Interesting machine from Luxury n Precision

[Ojisan]

Yes indeed. Same results.

Good news, my watery electronic background noise went away with DSD to PCM mode. But this issue was only with one album out of small DSD albums that I have. Also, my volume with DSD files (during midday noise) is 25-30, so I'd say your P6Pro is most likely working fine. You might have to nail down which specific files causes problem and maybe have Andrew relay the issue to L&P.

 

[ayanachibi]

Good news, my watery electronic background noise went away with DSD to PCM mode. But this issue was only with one album out of small DSD albums that I have. Also, my volume with DSD files (during midday noise) is 25-30, so I'd say your P6Pro is most likely working fine. You might have to nail down which specific files causes problem and maybe have Andrew relay the issue to L&P.

With all of you listening at volume 25-30 NOW I feel like I'm the outlier having never used my player above 9......

Is everyone listening to 90+db or do I have a golden power unit

 

[tone.texture.soul]

Good news, my watery electronic background noise went away with DSD to PCM mode. But this issue was only with one album out of small DSD albums that I have. Also, my volume with DSD files (during midday noise) is 25-30, so I'd say your P6Pro is most likely working fine. You might have to nail down which specific files causes problem and maybe have Andrew relay the issue to L&P.

Interesting. I will do a more thorough testing of my DSD albums trying with PCM conversion on and off again. My DSD albums listening is closer to volume on 40, but I am wondering if it's simply the way they were ripped from SACD. My entire collection comes from SACD isos, and all from one ripping source too. I know that DSD natively have around 4-6 db lower than flac, so this could explain my volume situation, if the ripper did't add back some gain in final export.

I am still in contact with L&P but they haven't responded in a while.

 

[tone.texture.soul]

With all of you listening at volume 25-30 NOW I feel like I'm the outlier having never used my player above 9......

Is everyone listening to 90+db or do I have a golden power unit

Can I ask what your source material is? My HDTracks and similar Flac stuff would be listenable around 20 but not hitting hard enough. Volume at 9 on mine would be extremely quiet.

 

[Ojisan]

With all of you listening at volume 25-30 NOW I feel like I'm the outlier having never used my player above 9......

Is everyone listening to 90+db or do I have a golden power unit

Haha, my DSD files are lower volume than rest of my flac/mp3/etc. With my non-DSD files, I often find myself around 10. Late at night, sometimes I toggle between 0 and 1 wanting something in between The P6Pro volume is not linear and most strange to me...

 

[ayanachibi]

Can I ask what your source material is? My HDTracks and similar Flac stuff would be listenable around 20 but not hitting hard enough. Volume at 9 on mine would be extremely quiet.

All CD lossless or higher FLACs, most of them within 24bit/48-96kHZ, listening volume approx 70-75db

 

[Ojisan]

So here is a test

Let's grab a free FLAC and DSD from here: http://www.2l.no/hires/

I chose a small file from 15th row: Vivaldi: Recitative and Aria from Cantata RV 679, "Che giova il sospirar, povero core"

24/352.8 A (61MB): http://www.lindberg.no/hires/test/2L-056_03_stereo_DXD.flac
DSD256 A (122MB): http://www.lindberg.no/hires/test/2L-056_03_stereo_DSD256.dsf

With my P6 Pro - PWA Orpheus - Traillii, my listening levels are 12 for 24/352.8 and 22 for DSD256. I would bring it down 6 clicks or more for quiet evening listen.

 

[ayanachibi]

So here is a test

Let's grab a free FLAC and DSD from here: http://www.2l.no/hires/

I chose a small file from 15th row: Vivaldi: Recitative and Aria from Cantata RV 679, "Che giova il sospirar, povero core"

24/352.8 A (61MB): http://www.lindberg.no/hires/test/2L-056_03_stereo_DXD.flac
DSD256 A (122MB): http://www.lindberg.no/hires/test/2L-056_03_stereo_DSD256.dsf

With my P6 Pro - PWA Orpheus - Traillii, my listening levels are 12 for 24/352.8 and 22 for DSD256. I would bring it down 6 clicks or more for quiet evening listen.

With the same files on the Annihilator FLAC vol 9, DSD vol 10, normal listening volume, low gain, -1 vol for a more relaxed listening.

I looked up to be safe, the Trailli has an impedance of 21 while the Annihilator impedance is 40 so its a lot harder to drive....for a more equal comparison I used my 1657cu (impedance 24) and volume at 4 FLAC and volume 4 for DSD...all the testing done on low gain.

Either I got a monster power/amp unit in my P6 pro, there's a fairly large variance in either the power/amp units or volume control

Or all y'all hearing busted AF

 

[Ojisan]

With the same files on the Annihilator FLAC vol 9, DSD vol 10, normal listening volume, low gain, -1 vol for a more relaxed listening.

I looked up to be safe, the Trailli has an impedance of 21 while the Annihilator impedance is 40 so its a lot harder to drive....for a more equal comparison I used my 1657cu (impedance 24) and volume at 4 FLAC and volume 4 for DSD...all the testing done on low gain.

