IMR RAH - Discussion / Impressions Thread
Nov 17, 2020 at 7:23 PM Post #3,212 of 3,340
I think you can’t compare RAH to Opus Mia, are quite different and I still prefer OM, I think RAH is too dark
 
Nov 23, 2020 at 3:14 PM Post #3,213 of 3,340
I was listening to tingvall trio last night before bed and I really just fell in love with the rah. I really felt like I could hear the weight of the "piano hammers" (roast me please) I got the impression of a shorter decay. Also the double bass may have been on a similar frequency but the decay was much longer I believe. idk that I had ever been able to distinguish those two phrases with such emotion.
 
Nov 23, 2020 at 3:17 PM Post #3,214 of 3,340
I was listening to tingvall trio last night before bed and I really just fell in love with the rah. I really felt like I could hear the weight of the "piano hammers" (roast me please) I got the impression of a shorter decay. Also the double bass may have been on a similar frequency but the decay was much longer I believe. idk that I had ever been able to distinguish those two phrases with such emotion.
I am glad you like the headphones. Enjoy!
 
Nov 28, 2020 at 12:45 PM Post #3,217 of 3,340
For whoever is interested into "yet another opinion", here's my quick notes on the RAH (not a full blown, longterm review)


I got to taste the flavour of a pair of privately owned IMR’s triple-driver RAH model. Not enough to write a full review with all the details etc, but I jotted down some notes, here they are.

The most “externally evident” component of the product is the replaceable nozzle + filter system intended for the user to customise the sound to its liking.

Simply put: nozzles impact on bass frequencies, filters on top of those impact on high frequencies.

According to IMR themselves, this is supposed to be the effect of the back-end nozzles of the various colours on the bass frequencies:

image.png


Oddly enough:
  • The “Purple” nozzle is actually Fuchsia colour
  • Grey and Silver nozzles are almost the same colour, the Silver ones being ever so slightly darker.
  • A total of 8 nozzle pairs are supplied, but the package comes with a holding bar with room for only 6 pairs, plus one mounted on the drivers 7… and the 8th pair? That must evidently be stored elsewhere, like in a lousy plastic bag as I found in the box. Whatever…

As far as front-end filters go, their impact on high frequencies is the following:

image-2.png




As I mentioned before I just had a quick test at these, just a few hours, for which test I employed my usual set of lossless FLACs (mostly 24/96K, with some 24/192 and some 16/44 too) and only 2 sources this time, being
  • My transportable rig: Laptop + ifi nano iUSB3.0 (w/ ifi iPower) + Uptone USPCB A>B Adapter + Apogee Groove [+ Monster 3.5-3.5 cable + Auglamour GR1 amp, only employed in cases, like this one indeed, of multidriver loads]
  • A Lotoo LP5000 DAP loaner unit I’m also playing with these days, set at Damp=H, Gain=L ofc.

Bass

Bass transients are slow, sloppy even, which is a double issue on the Rah: once as this delivers boomy bass no matter how much you fiddle with the nozzles etc, and twice as the dyscrasia with the fast, liquid transients featured on the mid freq planar and high freq piezo drivers comes up totally apparent.
Due to their slowness bass can only be liked by bassheads, and even there you must like quite invasive bass too.
The sole back-nozzle worth adopting for my taste is the Silver one, which is keeping midbass volume unexalted while sadly rolling sub-bass off a bit. All others furtherly pump basses up which is bad for me, with the exception of the Green one which cuts them too dramatically down, and the Fuchsia one doing a similar job to the Silver, but still delivering too much bass for my taste.
So in short: the Silver nozzle is the one doing the lesser damage so to say, with maybe a B-plan option represented by the Fuchsia one.
That’s because, as I said, the Silver avoids to raise the bass presence even more, but even with that, it can’t cure slow bass transients. Rah have and keep “pop-music-style” bass no matter the nozzle you put up, better like them because you won’t have different ones unless you’re ready to EQ the crap out of them.

