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Kennerton ODIN, MAGISTER, VALI, Magni, Gjallarhorn, Rögnir, Thridi, Wodan, Thekk, and Thror Discussion.
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Hello Kennerton Family,
since yesterday i own a LSA HP-2 Ultra in Zebrano Wood and i am really, really impressed of this headphone. It is so so so detailed and "in your face" sound that i am completely overwhelmed
For me as an old ZMF lover this is nearly just too much detail
I am now considering of selling the HP-2 Ultras and getting a nother Kennerton or LSA headphone. But i don't know where to start and what the sound difference between the models are.
Is there maybe a quick overview of the sound signatures?
Thanks for your help!
Dominik
since yesterday i own a LSA HP-2 Ultra in Zebrano Wood and i am really, really impressed of this headphone. It is so so so detailed and "in your face" sound that i am completely overwhelmed
For me as an old ZMF lover this is nearly just too much detail
I am now considering of selling the HP-2 Ultras and getting a nother Kennerton or LSA headphone. But i don't know where to start and what the sound difference between the models are.
Is there maybe a quick overview of the sound signatures?
Thanks for your help!
Dominik
I left the Thekk for overnight run and checked again. I won't go into the bass immediately but will do a more general _subjective_ analysis.
Firstly, Rögnir and Thekk are _very_different sounding HPs. But this is not a bass issue, it is the mids. They are simply forward on Thekk. Also the -6 dB drop in the 1 to 2.5 kHz region (which pretty much stays with Thekk). Or reading it differently, the pushed forward 50 Hz - 1 kHz region. For my taste (I like slight U or slight V tonalities with slight recessed mids) this gives a strange tonality, at least to my ears. This is more a vocal listening HP.
As you see below, Rögnir has a very different tuning. Especially notice the lower mids around 200 Hz (which gives mids clarity, but at the same time loses some mids body and the bass sounds slightly disconnected, which is the only _slight_ quirk in Rögnir's tonality), and the huge gap around the 1.5 kHz region. They are pretty much reversed between the two by about 6 dB, which makes a huge difference in tonality.
Instead of patching different parts of the frequency band, this is how I fixed it looks like this:
which is a bell at 280 Hz, Q (bandwidth) 0.63, gain -4 dB, slope 24 dB/oct (you may not have this parameter with every PEQ). Because we don't touch the treble, it might be a little too much for treble sensitive people, because you need to increase the volume to achieve similar mids level. But this will give you a much better bass and mids balance, with some nice mid-bass bump. If you want a Rögnir similar tonaliy, add another bell around 200 Hz , but I wouldn't recommend a too low gain there, but something like this:
which is a bell at 200 Hz, Q (bandwidth) 1.9, gain -3 dB, slope 24 dB/oct.
Coming back to yesterday, why did I hear such a huge bass? Three things: 1) I possibly focused on upper mids / lower treble while adjusting the volume, which is kind of recessed. 2) TheHP has the capacity to go down quite well in the subbass region, and it does. It has a very clean and fast bass, and combined with forward upper bass / lower mids, I was kind of overwhelmed. 3) The break in process might (!) have helped with the tonality of a barely used 8 monts old HP.
I will keep both Thekk and Rögnir running for a while more.
Firstly, Rögnir and Thekk are _very_different sounding HPs. But this is not a bass issue, it is the mids. They are simply forward on Thekk. Also the -6 dB drop in the 1 to 2.5 kHz region (which pretty much stays with Thekk). Or reading it differently, the pushed forward 50 Hz - 1 kHz region. For my taste (I like slight U or slight V tonalities with slight recessed mids) this gives a strange tonality, at least to my ears. This is more a vocal listening HP.
As you see below, Rögnir has a very different tuning. Especially notice the lower mids around 200 Hz (which gives mids clarity, but at the same time loses some mids body and the bass sounds slightly disconnected, which is the only _slight_ quirk in Rögnir's tonality), and the huge gap around the 1.5 kHz region. They are pretty much reversed between the two by about 6 dB, which makes a huge difference in tonality.
Instead of patching different parts of the frequency band, this is how I fixed it looks like this:
which is a bell at 280 Hz, Q (bandwidth) 0.63, gain -4 dB, slope 24 dB/oct (you may not have this parameter with every PEQ). Because we don't touch the treble, it might be a little too much for treble sensitive people, because you need to increase the volume to achieve similar mids level. But this will give you a much better bass and mids balance, with some nice mid-bass bump. If you want a Rögnir similar tonaliy, add another bell around 200 Hz , but I wouldn't recommend a too low gain there, but something like this:
which is a bell at 200 Hz, Q (bandwidth) 1.9, gain -3 dB, slope 24 dB/oct.
