iFi audio ZEN Stream - Streaming elevated to a higher plane
Jun 22, 2022 at 4:22 PM Post #4,261 of 5,865
I haven't looked through all 284 pages of this thread, but is there a recovery firmware of sorts that I could put on a USB stick to recover an unresponsive Stream? I bought a Stream and it appears to be dead on arrival. It can turn on, but the 2 big indicator LEDs briefly flash once when I turn on the unit, then go dark and never turn on again. The hotspot button doesn't work, it cannot get an IP address from my router via ethernet, and the Power button cannot turn the device off. I used the reset procedure on the device to no avail. I was using a demo Stream unit over the past several days and that one worked flawlessly in the exact same setup, so it seems like I just got a bad unit.

I'm going to go back to the dealer and exchange this unit for a different one, but I'm curious why the Zen Stream wasn't an option in the Downloads section at iFi support. This seems like the sort of device that would offer an external firmware recovery option given that there's a USB port for firmware upgrades, like the BIOS flashback mechanisms on some PC motherboards. Maybe it was on another page that I missed.
 
Jun 22, 2022 at 4:25 PM Post #4,262 of 5,865
I haven't looked through all 284 pages of this thread, but is there a recovery firmware of sorts that I could put on a USB stick to recover an unresponsive Stream? I bought a Stream and it appears to be dead on arrival. It can turn on, but the 2 big indicator LEDs briefly flash once when I turn on the unit, then go dark and never turn on again. The hotspot button doesn't work, it cannot get an IP address from my router via ethernet, and the Power button cannot turn the device off. I used the reset procedure on the device to no avail. I was using a demo Stream unit over the past several days and that one worked flawlessly in the exact same setup, so it seems like I just got a bad unit.

I'm going to go back to the dealer and exchange this unit for a different one, but I'm curious why the Zen Stream wasn't an option in the Downloads section at iFi support. This seems like the sort of device that would offer an external firmware recovery option given that there's a USB port for firmware upgrades, like the BIOS flashback mechanisms on some PC motherboards. Maybe it was on another page that I missed.
Try going thru the setup procedure in the first post of the thread in my signature, seems to sort out allot of issues.

Let us know, might saver you a trip!

Cheers!!
 
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Jun 23, 2022 at 1:26 PM Post #4,263 of 5,865
Try going thru the setup procedure in the first post of the thread in my signature, seems to sort out allot of issues.

Let us know, might saver you a trip!

Cheers!!
Thanks for the help! Unfortunately, it didn't seem to work. I did the reset procedure as you described in your post, but it's still the same. No lights, no network address, no connectivity. I think I will have to exchange it (the dealer is near my office anyways), but I appreciate the assistance.
 
Jun 23, 2022 at 6:15 PM Post #4,264 of 5,865
Thanks for the help! Unfortunately, it didn't seem to work. I did the reset procedure as you described in your post, but it's still the same. No lights, no network address, no connectivity. I think I will have to exchange it (the dealer is near my office anyways), but I appreciate the assistance.
So you are aware it may just be a power supply issue, if you got a 9v try another PS...

Anywhere between 9-15v is acceptable.

Initially I had a PS issue, in my case I had to hold the power on button for 2-3 seconds before the unit powered on, then worked fine. But I had a bad PS.

Cheers!!
 
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Jun 27, 2022 at 6:38 AM Post #4,265 of 5,865
My ifi went up in smoke! Switched it on this morning, the lights came on and then I saw ( and smelt) a whiff of smoke coming from the rear seam. Hurriedly unplugged it.
Anyone have a similar experience??? Thankfully its still under warranty. Back it goes, but now I'm without a streamer for the dac.
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 6:47 AM Post #4,266 of 5,865
My ifi went up in smoke! Switched it on this morning, the lights came on and then I saw ( and smelt) a whiff of smoke coming from the rear seam. Hurriedly unplugged it.
Anyone have a similar experience??? Thankfully its still under warranty. Back it goes, but now I'm without a streamer for the dac.
Did you use a specific power supply?
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 7:02 AM Post #4,267 of 5,865
I've got to say after all this time I'm quite disappointed with Ifi's streamer. I'm constantly fighting with it,I can't just relax and play my music on it, I always have to tinker or restart and get frustrated