Mids

Keeping bass at bay at least in terms of their volume level is crucial to have mids come up properly, which is worth it because the central planar driver is quite competent and renders mids and vocals I would say very well, with the sole issue represented by the midbass continuously trying to, and often succeeding in stealing their stage.
Vocals especially are fluid, silky and quite natural. Missing some fat especially on the female side but still very nice in my book.

Treble

The treble end is also quite intersting, where the piezo driver nature is totally apparent and egocentric: you can’t afford letting it go too much, unless you really like that sort of “electrical nuance” added to the most metallic treble details. I kinda like that, but I need moderation in that.
After some fiddling I found that the best compromise filter for me is the Black one.
Blue and (slightly tamed) Black filters offer the airiest treble section. They also feature the “piezoest” timbre, especially in conjunction with their 8K evident peak. Green / Red / Gold filters move that peak over to 9-10K, removing some piezo flavour on one side, but re-adding it even sharper on the top octave, all this while taking some significant air quantity off from high mids especially. No, Blue/Black is better, and on those two I do prefer the more polite Black alternative.
Black filter brushes some extra crispness off and make trebles “almost” inoffensive – they are still on the borderline though.

Overall impression, and technicalities

With a Silver nozzle and a Black filter on top of it, Rah’s presentation is overall very pleasant for my tastes at least. I still find it a bit incoherent in terms of bass slowness vs mid and trebles speed, but I heard much worse.

Of course, pairing Rah with my Groove+GR1 stack gets a significant improvement on the bass end which comes accross much more controlled if not “faster” really. So much so that I might even opt for the Fuchsia backend nozzle!

Sadly, GR1’s limited overall quality adds quite some perceptible veiling while biasing the other drivers especially when I compare the result to what comes out by pairing Rah with the Lotoo LP5000 unit I’m playing with today. LP5000 can’t do anything to make Rah’s bass better (so Silver nozzle it is, at least) and that’s a true pity, but especially on its balanced output it makes the 3 drivers “sing at the same time”.

Basses are not my liking but the Silver nozzle minimises their flow over mid planar’s voices which are truly nice, natural, at times even crystalline. Which make the worst Rah’s defect come up in all its force sometimes: take for example some vocal bass registers, they may be deep enough as to engage the DD at times, and be rendered so different from their higher frequency parts to result by and large ridiculous. A true shame.

Treble in return is airy, detailed, extended and textured: it has all the qualities sadly lacking from the bass section.

Rah’s technicalities cannot be called bad, although they could definitely be better, especially factoring price in.
Soundstage size in particular is no more than above average for the product category, so is imaging which while not a shame is not a masterpiece either.

Detail retrieval is a yes and no: “no” on the bass (which details let alone texture? Everything is covered by that invasive sloppy midbass), “decent” on the mids, when the DD doesn’t play his bad tricks, and “good” (though not “godly”, mind you) on the trebles, although it all depends on the filters one choses (or can afford to choose vis-a-vis his/her treble sensitivity).

One last note about tips. Stock silicon tips are quite stiff and oddly enough their stem is too narrow to properly fit Rah’s filtered nozzles, which introduces further material tension. Result: they accentuate the already elevated bass. After some quick rolling I settled on JVC Spiraldots as a good compromise to avoid furtherly enhancing the bass while not offering a weak flank to piezo sibilance at the same time.
 
Nov 28, 2020 at 2:31 PM Post #3,219 of 3,340
For whoever is interested into "yet another opinion", here's my quick notes on the RAH (not a full blown, longterm review)


I got to taste the flavour of a pair of privately owned IMR’s triple-driver RAH model. Not enough to write a full review with all the details etc, but I jotted down some notes, here they are.

The most “externally evident” component of the product is the replaceable nozzle + filter system intended for the user to customise the sound to its liking.

Simply put: nozzles impact on bass frequencies, filters on top of those impact on high frequencies.

