iFi Audio Nano iDSD discussion + impression
Oct 20, 2014 at 4:35 PM Post #886 of 2,063
   
Hi,
 
Onkyo HF Player only runs on iOS.
 
Some background info here:
http://www.uk.onkyo.com/en/articles/onkyo-hf-player-app-offers-precision-equalizer-192-24-playback-on-ios-devices-96729.html
 
If you wish to play standard/hi-res audio on Android you need to have an Android capable of UAPP.
 
You can open a support ticket:
 
http://support.ifi-audio.com/
 
And one of the staff will email through a pdf on Android and UAPP.

Onkyo have brought out an hf app for android and it works with the stoner acoustics ud100 dac,I use UAPP on my android phone and its great with the nano(different class),but is there any reason the hf android app wont work with the nano?
 
Oct 20, 2014 at 5:13 PM Post #887 of 2,063
  Onkyo have brought out an hf app for android and it works with the stoner acoustics ud100 dac,I use UAPP on my android phone and its great with the nano(different class),but is there any reason the hf android app wont work with the nano?


Hi,
 
No reason why it should not.
 
Have forwarded your comments to our tech people to take a look at.
 
Please give us sometime to look into this.
 
Thanks.
 
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Oct 22, 2014 at 4:53 AM Post #889 of 2,063
  cheers! My oneplus one works 'natively' with the stoner dac,HRT music streamer 2 and Fiio e7,it would be cool if the best DAC in my collection would!


Hi,
 
We are still testing HF player, for now USB Audio with Android is still very variable, different devices react differently.
 
Getting USB to play via android's own sound system requires USB Audio Class 1 Devices which are limited to 96KHz sample rate or lower and cannot handle DSD.
 
Thanks.
 
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Oct 22, 2014 at 8:13 AM Post #890 of 2,063
 
Hi,
 
We are still testing HF player, for now USB Audio with Android is still very variable, different devices react differently.
 
Getting USB to play via android's own sound system requires USB Audio Class 1 Devices which are limited to 96KHz sample rate or lower and cannot handle DSD.
 
Thanks.

This is what the eXtream Software Development - AKA UAPP- say about Onkyo HF -  "The Onkyo player is for USB devices that are host (and the Android acting as a USB accessory). Unless the iFi has some kind of dual mode, this is probably not going to work".
 
Oct 22, 2014 at 9:40 AM Post #891 of 2,063
The Onkyo HF Player running on an Android-powered Samsung Galaxy Note 3 can play DSD files and output legacy PCM streams (i.e. PCM conversion) to a standard USB DAC. These PCM streams are only 16/48 streams due to the current 16/48  limitation of the Android media player framework.
 
USB Audio Player PRO (UAPP) running on a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 can play DSD files and output DSD over PCM (DoP) streams (i.e. "DSD native") to a DoP USB DAC.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/4965#post_10660323
 
 
The Onkyo HF Player, like Neutron or other usual music player, uses the service provided by the native USB audio (currently implemented by the Android device maker using the Android media player framework).
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/5550#post_10974392
If Neutron or the stock music player, running on a given Android device, can't work with a given USB DAC; then the Onkyo HF player, running on that Android device, won't work with that USB DAC.
 
UAPP doesn't use the Android media player framework. It has its own USB audio soft driver, the best Android USB audio implementation so far (i.e. most compatible, best sound quality).
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/5550#post_10974215
 
Oct 22, 2014 at 10:45 AM Post #892 of 2,063
  The Onkyo HF Player running on an Android-powered Samsung Galaxy Note 3 can play DSD files and output legacy PCM streams (i.e. PCM conversion) to a standard USB DAC. These PCM streams are only 16/48 streams due to the current 16/48  limitation of the Android media player framework.

 
USB Audio Player PRO (UAPP) running on a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 can play DSD files and output DSD over PCM (DoP) streams (i.e. "DSD native") to a DoP USB DAC.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/4965#post_10660323

 

 
The Onkyo HF Player, like Neutron or other usual music player, uses the service provided by the native USB audio (currently implemented by the Android device maker using the Android media player framework).
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/5550#post_10974392
If Neutron or the stock music player, running on a given Android device, can't work with a given USB DAC; then the Onkyo HF player, running on that Android device, won't work with that USB DAC.