* When playing from a DLNA source, previous/next seeking doesn't work on ifi stream IOS app. No matter what I do (playlist/album,queue)
* Search albums/artist/etc doesnt work when playing from DLNA source
* Changing output from spdif/usb often requires restart which is quite slow.
* Sometimes it doesn't show as DLNA player destination - restart needed
* I see "null" all over the place in columns when browsing music.. I don't see this in my other devices
* Airplay doesn't work when output directly from apple music. works when whole computer airplays to ifi, but then i need to restart ifi first/
* No Qobuz as source, no Chromecast.. Qobuz at minimum should be possible
* Their App ui is quite primitive and looks like something from 1999

.. other little niggles always giving me headaches

Ifi really need to get working on the software and improve things drastically, hire better software team. It feels like I'm a product tester. I regret spending so much money on it and it's tarnished ifi's reputation for me.
 
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Jun 27, 2022 at 7:53 AM Post #4,268 of 5,865
I found that ifi Zen stream worsens the network when it is not playing.Power up the ZS and ping the ZS ,it takes more than 30ms and sometimes more than 100ms.When I push local music to ZS,the round trip is only 4ms or so.Similar thing happens when I ping the router,10 ms when ZS is playing ,2ms when not.It seems the ZS is repeatedly broadcast its existence and thus pollute the network.
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 7:58 AM Post #4,269 of 5,865
I found that ifi Zen stream worsens the network when it is not playing.Power up the ZS and ping the ZS ,it takes more than 30ms and sometimes more than 100ms.When I push local music to ZS,the round trip is only 4ms or so.Similar thing happens when I ping the router,10 ms when ZS is playing ,2ms when not.It seems the ZS is repeatedly broadcast its existence and thus pollute the network.
10ms when ZS is not playing 2ms when it is
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 8:10 AM Post #4,270 of 5,865
Streaming elevated to a higher plane

Introducing ZEN Stream: a flexible and affordable Wi-Fi audio transport, equipped to unleash the full potential of every digital music source – from online streaming to local network storage

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iFi audio ZEN Stream is our latest addition to the award-winning ZEN Series of compact and affordable audio devices, designed to deliver flexible, high-quality network streaming to any audio environment.

Described as a ‘Wi-Fi audio transport’, the ZEN Stream acts as a bridge between your Wi-Fi network and your audio system. It connects to a router via Wi-Fi or Ethernet cable, and outputs to an external DAC via USB or S/PDIF. Its open-source architecture makes it flexible and future-proof; its purpose-built hardware and software deliver excellent sound quality; and its price makes it an eminently affordable solution for high-performance network audio streaming.

Open-source architecture – audio streaming unleashed

Many audio streaming devices lock users into a specific platform. But, if they want to select their preferred streaming platforms and apps without restriction, with the ability to adapt and evolve as requirements change, a device with an open-source architecture offers clear advantages. Raspberry Pi is a popular open-source single-board computer that's effective, inexpensive and not tied to a specific platform. As such it gives the user plenty of streaming options, but also is complicated to set up and has not been designed and optimised for high-performance audio straight from the box.

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The ZEN Stream offers the best of both worlds in one unique package. Its open-source architecture ensures the user is not tied to a specific platform or app, offering a wealth of options and the ability to add more via programmable firmware. Its Linux-based operating system offers exceptional flexibility, with the streaming community encouraged to work with iFi to create additional features to add down the line via OTA (Over The Air) updates.

The ZEN Stream has been designed from the ground up for the sole purpose of high-quality audio streaming. The hardware has been built to deliver the best possible sound quality, working in perfect harmony with iFi’s in-house software development. From the device drivers, to the kernel (the heart of the operating system), to the shell (which interfaces with the kernel), to the applications and the user interface, everything is fully optimised for seamless operation and excellent sonic performance.

