[kwkarth]

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Sorry for the noob question but, in general, would it be best to use a thicker gauge particularly for balanced cables?

Not necessarily.
 
 

 

[kwkarth]

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Wikipedia for the win - but I think the actual magnitude of the loss due to capacitance is pretty damn small.
 
If someone can post a formula/graph to show this relationship it might help as this is not my field. 

This not the sound science forum and the audible differences have not been measured objectively, so it's best to leave it at that.
 
 

 

[Steve Eddy]

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capacitance and inductance along with skin effect and a host of other things we haven't learned how to objectively measure yet, unless of course, we're all deluded.  

 

 
Naah, we're just human is all.
 
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[drez]

Why not talk about what colour our undergarments are if we don't want to talk about specifics 

 
I'm not saying capacitance isn't important (although some cable manufacturers claim this) just that we may as well be specific if we are going to talk about relevant theories.
 
Admittedly low capacitance is one of the byproducts of a thinner wire with a cotton dielectric but in the end it is still an electrical property just like resistance and inductance which has an alleged effect on an electrical signal.
 
In either case I am not qualified to comment from an theoretical standpoint, and even if I was a-priori theories are all to often undone in application.
 
One of the classic examples of this is Engineers For 911 Truth where some engineers did some back of envelope calculations about the time taken for the towers to collapse, found the video doesn't match therefore think something is amiss.
 
IMHO it would just be interesting to look at these metrics given the impressions people have of the sound.
 
I think its alright to talk about theory outside science forum as long as nobody insists on certain methodologies and as long as it doesn't become the core of the discussion, which maybe is in danger of happening...

 

[Wedge]

So, resistance, inductance and capacitance don't actually effect electrical signals?

 

[drez]

lol nah just saying that back of envelope calculations can be useful BUT should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[kwkarth]

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So, resistance, inductance and capacitance don't actually effect electrical signals?

All I said was we haven't learned to correlate actual measurements to actual observed sound.  Objective measurement with subjective observation.  I never said it couldn't be done.  Then there's the matter of scale, and of complex interaction with that which is being measured, and the interaction of he driver being driven with the amp driving it.  And so it goes on...  I would love to pursue this under the right circumstances, but not in this thread.
 
http://www.head-fi.org/t/572418/correlation-between-objective-measurement-and-subjective-observation-of-cable-differences#post_7765479
 

 

[USAudio]

Some folks might find this link has some interesting information:  http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm
 

 

[kwkarth]

Great link!  Thanks!

 

[Wedge]

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All I said was we haven't learned to correlate actual measurements to actual observed sound.  Objective measurement with subjective observation.  I never said it couldn't be done.  Then there's the matter of scale, and of complex interaction with that which is being measured, and the interaction of he driver being driven with the amp driving it.  And so it goes on...  I would love to pursue this under the right circumstances, but not in this thread.
 
http://www.head-fi.org/t/572418/correlation-between-objective-measurement-and-subjective-observation-of-cable-differences#post_7765479
 

Kevin, my response was in response to Drez's remark, see below I've taken the excerpt of the section with which I had a question.
 
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Admittedly low capacitance is one of the byproducts of a thinner wire with a cotton dielectric but in the end it is still an electrical property just like resistance and inductance which has an alleged effect on an electrical signal.
 

 

 

[Covenant]

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Objective measurement with subjective observation.
 

For me it's pretty simple. I like to research the objective measurements and scientific principle behind the things I buy, because without investigating the hard science I'm left to the mercy of marketing. But I also allow that the objective measurements doesn't always tell the full picture, so my ears are always the final, decisive measuring instrument.

 

[WarriorAnt]

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For me it's pretty simple. I like to research the objective measurements and scientific principle behind the things I buy, because without investigating the hard science I'm left to the mercy of marketing. But I also allow that the objective measurements doesn't always tell the full picture, so my ears are always the final, decisive measuring instrument.

I'm in some ways but not in all ways opposite.  I go by the ears and impressions of those I trust very well, and then I use my own ears as final judgement.  I never want to see a graph or a single measurement.  
 
 

 

[Covenant]

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I never want to see a graph or a single measurement. 
 

It was largely the frequency response graphs of the LCD-2 that first interested me about them. Flat to 1Khz? Yeah baby!

 

 

[WarriorAnt]

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It was largely the frequency response graphs of the LCD-2 that first interested me about them. Flat to 1Khz? Yeah baby!

 

My graph is still in the manilla envelope.  
 
 

 

[Loevhagen]

Where can I find the cheapest complete aftermarket cable with 4-pin-XLR (i.e. no TRS) to my LCD-2s? Thanks for any advice.