According to IMR themselves, this is supposed to be the effect of the back-end nozzles of the various colours on the bass frequencies:

image.png


Oddly enough:
  • The “Purple” nozzle is actually Fuchsia colour
  • Grey and Silver nozzles are almost the same colour, the Silver ones being ever so slightly darker.
  • A total of 8 nozzle pairs are supplied, but the package comes with a holding bar with room for only 6 pairs, plus one mounted on the drivers 7… and the 8th pair? That must evidently be stored elsewhere, like in a lousy plastic bag as I found in the box. Whatever…

As far as front-end filters go, their impact on high frequencies is the following:

image-2.png




As I mentioned before I just had a quick test at these, just a few hours, for which test I employed my usual set of lossless FLACs (mostly 24/96K, with some 24/192 and some 16/44 too) and only 2 sources this time, being
  • My transportable rig: Laptop + ifi nano iUSB3.0 (w/ ifi iPower) + Uptone USPCB A>B Adapter + Apogee Groove [+ Monster 3.5-3.5 cable + Auglamour GR1 amp, only employed in cases, like this one indeed, of multidriver loads]
  • A Lotoo LP5000 DAP loaner unit I’m also playing with these days, set at Damp=H, Gain=L ofc.

Bass

Bass transients are slow, sloppy even, which is a double issue on the Rah: once as this delivers boomy bass no matter how much you fiddle with the nozzles etc, and twice as the dyscrasia with the fast, liquid transients featured on the mid freq planar and high freq piezo drivers comes up totally apparent.
Due to their slowness bass can only be liked by bassheads, and even there you must like quite invasive bass too.
The sole back-nozzle worth adopting for my taste is the Silver one, which is keeping midbass volume unexalted while sadly rolling sub-bass off a bit. All others furtherly pump basses up which is bad for me, with the exception of the Green one which cuts them too dramatically down, and the Fuchsia one doing a similar job to the Silver, but still delivering too much bass for my taste.
So in short: the Silver nozzle is the one doing the lesser damage so to say, with maybe a B-plan option represented by the Fuchsia one.
That’s because, as I said, the Silver avoids to raise the bass presence even more, but even with that, it can’t cure slow bass transients. Rah have and keep “pop-music-style” bass no matter the nozzle you put up, better like them because you won’t have different ones unless you’re ready to EQ the crap out of them.

Mids

Keeping bass at bay at least in terms of their volume level is crucial to have mids come up properly, which is worth it because the central planar driver is quite competent and renders mids and vocals I would say very well, with the sole issue represented by the midbass continuously trying to, and often succeeding in stealing their stage.
Vocals especially are fluid, silky and quite natural. Missing some fat especially on the female side but still very nice in my book.

Treble

The treble end is also quite intersting, where the piezo driver nature is totally apparent and egocentric: you can’t afford letting it go too much, unless you really like that sort of “electrical nuance” added to the most metallic treble details. I kinda like that, but I need moderation in that.
After some fiddling I found that the best compromise filter for me is the Black one.
Blue and (slightly tamed) Black filters offer the airiest treble section. They also feature the “piezoest” timbre, especially in conjunction with their 8K evident peak. Green / Red / Gold filters move that peak over to 9-10K, removing some piezo flavour on one side, but re-adding it even sharper on the top octave, all this while taking some significant air quantity off from high mids especially. No, Blue/Black is better, and on those two I do prefer the more polite Black alternative.
Black filter brushes some extra crispness off and make trebles “almost” inoffensive – they are still on the borderline though.

Overall impression, and technicalities

With a Silver nozzle and a Black filter on top of it, Rah’s presentation is overall very pleasant for my tastes at least. I still find it a bit incoherent in terms of bass slowness vs mid and trebles speed, but I heard much worse.

Of course, pairing Rah with my Groove+GR1 stack gets a significant improvement on the bass end which comes accross much more controlled if not “faster” really. So much so that I might even opt for the Fuchsia backend nozzle!

Sadly, GR1’s limited overall quality adds quite some perceptible veiling while biasing the other drivers especially when I compare the result to what comes out by pairing Rah with the Lotoo LP5000 unit I’m playing with today. LP5000 can’t do anything to make Rah’s bass better (so Silver nozzle it is, at least) and that’s a true pity, but especially on its balanced output it makes the 3 drivers “sing at the same time”.

