Hugo TT 2 by Chord Electronics - The Official Thread

Sep 4, 2022 at 1:59 PM Post #16,906 of 19,749
Need some advice , i'm trying to connect the TT2 to two amps one solid state and one tube amp but just realized that it's not possible to use both XLR and RCA at the same time... if the two are connect(XLR and RCA cables) and even if just one is on and being use to sound is bad and also think i have read that could damage the tt2.

Any ideas how can i do this ? Maybe 2x RCA to 4xRCA?

here is a quick photo to try to explain better:


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Sep 4, 2022 at 2:15 PM Post #16,907 of 19,749
Need some advice , i'm trying to connect the TT2 to two amps one solid state and one tube amp but just realized that it's not possible to use both XLR and RCA at the same time... if the two are connect(XLR and RCA cables) and even if just one is on and being use to sound is bad and also think i have read that could damage the tt2.

Any ideas how can i do this ? Maybe 2x RCA to 4xRCA?

here is a quick photo to try to explain better:


IMG_5128.jpg
Why can't you use both XLR and RCA out at the same time? I've been doing that with almost every TT2 I've had and never had any problems. Currently, my XLR goes to a power amp and RCA goes to a sub. In your case it would be two separate amps. They will both be active at the same time.
 
Sep 4, 2022 at 2:20 PM Post #16,908 of 19,749
Why can't you use both XLR and RCA out at the same time? I've been doing that with almost every TT2 I've had and never had any problems. Currently, my XLR goes to a power amp and RCA goes to a sub. In your case it would be two separate amps. They will both be active at the same time.

Chord Says you should not do it, and what i have experience was a distorted sound and weaker also, if just use one cable ( the RCA or the XLR ) it work fine. Another thing i tried to do was TT2 From XLR to the ferrum oor - Rca from the oor to tube amp. this way also the tube amp sound worst also the impact from the bass is softer than directly from the TT2- echo2 tube amp

This is in the manual of the TT2 :

"5) Please do not connect both XLR & RCA to amplifiers simultaneously, this will damage TT 2"
 
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Sep 4, 2022 at 3:25 PM Post #16,909 of 19,749
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Sep 4, 2022 at 4:11 PM Post #16,911 of 19,749
Chord Says you should not do it, and what i have experience was a distorted sound and weaker also, if just use one cable ( the RCA or the XLR ) it work fine. Another thing i tried to do was TT2 From XLR to the ferrum oor - Rca from the oor to tube amp. this way also the tube amp sound worst also the impact from the bass is softer than directly from the TT2- echo2 tube amp

This is in the manual of the TT2 :

"5) Please do not connect both XLR & RCA to amplifiers simultaneously, this will damage TT 2"

I would not connect to 2 amps cause of bigger possible groundloops between them via TT2 giving RF interferrence.

Instead have a minimum number of cables attached to it.
 
Sep 4, 2022 at 4:16 PM Post #16,912 of 19,749
Chord Says you should not do it, and what i have experience was a distorted sound and weaker also, if just use one cable ( the RCA or the XLR ) it work fine. Another thing i tried to do was TT2 From XLR to the ferrum oor - Rca from the oor to tube amp. this way also the tube amp sound worst also the impact from the bass is softer than directly from the TT2- echo2 tube amp

This is in the manual of the TT2 :

"5) Please do not connect both XLR & RCA to amplifiers simultaneously, this will damage TT 2"
If the sound has got worse, one possible root cause could be your TT2 volume is too high, and you are overloading the valve amp input and maybe causing clipping.
 
Sep 4, 2022 at 4:39 PM Post #16,913 of 19,749
I would not connect to 2 amps cause of bigger possible groundloops between them via TT2 giving RF interferrence.

Instead have a minimum number of cables attached to it.
Do you think 2X rca to 4x rca could solve the problem? Can ask to someone to build a cable . Going to turn on one amp at the time , as I just have one head 😊 but this is just not to every time connect and disconnect the rca from one amp to the other…
 
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Sep 4, 2022 at 4:41 PM Post #16,914 of 19,749
If the sound has got worse, one possible root cause could be your TT2 volume is too high, and you are overloading the valve amp input and maybe causing clipping.
It’s in dac mode , so fixed volume .
 
Sep 4, 2022 at 4:42 PM Post #16,915 of 19,749
Sep 4, 2022 at 4:48 PM Post #16,916 of 19,749
Do you think 2X rca to 4x rca could solve the problem? Just going to turn on one amp at the time , as I just have one head 😊 but this is just not to every time connect and disconnect the rca from one amp to the other…

Even switched off a groundloop keep existing through your interconnects since you only break the net's live and neutral wires.

If no other way.. Better use a hard wired shielded toggle switch in between both RCA lines. Disconnecting one each other side
 
Sep 4, 2022 at 6:34 PM Post #16,917 of 19,749
Even switched off a groundloop keep existing through your interconnects since you only break the net's live and neutral wires.

If no other way.. Better use a hard wired shielded toggle switch in between both RCA lines. Disconnecting one each other side
An old method to float earth wire for small signals (noise) but keep safety earth intact.

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Sep 4, 2022 at 7:00 PM Post #16,918 of 19,749
all users with TT2 only use one output at the same time(XLR or RCA) ?
 
Sep 4, 2022 at 8:04 PM Post #16,919 of 19,749
For someone “addicted to fun and learning” you sure missed the mark.

I read ASR. There are both idiots and bullies. There are also very intelligent individuals whose posts are worth reading. Hence why I read the reviews. There is no content control to keep personal attacks minimal. Being called a shill and snake oil salesman will never garner respect or interest in any thread by respected audio engineers.