Either I got a monster power/amp unit in my P6 pro, there's a fairly large variance in either the power/amp units or volume control

Or all y'all hearing busted AF

Ugh thanks for the confirmation, my hearing must be busted

So you don’t hear much difference between FLAC and DSD?

 

[ayanachibi]

Ugh thanks for the confirmation, my hearing must be busted

So you don’t hear much difference between FLAC and DSD?

There is a slight volume difference but I think it's a matter of scaling...for example if the volume is 20% quieter on the DSD but I'm only on vol 8, then I only need to increase 1-2 for a 10-20% increase.

If you are listening on 12 for flac and a 20% difference then increasing to 16 would be fair....but you seem to turn it up all the way to 22 so this might be the player not have linear scaling.

That said, for some reason the DSD actually played about 5% louder on the 1657cu while on the annihilator the DSD is 10% quieter....I have no idea what happened there.

 

[Towa]

my listening volume with trailli on low gain with standard flac files is 24-26 most of the time, also im on 1.07 firmware and my p6p is a p6 unit that was upgraded. Didn't they change how volume worked in a update earlier this year? I just got my p6p recently so i never experienced it myself but i believe the fixed volume scaling at some point, single digit listening even on high gain is very quiet on my unit so i can't fathom it unless it was pre volume fix firmware.

 

[ayanachibi]

my listening volume with trailli on low gain with standard flac files is 24-26 most of the time, also im on 1.07 firmware and my p6p is a p6 unit that was upgraded. Didn't they change how volume worked in a update earlier this year? I just got my p6p recently so i never experienced it myself but i believe the fixed volume scaling at some point, single digit listening even on high gain is very quiet on my unit so i can't fathom it unless it was pre volume fix firmware.

Except I'm also on 1.0.0.7 (Sept release)

Unless the Traillii has a much higher impedance than 21ohm as stated on paper then I must have an abnormal unit in terms of power out since I'm the only one that uses single digit volume.

I've not had the need to ever increase volume above 9 on low gain between all of my friends' IEMs and mine.

 

[Ojisan]

There is a slight volume difference but I think it's a matter of scaling...for example if the volume is 20% quieter on the DSD but I'm only on vol 8, then I only need to increase 1-2 for a 10-20% increase.

If you are listening on 12 for flac and a 20% difference then increasing to 16 would be fair....but you seem to turn it up all the way to 22 so this might be the player not have linear scaling.

That said, for some reason the DSD actually played about 5% louder on the 1657cu while on the annihilator the DSD is 10% quieter....I have no idea what happened there.

I hear a noticeable volume jump from 8 to 9. Do you? 1 to 8 almost sounds like a linear step. It's hard to put percentages and linear scale to it on this device. 9-11 only has minute change, not enough to cover the FLAC - DSD difference to me. I need at least 14-16 ... without a measurement rig here...

I'm usually well below 15 in low gain so not that far off.

 

[ayanachibi]

I hear a noticeable volume jump from 8 to 9. Do you? 1 to 8 almost sounds like a linear step. It's hard to put percentages and linear scale to it on this device. 9-11 only has minute change, not enough to cover the FLAC - DSD difference to me. I need at least 14-16 ... without a measurement rig here...

I'm usually well below 15 in low gain so not that far off.

There is, 1-8 has moderate scaling, 8-9 has a rather large jump, 9-11 is a smaller jump and 11-12 is somewhat large too. For the first time i tried upping the volume to 16-18...its definitely not TOO bad but its also definitely above 80db which is well above my comfort zone...also the starting range you can start damaging hearing even if its for extended periods.

at 24+ (yes i tried that as well) its hitting 90+dbs

This is again all done on my Annihilator so assuming the paper specs are accurate it should actually be louder for you all on Trailli...

At this point I can't shake the feeling the rest of you have been listening to rather unsafe volumes.

As an additional side note, I had my hearing tested early last year when I got an ear mold done for a couple customs, I can apparently reliably hear as low as 5db so take that as you will. I also generally avoid crowds, and any events I attend either sporting or live concerts I always wear musician earplugs to keep volume at manageable levels.

 

[Ojisan]

There is, 1-8 has moderate scaling, 8-9 has a rather large jump, 9-11 is a smaller jump and 11-12 is somewhat large too. For the first time i tried upping the volume to 16-18...its definitely not TOO bad but its also definitely above 80db which is well above my comfort zone...also the starting range you can start damaging hearing even if its for extended periods.

at 24+ (yes i tried that as well) its hitting 90+dbs

This is again all done on my Annihilator so assuming the paper specs are accurate it should actually be louder for you all on Trailli...

At this point I can't shake the feeling the rest of you have been listening to rather unsafe volumes.

As an additional side note, I had my hearing tested early last year when I got an ear mold done for a couple customs, I can apparently reliably hear as low as 5db so take that as you will. I also generally avoid crowds, and any events I attend either sporting or live concerts I always wear musician earplugs to keep volume at manageable levels.

Are those 80 and 90 dBs numbers with one of the 2L test source mentioned earlier? I can't listen to my own library for long at 20+... it's way louder than the 2L samples we tested.

I can't deny exposure thoug having worked many years in music industry doing well over 500+ shows/year a few decades ago.