Superb sound, no matter how you stream

The ZEN Stream’s hi-res audio credentials are top-notch, supporting PCM up to 32-bit/384kHz and DSD up to 11.2MHz (DSD256) over Wi-Fi – highly unusual – as well as over Ethernet cable. There are multiple ways in which the device can interface with your music collection or favourite streaming service, depending on the user’s preference, and thanks to the ZEN Stream’s open-source architecture these will expand over time. Here are some of the options provided at launch:

§ Integrated Tidal Connect and Spotify Connect
Users of these hugely popular online music services can stream directly from the Tidal and Spotify apps – simple, seamless and effective.

§ DLNA certification
Any DLNA-compatible streaming app – including iFi’s forthcoming Stream-iFi app – can be used to control the ZEN Stream and access audio content from online services and DLNA-certified network storage devices.

§ AirPlay and Chromecast
Integrated Airplay and Chromecast ensures easy streaming from Apple and Android devices. AirPlay is included at launch; Chromecast will be added as a free firmware update later this year.

§ Roon compatibility
The Roon platform has become the standard-bearer for high-quality digital music management and streaming – a great interface, strong flexibility and high-quality sound are all benefits, although Roon-compatible hardware does not tend to come cheap. At launch, the ZEN Stream is compatible with Roon Bridge software, making in suitable for a Roon environment, and full Roon Ready certification is in the pipeline – a tempting proposition given the ZEN Stream’s affordable price point. With the ZEN Stream, you can add Roon compatibility to any DAC on the planet.

§ NAA operation
The ZEN Stream can operate as an NAA (Network Audio Adapter) in conjunction with Sygnalist HQPlayer software – favoured by many serious music streaming enthusiasts. This means it can direct packets of audio data received over Wi-Fi or Ethernet cable straight to the connected DAC without applying any processing whatsoever.

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iFi delivers hot exclusives

An ingenious part of the ZEN Stream’s design is the ability to select between ‘exclusive modes’ – individual settings that deliver fully optimised performance by focusing operation on one particular mode of use. The following modes are provided:

§ All-in-one
This non-specific mode is great for all platforms, audio formats and devices.

§ DLNA streaming
Select this mode to optimise performance when using the ZEN Stream with DLNA-compatible apps and devices.

§ NAA streaming
Select this mode when using the ZEN Stream as a Network Audio Adapter in conjunction with Signalyst HQPlayer software.

§ Roon Bridge streaming
Select this mode when integrating the ZEN Stream into a ROON environment.

§ Tidal streaming
If you’re a subscriber to Tidal’s Masters Tier and use it exclusively, this is the mode for you.

Built for sonic brilliance

Outwardly, the ZEN Stream is encased in the distinctive dark grey aluminium extrusion that houses every device in iFi’s ZEN Series. Its silver-coloured aluminium faceplate sports two multi-colour LEDs – one to indicate internet/intranet connection and speed; the other to show the incoming audio format and sample rate (these LEDs may be switched off if preferred). There are just two buttons: the power switch and a ‘hotspot’ button, the latter used to join a Wi-Fi network.

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While there is no display other than the status LEDs, all information about the music being streamed will be displayed on the control app selected by the user. iFi has taken the decision that it is better to focus on performance and value-for-money, rather than increase cost by incorporating a display that would arguably be superfluous to the end-user.

Around the back, alongside the Wi-Fi antenna, reside an array of sockets and ports. Dual-band Wi-Fi reception supports 802.11a/b/g/n/ac for a fast, reliable wireless connection, while a high-grade Gigabit Ethernet port supplies a cabled network option of the highest quality. There’s also a USB-A input, giving the option of playing music from HDD and solid-state storage devices, and a USB-C programming port to upload software/firmware updates (an alternative to OTA updates via Wi-Fi).