You also attack the designer not the builder. Rob doesn’t price his products. He doesn’t design the casework. He just designs the electronic portions. Chord does the rest. Hate the pricing? Go complain to John Franks.
What nonsense. Watts is the marketing mouthpiece for Chord—his post I responded to is a stark example of that. I am not speaking on behalf of the folks at ASR—I’m speaking on behalf of myself after having been an unwitting victim of these prices before I had the evidence required to make an informed purchase.

There is nothing innovative whatsoever about a brand that charges Cadillac prices yet still utilizes obsolete tech like micro-USB connectors, primitive green LCD screens that can barely be viewed up close and that lack balanced headphone connectors in 2022—these are just a few of the lazy features Chord still sells while far cheaper brands sound just as good and include the latest industry standards. I’m not arguing about the respective benefits of these features, but if I’m going to pay these prices I should surely have the ultimate in options.

Ask yourself what is informing that $14,000 price point for the DAVE, an eight year old product that has long since recouped its pre-market investments? How is it that brands like Gustard can profit from producing a product that performs as least as well on the bench and is priced at literally 1/20th of the DAVE right from launch?

We can quibble over the value of measurements in headphones and amps, but not for DACs. It is true that the differences between Chord products and the superior performance of ES-9038pro-based DACs are beyond the range of human hearing. This latest offering from Chord achieved benchmarks that passed as recommended on ASR, as have all of Chord’s offerings on there, in case you haven’t actually read them. But for $6500+ dollars, this product should be showing the industry how it’s done, and it simply isn’t.

Which is the case for all of Chord’s offerings—they sound great, if you don’t mind missing features like balanced connectors or analog bass enhancers or readable screens, and you’re prepared to need exorbitantly priced add ons like an M-Scaler that for the cost should be integrated into the DAC itself or a proprietary streamer that costs as much as the DAC/AMP you’re pairing it with. I mind these things, especially when I can achieve the same end result at a fraction of the price.

You’re evidently someone who paid until it hurts for one of these products, as I did once, and it makes sense why you would fiercely defend the company you’re held captive to by your wallet. But I’m sorry, when the “designer” of the product I shelled out a fortune to commands me to ignore the measurements or the constructive criticisms of unbiased reviewers, and doesn’t provide me with any compelling information to refute their claims other than the soothing words of his mum to not worry, I’m calling him out.

He’s doing just fine, and as long as you stay loyal he’ll take your sycophantic efforts to defend him. But sorry, I work too hard for the money I part with to bring music into my home, and if I’m going to pay the price of a vehicle for a portable DAC/Amp, I need to see the math behind the sticker price. When that is forthcoming, we can talk. Peace.
 
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Sep 4, 2022 at 11:40 PM Post #16,920 of 19,749
What nonsense. Watts is the marketing mouthpiece for Chord—his post I responded to is a stark example of that. I am not speaking on behalf of the folks at ASR—I’m speaking on behalf of myself after having been an unwitting victim of these prices before I had the evidence required to make an informed purchase.

There is nothing innovative whatsoever about a brand that charges Cadillac prices yet still utilizes obsolete tech like micro-USB connectors, primitive green LCD screens that can barely be viewed up close and that lack balanced headphone connectors in 2022—these are just a few of the lazy features Chord still sells while far cheaper brands sound just as good and include the latest industry standards. I’m not arguing about the respective benefits of these features, but if I’m going to pay these prices I should surely have the ultimate in options.

Ask yourself what is informing that $14,000 price point for the DAVE, an eight year old product that has long since recouped its pre-market investments? How is it that brands like Gustard can profit from producing a product that performs as least as well on the bench and is priced at literally 1/20th of the DAVE right from launch?

We can quibble over the value of measurements in headphones and amps, but not for DACs. It is true that the differences between Chord products and the superior performance of ES-9038pro-based DACs are beyond the range of human hearing. This latest offering from Chord achieved benchmarks that passed as recommended on ASR, as have all of Chord’s offerings on there, in case you haven’t actually read them. But for $6500+ dollars, this product should be showing the industry how it’s done, and it simply isn’t.

Which is the case for all of Chord’s offerings—they sound great, if you don’t mind missing features like balanced connectors or analog bass enhancers or readable screens, and you’re prepared to need exorbitantly priced add ons like an M-Scaler that for the cost should be integrated into the DAC itself or a proprietary streamer that costs as much as the DAC/AMP you’re pairing it with. I mind these things, especially when I can achieve the same end result at a fraction of the price.

You’re evidently someone who paid until it hurts for one of these products, as I did once, and it makes sense why you would fiercely defend the company you’re held captive to by your wallet. But I’m sorry, when the “designer” of the product I shelled out a fortune to commands me to ignore the measurements or the constructive criticisms of unbiased reviewers, and doesn’t provide me with any compelling information to refute their claims other than the soothing words of his mum to not worry, I’m calling him out.

He’s doing just fine, and as long as you stay loyal he’ll take your sycophantic efforts to defend him. But sorry, I work too hard for the money I part with to bring music into my home, and if I’m going to pay the price of a vehicle for a portable DAC/Amp, I need to see the math behind the sticker price. When that is forthcoming, we can talk. Peace.
I see where you are coming from, you feel that you got robbed by Chord and the designer when there is Chi-fi stuff that is 200-800 Dollars that you feel does the same, is that correct? I totally understand that, what are you using, Gustard, or Topping? I want to try it out, hey all the Chi-fi stuff I've heard sounds like thin, edgy, analytical, non-musical trash, but if I can find a piece that is 1/10 of the price and can have that emotional piece that Chord stuff gives me, I'm in!
 

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