Basses are not my liking but the Silver nozzle minimises their flow over mid planar’s voices which are truly nice, natural, at times even crystalline. Which make the worst Rah’s defect come up in all its force sometimes: take for example some vocal bass registers, they may be deep enough as to engage the DD at times, and be rendered so different from their higher frequency parts to result by and large ridiculous. A true shame.

Treble in return is airy, detailed, extended and textured: it has all the qualities sadly lacking from the bass section.

Rah’s technicalities cannot be called bad, although they could definitely be better, especially factoring price in.
Soundstage size in particular is no more than above average for the product category, so is imaging which while not a shame is not a masterpiece either.

Detail retrieval is a yes and no: “no” on the bass (which details let alone texture? Everything is covered by that invasive sloppy midbass), “decent” on the mids, when the DD doesn’t play his bad tricks, and “good” (though not “godly”, mind you) on the trebles, although it all depends on the filters one choses (or can afford to choose vis-a-vis his/her treble sensitivity).

One last note about tips. Stock silicon tips are quite stiff and oddly enough their stem is too narrow to properly fit Rah’s filtered nozzles, which introduces further material tension. Result: they accentuate the already elevated bass. After some quick rolling I settled on JVC Spiraldots as a good compromise to avoid furtherly enhancing the bass while not offering a weak flank to piezo sibilance at the same time.
Interesting. As has been noted in this and numerous threads we all hear differently. I agree about the tips. I don't find any pleasure in the included IMR tips. Many of us have found the greatest pleasure from RAH with wide bore shallow tips like the Tennmak Whirlwind or Azla Sedna. I'm listening to them right now with Sednas and absolutely love them: Depth Width, Musicality and Detail.
I'd be curious to know how many cumulative hours of use or burn-in the set you've been auditioning has on them. Mine continued improving far past 150 hours and at about 70 hours just plain got "muddy" sounding.
 
Nov 28, 2020 at 3:46 PM Post #3,220 of 3,340
I'd be curious to know how many cumulative hours of use or burn-in the set you've been auditioning has on them. Mine continued improving far past 150 hours and at about 70 hours just plain got "muddy" sounding.

You have a VERY good point. I doubt the owner has burnt it in more than 50-60 hours, he was a bit meh on them, and asked my opinion lending them to me for a while. I didn't burn them further. I'll prompt the guy to try leaving them on for a couple of weeks. Worst case, they'll stay the same. I'll update if there's news!
 
Nov 28, 2020 at 3:50 PM Post #3,221 of 3,340
You have a VERY good point. I doubt the owner has burnt it in more than 50-60 hours, he was a bit meh on them, and asked my opinion lending them to me for a while. I didn't burn them further. I'll prompt the guy to try leaving them on for a couple of weeks. Worst case, they'll stay the same. I'll update if there's news!
Mine went from good out of the box to very good, to just plain awful at about 70 hours to spectacular. Let 'em run for a full week and come back to them, you'll find them to be VERY different!
 
Nov 28, 2020 at 4:37 PM Post #3,222 of 3,340
For whoever is interested into "yet another opinion", here's my quick notes on the RAH (not a full blown, longterm review)


I got to taste the flavour of a pair of privately owned IMR’s triple-driver RAH model. Not enough to write a full review with all the details etc, but I jotted down some notes, here they are.

The most “externally evident” component of the product is the replaceable nozzle + filter system intended for the user to customise the sound to its liking.

Simply put: nozzles impact on bass frequencies, filters on top of those impact on high frequencies.

According to IMR themselves, this is supposed to be the effect of the back-end nozzles of the various colours on the bass frequencies:

image.png


Oddly enough:
  • The “Purple” nozzle is actually Fuchsia colour
  • Grey and Silver nozzles are almost the same colour, the Silver ones being ever so slightly darker.
  • A total of 8 nozzle pairs are supplied, but the package comes with a holding bar with room for only 6 pairs, plus one mounted on the drivers 7… and the 8th pair? That must evidently be stored elsewhere, like in a lousy plastic bag as I found in the box. Whatever…