Two digital outputs – asynchronous USB and coaxial S/PDIF – provide connection to an external DAC, and are regulated by iFi’s femto-precision GMT (Global Master Timing) clock circuitry to eradicate jitter from the digital signal. The USB ports – both input and output – support SuperSpeed USB3.0 and benefit from iFi’s ANC II active noise cancellation to remove distortion from the audio signal. Similarly, the S/PDIF output incorporates iFi’s iPurifier technology.

The ZEN Stream’s circuit design has been painstakingly engineered to deliver superb sound, with processing muscle supplied by a 64-bit, quad-core ARM Cortex microprocessor. This is accompanied by carefully chosen circuit components including discrete, high-grade surface-mounted devices such as TDK C0G multilayer ceramic capacitors and inductors from Taiyo Yuden and Murata.

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Regulators with high PSRR (Power Supply Rejection Ratio), low idle current and low dropout voltage are used, together with a synchronous 1.5MHz high-speed power supply controller, further contributing to the ZEN Stream’s pure, distortion-free performance. As befits an audiophile-grade device, the ZEN Stream does not incorporate a noisy fan – instead, iFi has designed low-profile heatsinks to prevent overheating whilst maintaining the unit’s compact size.

Fab and affordable

Fusing state-of-the-art hi-res sound with open-source versatility, the iFi ZEN Stream is a uniquely specified network audio streaming transport at a refreshingly affordable RRP of £399 (€399, $399) – available from selected retailers from 25 June.
Seems like a decent deal for what you get. not as good as a DIY Raspbery Pi based Id think.
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 10:48 AM Post #4,271 of 5,865
I haven't looked through all 284 pages of this thread, but is there a recovery firmware of sorts that I could put on a USB stick to recover an unresponsive Stream? I bought a Stream and it appears to be dead on arrival. It can turn on, but the 2 big indicator LEDs briefly flash once when I turn on the unit, then go dark and never turn on again. The hotspot button doesn't work, it cannot get an IP address from my router via ethernet, and the Power button cannot turn the device off. I used the reset procedure on the device to no avail. I was using a demo Stream unit over the past several days and that one worked flawlessly in the exact same setup, so it seems like I just got a bad unit.

I'm going to go back to the dealer and exchange this unit for a different one, but I'm curious why the Zen Stream wasn't an option in the Downloads section at iFi support. This seems like the sort of device that would offer an external firmware recovery option given that there's a USB port for firmware upgrades, like the BIOS flashback mechanisms on some PC motherboards. Maybe it was on another page that I missed.

There is not at this time.

The firmware for the Zen Stream isn't downloadable because there isn't an external way to boot it from a PC or a similar solution.

It is only available from the browser IP or the app since it is an internal system update.


@Barone Birra I asked same question very recently if you go back through the thread- I received some excellent responses: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/ifi...-a-higher-plane.958391/page-278#post-16963831
Magic cheers @endless402 and thanks Sebastien. I did have a Qutest in a different system a while back, loved that, but tried to do a system with a more modest budget this time, and the Mojo 2 does sound pretty good. Noticeable guessing from memory- maybe is less soundstage. I think there was some work done to properly implement a desktop mode on the Mojo 2. I briefly tried a few different things and as @Sebastien Chiu said- switching off the ZS seemed to stop the Mojo charging and that's enough to drop it out of Desktop mode, which probably then means the Mojo 2 charging on, off etc and could just ruin the battery over time- and/or not even charge it enough in the short term. Think I did notice a tiny bit more harshness running off the mains, but, could just be because the Mojo 2 was running off battery. Have been considering getting an iPower X to power the Mojo 2, but not heard any feedback on that. I did ask about PSUs in the Mojo 2 forum but crickets on that question. iPower X for ZS and for BT modem/ethernet switch/router are on the list first though.... but maybe iPower X 5v for the Mojo 2 should be higher on the list than a 12V for the modem/router/ethernet switch....:thinking::thinking:

Thank you!


