Lets Talk Metal

Discussion in 'Music' started by zackp, Jan 3, 2009.
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  1. ZackP
    To cut down on all the threads (darkest desires, thrash metal, black metal, death metal) I thought we should just used 1 big thread to keep discussion high and not have to search for one thread just to make a post about a death metal band.




    List of Genres:


    Death Metal
    Death Metal
    Technical Death Metal
    Brutal Death Metal
    Melodic Death Metal
    melodeath/gothenburg
    Deathgrind
    Blackened Death Metal
    Atmospheric Death Metal (questionable as to how real of a genre it is)
    Symphonic Death Metal (see: Phlebotomized-Immense, Intense, Suspense)



    Black Metal
    Black Metal
    1st Wave
    2nd Wave
    Raw Black Metal
    Melodic Black Metal
    Ambient Black Metal
    Blackened Thrash Metal
    Blackened Death Metal
    Progressive Black Metal
    Viking Metal
    Blackened Folk



    Thrash
    Thrash
    Technical Thrash
    Brutal Thrash
    Death/thrash
    Early Bay Area Sound
    Teutonic Sound
    Thrash Revival sound



    Doom Metal

    Traditional Doom Metal
    Heavy Doom Metal
    Funeral Doom
    Drone
    Epic Doom Metal




    Key Metal Scenes
    NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal
    Bay Area Thrash
    Teutonic Thrash
    Brazilian Blackened Thrash
    2nd Wave of Black Metal (Norway)
    Hellenic Black Metal
    NYDM (New York Death Metal)
    Florida Death Metal
    Swedish Death Metal
    LLN (The Black Legions)
    Eastern European Black Metal/Blackened Folk Metal



    Now is there anything you guys want to add to this?

    Feel free to recommend bands for the key bands part, I know this is nothing great, but I hope it helps out the newbies
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  2. ZackP
    reminder to self:

    finish key bands part
     
  3. ezkcdude
    You definitely need Celtic Frost and Metallica. And before you say it...don't even start with me about Metallica sucking. Yeah, they suck now. But Kill 'em All is the thrash album that all the rest built upon. Any argument to the contrary is just elitism gone too far.
     
  4. Fido2
    I guess I'm not too far gone. I love the top 3; Sabbath, Priest , Maiden and Metallica too and have many of their albums. I also like Celtic Frost. I still have Into the Pandemonium but I've lost the Megatherion album somehow.
     
  5. Wenglish
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ezkcdude /img/forum/go_quote.gif
    But Kill 'em All is the thrash album that all the rest built upon. Any argument to the contrary is just elitism gone too far.



    I won't have an argument about it, I'm just going to state that I disagree. I'm not knocking Kill 'em All in any way; I like a lot of Mustaine's body of work.


    For the key bands section, you might you want to consider a few of the other 70s acts aside from BS that were relatively important. That hard rock/metal line gets pretty blurry at times, but I feel that Deep Purple/Rainbow deserve to be up there. If not for In Rock and Fireball, then certainly for Machine Head and even moreso for Made in Japan.

    In the same breath I'm making a point to exclude Zeppelin from the list. As much as I love them they didn't cross the line (in my mind, at least).

    Let's see...you're probably going to want to put Helloween up there. Keeper's 1 and 2 were quite influential.

    Now this is a bit of a stretch--but you might want to consider Fates Warning. FW served as a major influence for Dream Theater, and they more or less lead a generation of progressive metal bands. And despite the thread's predilection for the heavier side of things, the other half of metal is equally big.

    Well, my brain's now set to Iron Maiden (Doctor Doctor, rockin some B sides) so I'm done typing for a while.

    Up the Irons!
     
  6. ezkcdude
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wenglish /img/forum/go_quote.gif
    I won't have an argument about it, I'm just going to state that I disagree. I'm not knocking Kill 'em All in any way; I like a lot of Mustaine's body of work.



    I wasn't arguing that it's the best thrash album.
     
  7. scytheavatar
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ezkcdude /img/forum/go_quote.gif
    You definitely need Celtic Frost and Metallica. And before you say it...don't even start with me about Metallica sucking. Yeah, they suck now. But Kill 'em All is the thrash album that all the rest built upon. Any argument to the contrary is just elitism gone too far.



