. I mean, metal is generally loud, besides parts in songs without loud guitars, etc.
 
Apr 27, 2015 at 2:59 PM Post #18,467 of 29,666
Can't wait to hear this album.

I never really understood what the big deal was for dynamic range in metal. I mean, metal is generally loud, besides parts in songs without loud guitars, etc.



Well most agree that still it depends how stuff was recorded to start with. I'm listening to some new 320kps song of dance music and maybe because it is direct with no microphone it sounds amazing.

Still when you hear stuff with an extremely messed up dynamic range loss it sounds really compressed with metal and there is sonic information loss in places which I think anyone can hear?
 
Apr 27, 2015 at 3:10 PM Post #18,468 of 29,666
Still when you hear stuff with an extremely messed up dynamic range loss it sounds really compressed with metal and there is sonic information loss in places which I think anyone can hear?

Yup. Compressed drums, for example, are the worst.
An above average DR score is almost always a good indicator of a good mastering job. Shows that some thought went into it.
No "let's just make it loud! people nowadays are too stupid to operate a volume knob and I can get home earlier if I just compress it to standard DR6"-shenanigans.
 
Apr 27, 2015 at 3:13 PM Post #18,469 of 29,666
Well most agree that still it depends how stuff was recorded to start with. I'm listening to some new 320kps song of dance music and maybe because it is direct with no microphone it sounds amazing.

Still when you hear stuff with an extremely messed up dynamic range loss it sounds really compressed with metal and there is sonic information loss in places which I think anyone can hear?

  Yup. Compressed drums, for example, are the worst.
An above average DR score is almost always a good indicator of a good mastering job. Shows that some thought went into it.
No "let's just make it loud! people nowadays are too stupid to operate a volume knob and I can get home earlier if I just compress it to standard DR6"-shenanigans.

 
I guess if it makes it sound more realistic, then I do care about dynamic range in metal. Too bad it's not in our hands...
 
Apr 27, 2015 at 3:51 PM Post #18,471 of 29,666
I guess if it makes it sound more realistic, then I do care about dynamic range in metal. Too bad it's not in our hands...


I was actually one who thought that a better pair of headphones could overcome it. Now though I believe it is really important and have just started to take it more to heart.

I guess I would have to say the quality of sound we get is a combination of everything down the line starting with the source. If that source is messed up it just gets worse however loud and clear you end up paying to make it.:p
 
Apr 27, 2015 at 10:04 PM Post #18,472 of 29,666
I'm amongst the converted. Thanks Trogdor the wise. I'm still learning the nuances. But, I do think it's less noticeable (important?) with a lot of the poorly recorded extreme metal I own. A lot of it just is poorly recorded (LOL!) Christ, some of it is schiiit. I still love it, but it sounds like crap on a good system.
 
If it was all for a couple of random Tool and Opeth albums, who would go to the trouble. Fork it. But, I think there is an argument that more and more metal is recorded better and more metal has more nuanced jazzy, folksy, proggy elements.
 
That said, I've been avoiding putting on Anthems or A blaze in Northern Sky on my better sounding gear though, because I'm a grown arse man and I don't want to cry in my beer.
 
I should do a search on really good sounding DM and BM albums that are heavy and brutal and sound awesome.
 
Apr 27, 2015 at 11:30 PM Post #18,473 of 29,666
Darkthrone was actually one band that I thought I could get a sound improvement just by buying their early vinyl reissues. I have actually thought I was able to improve on early extreme metal by having vinyl warm up and somehow remove any digital artifacts?

With Darkthrone the vinyl was same as CD.

I did think that Hate Them from 2003 was a step in the audiophile direction? Maybe it was just the contrast to the 4 track Necro early sonics?


Still early Darkthrone trumps early Burzum as he used a set of headphones plugged into the mixing desk as a microphone!



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JXG5BRABmdo




Yep, once again the effort of trying to make early Black Metal audiophile as an exercise in futility. Lol
 
Apr 28, 2015 at 1:00 AM Post #18,476 of 29,666
Still a classic :evil:


[VIDEO]http://youtu.be/7pIMXGjFZBc[/VIDEO]



You know, I have read countless posts about that album but never attempted to really get into it. Here I am expecting their new album to be number one for the year, and all.

Their last album I have started to use a a test disk to understand the plus and drawbacks of different playback systems being I know it so well.

Again maybe because May 8th is almost upon us. I am starting to love them again more and more. They are unlike any band at the moment. They have my favorite drummer and the music they make is a cut above most metal released today.


Oh, Gosh, what did I just write?



Yep! The best metal drummer to ever walk the face of earth.








 
Apr 28, 2015 at 5:31 AM Post #18,477 of 29,666
Looks like we have a sample set video released by Arcturus.

Sounds new and old style at the same time. Perfect as they have kept the signature sound at times but also continued to grow.

The 8th is almost here!


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FjiVFDN7db8
 
Apr 28, 2015 at 8:58 AM Post #18,478 of 29,666
  I should do a search on really good sounding DM and BM albums that are heavy and brutal and sound awesome.

 
Start with the following:
 
Horrendous - Eclysis (https://darkdescentrecords.bandcamp.com/album/ecdysis)
Woe - Quietly, Undramactically (https://candlelightrecordsusa.bandcamp.com/album/quietly-undramatically-remix)
Woe - Withdrawal (https://candlelightrecordsusa.bandcamp.com/album/withdrawal)
Demilich - 20th Adversary Of Emptiness (https://demilich.bandcamp.com/album/20th-adversary-of-emptiness)
Morbus Chron – Sweven
Inquisition – Obscure Verses for the Multiverse (https://inquisitionbm.bandcamp.com/album/obscure-verses-for-the-multiverse) (you can read more about Dagon's guitar sound and amp worship here: http://www.invisibleoranges.com/2013/10/31115/)
 
You are probably already aware of Earache's full dynamic range editions of multiple classic DM albums from the likes of Carcass, Entombed, Bolt Thrower, Napalm Death and At the Gates (https://earache.bandcamp.com/). Wolverine Blues is one of my all-time favorite albums and the FDR edition manages to elevate it even further.
 
Apr 28, 2015 at 9:09 AM Post #18,479 of 29,666
   
Start with the following:
 
Horrendous - Eclysis (https://darkdescentrecords.bandcamp.com/album/ecdysis)
Woe - Quietly, Undramactically (https://candlelightrecordsusa.bandcamp.com/album/quietly-undramatically-remix)
Woe - Withdrawal (https://candlelightrecordsusa.bandcamp.com/album/withdrawal)
Demilich - 20th Adversary Of Emptiness (https://demilich.bandcamp.com/album/20th-adversary-of-emptiness)
Morbus Chron – Sweven
Inquisition – Obscure Verses for the Multiverse (https://inquisitionbm.bandcamp.com/album/obscure-verses-for-the-multiverse) (you can read more about Dagon's guitar sound and amp worship here: http://www.invisibleoranges.com/2013/10/31115/)
 
You are probably already aware of Earache's full dynamic range editions of multiple classic DM albums from the likes of Carcass, Entombed, Bolt Thrower, Napalm Death and At the Gates (https://earache.bandcamp.com/). Wolverine Blues is one of my all-time favorite albums and the FDR edition manages to elevate it even further.


 Cool, I've got some of those, but don't know Horrendous. I didn't know about Earchache's full DR. Good to know!
 

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