Coming back to yesterday, why did I hear such a huge bass? Three things: 1) I possibly focused on upper mids / lower treble while adjusting the volume, which is kind of recessed. 2) TheHP has the capacity to go down quite well in the subbass region, and it does. It has a very clean and fast bass, and combined with forward upper bass / lower mids, I was kind of overwhelmed. 3) The break in process might (!) have helped with the tonality of a barely used 8 monts old HP.
I will keep both Thekk and Rögnir running for a while more.
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Listening to (long time disbanded) L'ham de Foc's Pandero with PEQ'ed Thekk. I think it would be a sin to call the bass "lacking". 
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Again after the PEQ, one of the most fun listening of Stabwound from Necrophagist with Thekk. This is a very balanced death metal production...
Innoinno31
New Head-Fier
Hello,
I currently have a LSA HP1 and a focal clear pro.
i prefer the lsa hp1 to my liking and i enjoy it much much much..
But as always i want a new one ! 
i like hifiman because of the soundstage and detail, and the slam of the LCD line, but i dont find something who have a lot of bass/slam and huge soundstage / detail.
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I currently have a LSA HP1 and a focal clear pro.
i prefer the lsa hp1 to my liking and i enjoy it much much much..
But as always
i want a new one ! i like hifiman because of the soundstage and detail, and the slam of the LCD line, but i dont find something who have a lot of bass/slam and huge soundstage / detail.
.
arielext
Headphoneus Supremus
EQ that HP-1 and never look backHello,
I currently have a LSA HP1 and a focal clear pro.
i prefer the lsa hp1 to my liking and i enjoy it much much much..
But as always
i like hifiman because of the soundstage and detail, and the slam of the LCD line, but i dont find something who have a lot of bass/slam and huge soundstage / detail.
.
With my amp at least, the HE1000SE has more bass/slam than the Verite Open, Rognir and Thekk.Hello,
I currently have a LSA HP1 and a focal clear pro.
i prefer the lsa hp1 to my liking and i enjoy it much much much..
But as always
i like hifiman because of the soundstage and detail, and the slam of the LCD line, but i dont find something who have a lot of bass/slam and huge soundstage / detail.
.
Innoinno31
New Head-Fier
Thank you, do you have any good EQ? i will try with pleasure.EQ that HP-1 and never look back
In the past i used oratory preset, but i didn't found any for the lsa hp1.
Yes the HE1000SE and Arya are in my short list
My amp is a Burson conductor reference 3, i dont know if it's a good one for the slam, but i like it so far.
arielext
Headphoneus Supremus
I added ~ 5dB at 70hz (low pass, q1) with my HP-1.
For the HP-Diamond I'm using +5.5db at 90hz (again low pass, q1)
If you want that 'got a new toy' feeling you can also order a pair of ECL-02 pads; in that case you can lower the EQ by ~ 3dB.
For the HP-Diamond I'm using +5.5db at 90hz (again low pass, q1)
If you want that 'got a new toy' feeling you can also order a pair of ECL-02 pads; in that case you can lower the EQ by ~ 3dB.
Innoinno31
New Head-Fier
Thank you arielext , i will try this EQ.
You're right, i forgot to mention that i have the ECL 02 pads, i prefer them over the ECL 01.
You're right, i forgot to mention that i have the ECL 02 pads, i prefer them over the ECL 01.
Best headphone is an EQ'ed headphone. There is not a single HP I know (HEKse, Thekk, Rögnir, Utopia, Solitaire P, P-SE, D8000 Pro...) that wouldn't benefit from EQ, and an EQ wouldn't open up more of its capabilities. EQ also helps with finding your favorite signature(s) without spending thousands on new HPs.
There is not a single HP I know (HEKse, Thekk, Rögnir, Utopia, Solitaire P, P-SE, D8000 Pro...) that wouldn't benefit from EQ, and an EQ wouldn't open up more of its capabilities. EQ also helps with finding your favorite signature(s) without spending thousands on new HPs.LOL I am on the opposite side of this. I never and will never use EQ.Best headphone is an EQ'ed headphone.
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