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Originally Posted by HemiSam /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I think they'll last a long time, but it's plastic and pleather.
Sounds like a Saxon song rip-off
Originally Posted by HemiSam /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I think they'll last a long time, but it's plastic and pleather.
Nice post. I don't own them, but I have heard them I thought they outright killed the Senn HD650s! Even with them falling apart I wish I owned them at the time. I still would like to own them sometime. I think they're hard to recommend given the build quality. I think if someone offered 3d printed, higher quality parts and replaced the pads, they could compete really well in the modern HP marketSo I think a little perspective is in order here after a few people have been disappointed with the Koss' as told in this and some of the Stax threads.....
The ESP-950s are not the greatest headphones on earth. They have some shortcomings in sound and build quality. But the point is that if you can buy them for around $600, they are pretty amazing especially when compared to other headphone systems near that price. I spent close to $700 on AKG 702s and a Schiit Lyr2 system. I have the same amount invested in my Koss system with the regulated power supply and an upgraded power cord. The Koss' killed the K702 system in the areas that are important to me. Others might prefer the K702s for different reasons.
I've never heard an HD700 or '800 system or flagship models from other companies. They are a lot more money even before you add amplification. I would expect that they do some things better than the Koss'. If I was an owner and they didn't outperform, then I'd be kinda pissed. Same with the upper end Stax systems. An SR-009 with a BHSE or something similar should obliterate the Koss because at that point your talking at least 10x the money of the Koss system.
I only mention this because the pattern I see when people aren't real happy with the Koss', is that they tend to own much more expensive gear, and it really isn't a fair comparison.
The Koss system is the most expensive pair of headphones I've ever bought. I've owned a good sampling of headphones in the $80 to $250 range, so the Koss' were a big jump up for me. It took me a while to realize that my taste in headphones is very similar to my tastes in a primary 2 ch speaker system. Slammin' bass is not a priority for me (can often be a distraction), but midrange neutrality and the ability to convey micro details are. So by this criteria the Koss' do really well for me. I could probably achieve the same thing with dynamic headphones but I'd have to spend a lot more. And I'm cheap. Could a similarly priced Stax system do the same or better? Maybe. but this is the route I chose to take, and I can eventually upgrade to a better amp if I want to with these headphones.
such a nasty dealFor any US members looking to get this headphone, Amazon.ca has them for 659 Cdn which translates to roughly 528 US. I'm not sure about the tax and duties to the US though.
Nice post. I don't own them, but I have heard them I thought they outright killed the Senn HD650s! Even with them falling apart I wish I owned them at the time. I still would like to own them sometime. I think they're hard to recommend given the build quality. I think if someone offered 3d printed, higher quality parts and replaced the pads, they could compete really well in the modern HP marketSo I think a little perspective is in order here after a few people have been disappointed with the Koss' as told in this and some of the Stax threads.....
The ESP-950s are not the greatest headphones on earth. They have some shortcomings in sound and build quality. But the point is that if you can buy them for around $600, they are pretty amazing especially when compared to other headphone systems near that price. I spent close to $700 on AKG 702s and a Schiit Lyr2 system. I have the same amount invested in my Koss system with the regulated power supply and an upgraded power cord. The Koss' killed the K702 system in the areas that are important to me. Others might prefer the K702s for different reasons.
I've never heard an HD700 or '800 system or flagship models from other companies. They are a lot more money even before you add amplification. I would expect that they do some things better than the Koss'. If I was an owner and they didn't outperform, then I'd be kinda pissed. Same with the upper end Stax systems. An SR-009 with a BHSE or something similar should obliterate the Koss because at that point your talking at least 10x the money of the Koss system.
I only mention this because the pattern I see when people aren't real happy with the Koss', is that they tend to own much more expensive gear, and it really isn't a fair comparison.
The Koss system is the most expensive pair of headphones I've ever bought. I've owned a good sampling of headphones in the $80 to $250 range, so the Koss' were a big jump up for me. It took me a while to realize that my taste in headphones is very similar to my tastes in a primary 2 ch speaker system. Slammin' bass is not a priority for me (can often be a distraction), but midrange neutrality and the ability to convey micro details are. So by this criteria the Koss' do really well for me. I could probably achieve the same thing with dynamic headphones but I'd have to spend a lot more. And I'm cheap. Could a similarly priced Stax system do the same or better? Maybe. but this is the route I chose to take, and I can eventually upgrade to a better amp if I want to with these headphones.
well I think modern plastics could be light and more durableYou know, I read all these complaints about the plastic and wonder what the big deal is. It makes them light. Are they less durable than if the equivalent parts were metal of some sort? Probably. But then if you used metal, they'd be heavier, unless you used some exotic titanium alloy. But I've had mine since 1992, and they survived two kids, one of whom has used them lots over the years, and are just fine. That's plenty durability for me.
well I think modern plastics could be light and more durable