    Kill'em All is just a so-so album. I wouldn't say that Metallica sucks but I do consider most of their early material to be rather overrated, especially And Justice For All. Anyway, the key albums for me by genre, in no particular order:

    Traditional Heavy:
    Judas Priest - Painkiller
    Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny
    Judas Priest - Screaming For Vengeance
    Iron Maiden - The Number of the Beast
    Savatage - Streets: A Rock Opera
    Mercyful Fate - Don't Break the Oath
    Motörhead - Ace of Spades
    Diamond Head - Lightning to the Nations
    The Lord Weird Slough Feg - Traveller

    Thrash:
    Metal Church - Metal Church
    Coroner - No More Color
    Dark Angel - Darkness Descends
    Metallica - Ride the Lightning
    Megadeth - Peace Sells... but who's buying
    Megadeth - Rust in Peace
    Slayer - South of Heaven (I hated Reign in Blood)
    Overkill - The Years of Decay
    Anthrax - Among the Living
    Sodom - Agent Orange
    Testament - The New Order
    Exodus - Bonded by Blood
    Kreator - Extreme Aggression
    Nevermore - Dark Heart in a Dead World
    Nevermore - This Godless Endeavor
    Watchtower - Control and Resistance
    Vio-Lence - Eternal Nightmare

    Death:
    Death - Human
    Death - Symbolic
    Death - The Sound of Perseverance
    Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness
    Morbid Angel - Blessed Are the Sick
    Dismember - Like an Ever Flowing Stream
    Atheist - Unquestionable Presence
    Cynic - Focus
    Entombed - Clandestine
    Immolation - Close to a World Below
    Carcass - Necroticism - Descanting the Insalubrious
    Gorguts - Obscura
    Gojira - From Mars to Sirius
    Obituary - Cause of Death
    Suffocation - Pierced From Within
    Dismember - Like an Ever Flowing Stream
    Sadist - Above the Light
    Gorod - Leading Vision
    Gorod - Neurotripsicks
    Quo Vadis - Day Into Night
    Edge of Sanity - Crimson
    Benighted - Identisick
    Cryptopsy - None So Vile
    Anata - The Conductor's Departure
    The Chasm - Deathcult For Eternity: The Triumph
    Akercocke - Words That Go Unspoken, Deeds That Go Undone
    Demilich - Nespithe
    At the Gates - The Red in the Sky Is Ours
    Plus lots more which I probably left out

    Melodic Death Metal:
    Insomnium - Above the Weeping World
    Dark Tranquillity - The Gallery
    Amon Amarth - With Oden on Our Side
    In Flames - The Jester Race
    Mercenary - 11 Dreams
    Scar Symmetry - Pitch Black Progress
    At The Gates - Slaughter of the Soul

    Black Metal:
    Emperor - Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk
    Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse
    Dissection - Storm of the Light's Bane
    Burzum - Hvis lyset tar oss
    Immortal - At the Heart of Winter
    Immortal - Sons of Northern Darkness
    Moonsorrow - Verisäkeet
    Darkthrone - Under a Funeral Moon
    Bathory - Blood Fire Death
    Si Monumentum Requires, Circumspice
    Deathspell Omega - Si Monumentum Requires, Circumspice
    Diabolical Masquerade - Death's Design
    Summoning - Dol Guldur
    In the Woods... - HEart of the Ages
    Enslaved - Below the Lights
    Enslaved - Isa
    Taake - Hordaland Doedskvad
    Peste Noire - La Sanie des siècles - Panégyrique de la dégénérescence
    Sigh - Hail Horror Hail
    Sigh - Imaginary Sonicscape
    Negură Bunget - OM
    Primordial - The Gathering Wilderness
    Arcturus - La masquerade infernale