Is there any solution to run PC audio through the Zen Stream wired, like via the USB storage input?

Chain is Tidal > Zen Stream > Iris via USB > Pontus via I2S > Lokius > Amps

The ZS is great for the streaming aspect but I'm wondering if there's a way for me to hear my PC through the chain.

I believe it's designed in a way where this isn't possible.

My ifi went up in smoke! Switched it on this morning, the lights came on and then I saw ( and smelt) a whiff of smoke coming from the rear seam. Hurriedly unplugged it.
Anyone have a similar experience??? Thankfully its still under warranty. Back it goes, but now I'm without a streamer for the dac.

What PSU were you using with it? Anything odd you noticed operations-wise beforehand?

I've got to say after all this time I'm quite disappointed with Ifi's streamer. I'm constantly fighting with it,I can't just relax and play my music on it, I always have to tinker or restart and get frustrated

* When playing from a DLNA source, previous/next seeking doesn't work on ifi stream IOS app. No matter what I do (playlist/album,queue)
* Search albums/artist/etc doesnt work when playing from DLNA source
* Changing output from spdif/usb often requires restart which is quite slow.
* Sometimes it doesn't show as DLNA player destination - restart needed
* I see "null" all over the place in columns when browsing music.. I don't see this in my other devices
* Airplay doesn't work when output directly from apple music. works when whole computer airplays to ifi, but then i need to restart ifi first/
* No Qobuz as source, no Chromecast.. Qobuz at minimum should be possible
* Their App ui is quite primitive and looks like something from 1999

.. other little niggles always giving me headaches

Ifi really need to get working on the software and improve things drastically, hire better software team. It feels like I'm a product tester. I regret spending so much money on it and it's tarnished ifi's reputation for me.

Hi there, thanks for your feedback and we understand your frustrations. We appreciate you giving us a shot and trying us out!
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 5:33 PM Post #4,272 of 5,865
Zaurux said:
... It will not evolve anymore: same OS (Volumio2), same kernel,...

I asked our development team to see if there was an update we could provide for you soon.
...
They are not easy to contact ... :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: or they are in the multiverse ... in another dimension ... a kind of stream ... Zen ! :sweat_smile:
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 9:09 PM Post #4,273 of 5,865
I've got to say after all this time I'm quite disappointed with Ifi's streamer. I'm constantly fighting with it,I can't just relax and play my music on it, I always have to tinker or restart and get frustrated

* When playing from a DLNA source, previous/next seeking doesn't work on ifi stream IOS app. No matter what I do (playlist/album,queue)
* Search albums/artist/etc doesnt work when playing from DLNA source
* Changing output from spdif/usb often requires restart which is quite slow.
* Sometimes it doesn't show as DLNA player destination - restart needed
* I see "null" all over the place in columns when browsing music.. I don't see this in my other devices
* Airplay doesn't work when output directly from apple music. works when whole computer airplays to ifi, but then i need to restart ifi first/
* No Qobuz as source, no Chromecast.. Qobuz at minimum should be possible
* Their App ui is quite primitive and looks like something from 1999

.. other little niggles always giving me headaches

Ifi really need to get working on the software and improve things drastically, hire better software team. It feels like I'm a product tester. I regret spending so much money on it and it's tarnished ifi's reputation for me.
I have the same problem as you, so I kept stream and use wiim instead.
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 10:59 PM Post #4,274 of 5,865
What PSU were you using with it? Anything odd you noticed operations-wise beforehand?
The generic supply it came with. No, nothing odd. Worked fine until I switched it on yesterday. Btw, the psu is still working. I tested it. The smoke was coming from the region of the usb board. Checked the usb cable as well, all fine there.
 
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Jun 29, 2022 at 2:54 AM Post #4,275 of 5,865
I've raised a repair request with the dealer. The zs switches on but is not discoverable in wired mode. In hotspot mode the app attempts to connect but I just see the spinning circle. I'm so glad that whatever happened didn't carry thru to the gustard u18 and x26pro.
 

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