As far as front-end filters go, their impact on high frequencies is the following:

image-2.png




As I mentioned before I just had a quick test at these, just a few hours, for which test I employed my usual set of lossless FLACs (mostly 24/96K, with some 24/192 and some 16/44 too) and only 2 sources this time, being
  • My transportable rig: Laptop + ifi nano iUSB3.0 (w/ ifi iPower) + Uptone USPCB A>B Adapter + Apogee Groove [+ Monster 3.5-3.5 cable + Auglamour GR1 amp, only employed in cases, like this one indeed, of multidriver loads]
  • A Lotoo LP5000 DAP loaner unit I’m also playing with these days, set at Damp=H, Gain=L ofc.

Bass

Bass transients are slow, sloppy even, which is a double issue on the Rah: once as this delivers boomy bass no matter how much you fiddle with the nozzles etc, and twice as the dyscrasia with the fast, liquid transients featured on the mid freq planar and high freq piezo drivers comes up totally apparent.
Due to their slowness bass can only be liked by bassheads, and even there you must like quite invasive bass too.
The sole back-nozzle worth adopting for my taste is the Silver one, which is keeping midbass volume unexalted while sadly rolling sub-bass off a bit. All others furtherly pump basses up which is bad for me, with the exception of the Green one which cuts them too dramatically down, and the Fuchsia one doing a similar job to the Silver, but still delivering too much bass for my taste.
So in short: the Silver nozzle is the one doing the lesser damage so to say, with maybe a B-plan option represented by the Fuchsia one.
That’s because, as I said, the Silver avoids to raise the bass presence even more, but even with that, it can’t cure slow bass transients. Rah have and keep “pop-music-style” bass no matter the nozzle you put up, better like them because you won’t have different ones unless you’re ready to EQ the crap out of them.

Mids

Keeping bass at bay at least in terms of their volume level is crucial to have mids come up properly, which is worth it because the central planar driver is quite competent and renders mids and vocals I would say very well, with the sole issue represented by the midbass continuously trying to, and often succeeding in stealing their stage.
Vocals especially are fluid, silky and quite natural. Missing some fat especially on the female side but still very nice in my book.

Treble

The treble end is also quite intersting, where the piezo driver nature is totally apparent and egocentric: you can’t afford letting it go too much, unless you really like that sort of “electrical nuance” added to the most metallic treble details. I kinda like that, but I need moderation in that.
After some fiddling I found that the best compromise filter for me is the Black one.
Blue and (slightly tamed) Black filters offer the airiest treble section. They also feature the “piezoest” timbre, especially in conjunction with their 8K evident peak. Green / Red / Gold filters move that peak over to 9-10K, removing some piezo flavour on one side, but re-adding it even sharper on the top octave, all this while taking some significant air quantity off from high mids especially. No, Blue/Black is better, and on those two I do prefer the more polite Black alternative.
Black filter brushes some extra crispness off and make trebles “almost” inoffensive – they are still on the borderline though.

Overall impression, and technicalities

With a Silver nozzle and a Black filter on top of it, Rah’s presentation is overall very pleasant for my tastes at least. I still find it a bit incoherent in terms of bass slowness vs mid and trebles speed, but I heard much worse.

Of course, pairing Rah with my Groove+GR1 stack gets a significant improvement on the bass end which comes accross much more controlled if not “faster” really. So much so that I might even opt for the Fuchsia backend nozzle!

Sadly, GR1’s limited overall quality adds quite some perceptible veiling while biasing the other drivers especially when I compare the result to what comes out by pairing Rah with the Lotoo LP5000 unit I’m playing with today. LP5000 can’t do anything to make Rah’s bass better (so Silver nozzle it is, at least) and that’s a true pity, but especially on its balanced output it makes the 3 drivers “sing at the same time”.

Basses are not my liking but the Silver nozzle minimises their flow over mid planar’s voices which are truly nice, natural, at times even crystalline. Which make the worst Rah’s defect come up in all its force sometimes: take for example some vocal bass registers, they may be deep enough as to engage the DD at times, and be rendered so different from their higher frequency parts to result by and large ridiculous. A true shame.