    Progressive Metal:
    Opeth - Blackwater Park
    Opeth - Still Life
    Opeth - My Arms, Your Hearse
    Arcturus - The Sham Mirrors
    Queensrÿche - Operation: Mindcrime
    Tiamat - Wildhoney
    Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane
    Disillusion - Back to Times of Splendor
    Green Carnation - Light of Day, Day of Darkness
    Evergrey - In Search of Truth
    Crimson Glory - Transcendence
    Symphony X - The Divine Wings of Tragedy
    Symphony X - V: The New Mythology Suite
    Symphony X - The Odyssey
    Subterranean Masquerade - Suspended Animation Dreams
    Solefald - In Harmonia Universali
    maudlin of the Well - Leaving Your Body Map
    maudlin of the Well - Bath
    Orphaned Land - Mabool: The Story of the Three Sons of Seven
    Persefone - Core

    And yes, I don't consider a single Dream Theater album to be essential

    Power Metal:
    Helloween: Keeper of the Seven Keys Part I
    Helloween: Keeper of the Seven Keys Part II
    Kamelot: The Black Halo
    Kamelot: Karma
    Blind Guardian: Imaginations From the Other Side
    Blind Guardian: Nightfall in Middle-Earth
    Lost Horizon: A Flame to the Ground Beneath
    Gamma Ray: Land of the Free
    Iced Earth: Something Wicked This Way Comes
    Defying the Rules
    Hibria: Defying the Rules
    Edguy: Mandrake
    Virgin Steele: Invictus
    Rhapsody: Legendary Tales
     
  8. asmox
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wenglish /img/forum/go_quote.gif
    Now this is a bit of a stretch--but you might want to consider Fates Warning. FW served as a major influence for Dream Theater, and they more or less lead a generation of progressive metal bands.



    I'd attribute more of that to Watchtower than Fates Warning, but I guess that isn't a very popular opinion.
     
  9. ezkcdude
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by scytheavatar /img/forum/go_quote.gif
    Kill'em All is just a so-so album.



    [​IMG] Do you read posts before you reply? I just said it wasn't the best thrash album. It is arguably the most important, though.

    And then you're going to put a Testament album in the list? Right.

    I'm exiting this thread and sticking to where I belong.
     
  10. Wenglish
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by asmox /img/forum/go_quote.gif
    I'd attribute more of that to Watchtower than Fates Warning, but I guess that isn't a very popular opinion.



    I actually thought about Watchtower and, also maybe Queensryche, after I posted that. But I went with FW because I remember reading something from Portnoy about seeing FW live and loving them--and now I remember.

    If you look in the bonus DVD booklet for the Awaken the Guardian re-release, the liner notes are written by him. He concludes with, "Very often fans and critics credit Dream Theater for creating a whole new genre of progressive metal music in the late 80s/early 90s...but the truth is Fates Warning were doing it years before us."

    Portnoy is giving them credit at least. Someone go scour the net in search of Myung's feelings on the matter [​IMG]


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ezkcdude /img/forum/go_quote.gif
    I wasn't arguing that it's the best thrash album.



    I wasn't arguing best/worst either, I just don't think it's the most important thrash album. But we can agree to disagree and bang our heads against the stage, right? [​IMG]
     
  11. ZackP
    Lol, sure, lets all pretend thrash wouldn't be where it is without Metallica.

    Alright, I'll add some of these albums up tomorrow.
     
  12. ZenErik
    Hmmm. My favorite metal bands are Ion Dissonance, Misery Index, Nightwish, Opeth, Pain Of Salvation, and Sonata Arctica.

    Also a fan of Blind Guardian, Meshuggah, Symphony X, etc...
     
  13. Meliboeus
    Personally...i would add Death to the key bands...they may not have been the sole creators of the genre, just like we cant' say metallica "invented thrash metal" and so on...but they have been indeed an extremely influential band in the death metal scene...
     
  14. scytheavatar
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ezkcdude /img/forum/go_quote.gif
    [​IMG] Do you read posts before you reply? I just said it wasn't the best thrash album. It is arguably the most important, though.



    And neither is it the most important. Kill 'em All is like Scream Bloody Gore, it's one of the first albums of its subgenre but you can see clearly that the thrash sound is still in its infancy stage when it was released. I wouldn't say that it's the album which defined the thrash sound, Show No Mercy is more worthy of that title.
     
  15. crimsonVoid
    I'd add that too, death to key bands.
    And I wounldn't agree for Savatage being Traditional heavy metal.

    So many meatalheads on this forum? I'm impressed.

    And proud[​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]:darthsmi le:[​IMG]
     
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