 
UAPP doesn't use the Android media player framework. It has its own USB audio soft driver, the best Android USB audio implementation so far (i.e. most compatible, best sound quality).
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/5550#post_10974215


Hi,
 
Agree totally:
 
UAPP doesn't use the Android media player framework. It has its own USB audio soft driver, the best Android USB audio implementation so far (i.e. most compatible, best sound quality).
 
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/5550#post_10974215
 
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Oct 22, 2014 at 4:43 PM Post #893 of 2,063
Anyone able to get nano iDSD to play DST256 DSD files on a PC with foobar? I can get 64 DSD to play (haven't tried 128...). 
 
I have tried on two different PCs. I tried to submit a support request but I don't think the guy understood me and just sent the normal IFI instructions back to me...
 
Any pointers appreciated.
 
Oct 22, 2014 at 8:10 PM Post #894 of 2,063
  Anyone able to get nano iDSD to play DST256 DSD files on a PC with foobar? I can get 64 DSD to play (haven't tried 128...). 
 
I have tried on two different PCs. I tried to submit a support request but I don't think the guy understood me and just sent the normal IFI instructions back to me...
 
Any pointers appreciated.


For that format you might want to try JRiver Media Center 20....  works well with the Nano for 256 DSD on the PC
 
Oct 23, 2014 at 3:19 AM Post #895 of 2,063
  Anyone able to get nano iDSD to play DST256 DSD files on a PC with foobar? I can get 64 DSD to play (haven't tried 128...).

 
I have tried on two different PCs. I tried to submit a support request but I don't think the guy understood me and just sent the normal IFI instructions back to me...

 
Any pointers appreciated.


Hi,
 
Foobar is open source and requires some work to get DSD up and running and is not that stable.
 
Need the ASIO DSD plug-in etc...
 
We may have sent you the incorrect pdf but was it regarding Foobar? As we only have the MP3>DSD conversion pdf and the DSD plug-in. Dont think we have a third.
 
Thanks
 
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Oct 23, 2014 at 4:00 AM Post #896 of 2,063
 
Hi,
 
Foobar is open source and requires some work to get DSD up and running and is not that stable.
 
Need the ASIO DSD plug-in etc...
 
We may have sent you the incorrect pdf but was it regarding Foobar? As we only have the MP3>DSD conversion pdf and the DSD plug-in. Dont think we have a third.
 
Thanks

 
Thanks for your reply. It is not that the pdf is incorrect, it is just that it is a little tone deaf. Since I must have followed those instructions to get any kind of DSD running in the first place.  I have 64 DSD up and running. I just can't get 256 DSD running. I was wondering if anyone else has and then to see if their setup is different from mine. Since I have now tried it on two PCs which both run 64 DSD fine, I am wondering if it is even possible to get foobar to do the higher rate. Have you guys tried it?
 
Foobar has been not only stable for me, but so much less bloated the jriver which I found a lot of problems with. But I haven't tried it for two years so maybe I will give it another whirl. But honestly I was just downloading some free DSD tracks to see if I could hear a difference with 256 DSD. And I actually probably won't change from Foobar because right now it plays everything I have purchased. :)
 
So Has Anybody Got Foobar to Work with 256 DSD?
 
Oct 23, 2014 at 4:22 AM Post #897 of 2,063
  Anyone able to get nano iDSD to play DST256 DSD files on a PC with foobar? I can get 64 DSD to play (haven't tried 128...). 
 
I have tried on two different PCs. I tried to submit a support request but I don't think the guy understood me and just sent the normal IFI instructions back to me...
 
Any pointers appreciated.

yes I can do you have at least firmware version 4.00 or higher? what happens when you try it?
 
Oct 23, 2014 at 4:25 AM Post #898 of 2,063
O thanks John. Yes I have the latest firmware. Good to know that it works in Foobar!
 
Oct 23, 2014 at 11:35 AM Post #900 of 2,063
What is your PC? Maybe it lacks power or is too busy performing other tasks.

 
One PC is  a mighty powerful desktop. I checked task manager and nothing else major is running. 
 

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