Treble in return is airy, detailed, extended and textured: it has all the qualities sadly lacking from the bass section.

Rah’s technicalities cannot be called bad, although they could definitely be better, especially factoring price in.
Soundstage size in particular is no more than above average for the product category, so is imaging which while not a shame is not a masterpiece either.

Detail retrieval is a yes and no: “no” on the bass (which details let alone texture? Everything is covered by that invasive sloppy midbass), “decent” on the mids, when the DD doesn’t play his bad tricks, and “good” (though not “godly”, mind you) on the trebles, although it all depends on the filters one choses (or can afford to choose vis-a-vis his/her treble sensitivity).

One last note about tips. Stock silicon tips are quite stiff and oddly enough their stem is too narrow to properly fit Rah’s filtered nozzles, which introduces further material tension. Result: they accentuate the already elevated bass. After some quick rolling I settled on JVC Spiraldots as a good compromise to avoid furtherly enhancing the bass while not offering a weak flank to piezo sibilance at the same time.
Okay. I only listened to a unit with no burn-in and just for an hour, I sent them back because of the leakage so I’m not invested in this, but I think I disagree fundamentally on the basic concept of bass. I have DD iems where the bass hits like a brick then crawls away slow as a barge, and all-BA sets where it’s thin and incredibly fast. For me the IMR drivers are not slow or lacking in detail. They are an interpretation of bass as a physical thing that vibrates and slams and decays on its own. Quite true to nature.
Anyway, the DD is the foundation of the IMR house sound, so if you don’t like it the entire line will disappoint you I think. Maybe not the units with a titanium driver for the lows. When you need to reach for the filters that tame bass the most - IMR is not your jam.
I found the Rah so competitive in detail retrieval and natural timbre with pretty much anything I’ve heard up to $1000 that I struggle to get the massive objections. But I know I hate many things most people love, so I can only deduct we hear things differently and I think it’s cool that you paid so much interest.
 
Nov 29, 2020 at 2:47 AM Post #3,223 of 3,340
For me the IMR drivers are not slow or lacking in detail. They are an interpretation of bass as a physical thing that vibrates and slams and decays on its own. Quite true to nature.

Well this is debateable but debate is why we're here after all isnt' it :) I'm in line with you until "they are an interpretation of bass". I disagree on "true to nature". Not all bass has slow decay. It all depends on the timbre of the instrument (acoustic or electronic) playing it !

That said, my main problem with RAH is not in its invasive bass decay - which I counter-prefer, but that is 101% subjective ofc - rather in the border effects which take place in its vicinities: the planar taking responsibility of the mids is -oppositely- extremely fast in its transients; when a tenor (man or sax...) is singing something, some of his notes are rendered by the planar, some by the dd, the diversified decays thereof generate a very odd, un-natural effect. Imo, of course :)
 
Nov 29, 2020 at 3:19 PM Post #3,224 of 3,340
Well, I did it! I rolled the dice. I just sent out my RAHs to be re-shelled as as CIEMs and I'm pretty excited. I absolutely LOVE the RAHs but I always wanted better isolation and I didn't have the budget to scale up to Semper at this time but I did have a couple hundred bucks in my PayPal "play" account so I'm getting customs! I had a lot of back and forth discussion with the re-sheller and he requested that I include my nozzle / filter combo so he can measure and match. The RAHs when burned in and dialed in really are stunning so I cant wait to get the finished product. In the strictest sense they wont really be a RAH any more because the tunability will be gone, but once I dialed them in to my preference, I wasn't filter rolling anyway. This is going to be either a full on train wreck or a magnificent thing of beauty. All that clarity, warmth and detail from the Planar + Piezo with all that down low goodness from that big beryllium DD. I expect to have them sometime between mid to end January. Looking forward to sharing the result with you.
 
Nov 29, 2020 at 7:23 PM Post #3,225 of 3,340
@holsen, I am shipping my RAH as well together with my old customs for reshelling later in the afternoon, including some audio note (AN) silver cable for the internal wiring. If you are fine to redo the internal wiring with AN, I can drop him a message for yours as well.
 

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