K701 replacement...

[Morph201]

IMHO, the HD800 would definitely fit the bill. If you don't mind dropping 1400 (at this time), they are (IMHO once again) a FULLER K701, more solid bass\impact, as much detail and wide soundstage.

 

[scytheavatar]

D7000? Soundstage? LOL, the D7000's soundstage is nothing short of pathetic.

 

[dharma]

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Originally Posted by Ashirgo /img/forum/go_quote.gif FS forums here on Head-fi for K1000? I wonder where you can get a good subwoofer to compliment them. I would suggest some pro/studio grade, preferably active designs (with an amp inside).

Old idea, but to do (correctly by hi-fi 'standard') is not so easy at all ?

 

[Ashirgo]

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Originally Posted by Morph201 /img/forum/go_quote.gif IMHO, the HD800 would definitely fit the bill. If you don't mind dropping 1400 (at this time), they are (IMHO once again) a FULLER K701, more solid bass\impact, as much detail and wide soundstage.

How many times did you listen to them, though?

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Originally Posted by dharma /img/forum/go_quote.gif Old idea, but to do (correctly by hi-fi 'standard') is not so easy at all ?

K1000 are extremely open, so nothing will block low notes. As we know from acoustics, bass is not highly positional (and, consequently, sub can be anywhere in the room, but preferable near to you). But how to link it together? A source with many outputs should do the thing, don't you think?

 

[dharma]

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Originally Posted by Ashirgo /img/forum/go_quote.gif K1000 are extremely open, so nothing will block low notes. As we know from acoustics, bass is not highly positional (and, consequently, sub can be anywhere in the room, but preferable near to you). But how to link it together? A source with many outputs should do the thing, don't you think?

Some head-fi'er have discussed earlier about same subject, as far as i remember: to put signals work in 'coherent, synchronized' way is not easy

 

[dharma]

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Originally Posted by scytheavatar /img/forum/go_quote.gif D7000? Soundstage? LOL, the D7000's soundstage is nothing short of pathetic.

At least in my setup AH-D5000 sounstage is not smaller than K701 and AH-D7000 soundstage is not smaller than AH-D5000 .

 

[Ashirgo]

Well, we cannot doubt it is not easy. The main problem is that bass will reach ears of the listener after anything else (reproduced by headphones) due to the different distance. A phase correction would be great, then. You just have to compute exact latencies for bass and speed it up a little, that is all (but slowing down the headphone playback would be the solution here).

 

[dharma]

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Originally Posted by Ashirgo /img/forum/go_quote.gif Well, we cannot doubt it is not easy. The main problem is that bass will reach ears of the listener after anything else (reproduced by headphones) due to the different distance. A phase correction would be great, then. You just have to compute exact latencies for bass and speed it up a little, that is all (but slowing down the headphone playback would be the solution here).

good luck (with fastest subwoofers)!

 

[Ashirgo]

It is not subwoofers that needs to be fast here. A professional equipment would be necessary as well as some measurements (with microphones, but it is not necessary) to determine a preferable distance between one's head and sub, and consequently, the latency. And, finally, a device designed to synchronize the playback of sub and headphones, both in time and space.

As far as I know, it is the only 100% working solution here

 

[olblueyez]

Can you not return the HD800 if you do not like them? You could probably dump them in the 4 sale section in a matter of minutes.

 

[eightbitpotion]

How much does used Omega IIs go for? And do they appear in the FS very often? I searched the FS and didn't see too many results, and of course no price. To be completely blunt, I haven't the slightest clue about electro-stats... I inquired about them once before, but never got to listen to a pair. 4,000 USD for a headphone + amp is stretching my budget two folds, but if I must I will. How about any of the other STAX? Or that HEAUDIO electro-stat?

So far so good, I've got it narrowed quite a bit, thanks for everyone that's responded so far.

 

[eightbitpotion]

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Originally Posted by olblueyez /img/forum/go_quote.gif Can you not return the HD800 if you do not like them? You could probably dump them in the 4 sale section in a matter of minutes.

I thought there were VERY mixed reviews out there as of now. But most people do listen to different types of music than me, so I have to take from it what I can. Good suggestion, I'll actually consider this.

 

[Ashirgo]

Omegas: many people prefer older version to the newest, and accordingly the "vintage" version is difficult to find. The same goes for amps, many consider 727 inferior to 717, so, provided that you can't find it, you had better look for some other amps. And the expense is great, so you can consider visiting some meets and listening to them before... Even though I would not expect much damage, as new buyers should not be hard to find.

 

[dharma]

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Originally Posted by Ashirgo /img/forum/go_quote.gif It is not subwoofers that needs to be fast here. '...' And, finally, a device designed to synchronize the playback of sub and headphones, both in time and space. As far as I know, it is the only 100% working solution here

HMM! If you speak about 'new-age' slowly flowing music, maybe it works somehow, but bass signals can have very complicated structure and speed... so there are lot of discussions about 'fastest' subs in the world.

Which realized solution can you give for example (website, article, book, someones 'home' or 'pro' system?

And as i understand you can't built such a system for 2000USD (as was mentioned by thread opener)!

 

[Ashirgo]

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Originally Posted by dharma /img/forum/go_quote.gif HMM! If you speak about 'new-age' slowly flowing music, maybe it works somehow, but bass signals can have very complicated structure and speed... so there are lot of discussions about 'fastest' subs in the world. Which realized solution can you give for example (website, article, book, someones 'home' or 'pro' system? And as i understand you can't built such a system for 2000USD (as was mentioned by thread opener)!

I see

Some reading: Time, Phase, Freqency, Delay

There are some digital crossovers available, as long as you can find one with a programmable delay for your headphone output (to hp amp, probably), it will work. A nice example (and with a discount, lol! ) http://www.proaudio.com/product_info...oducts_id=7095

So, being given only these tools, one can compute and set X seconds of delay for his headphones located Y meters from the soobwoofer to synchronize sub and hps playback. I am convinced that you can also find some digital (I mean, working on PC) DSPs (Pro Tools ?) with the same function, but I am not familiar with them.