HiFiMan Susvara
Oct 31, 2021 at 8:10 AM Post #11,986 of 25,599
Damn, these are so close.

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First, they sound more similar than not.

Second, they are quite close w.r.t technical performance.
 
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Oct 31, 2021 at 8:26 AM Post #11,987 of 25,599
Damn, these are so close.



First, they sound more similar than not.

Second, they are quite close w.r.t technical performance.
I had both and sold 009s after I get the Susvara. Yes they are very similar. 009s is the king in transient speed but Susvara has more meat on the bones and this character was for me more important. I ran the 009s out of my Carbon and the Susvara out of the Niimbus US4.
 
Oct 31, 2021 at 8:43 AM Post #11,988 of 25,599
but Susvara has more meat on the bones
What about the SR-007Mk2? I haven't heard the Susvara, but to me it sounds meaty enough (haven't heard the 009).
 
Oct 31, 2021 at 8:48 AM Post #11,989 of 25,599
What about the SR-007Mk2? I haven't heard the Susvara, but to me it sounds meaty enough (haven't heard the 009).
I have a MK2 SZ2xxx bass port mod it has more bass then the Susvara but it is recessed in the mids vs Susvara. What I mean it is not neutral like the Susvara but a very fun sounding Stax.
 
Oct 31, 2021 at 8:55 AM Post #11,990 of 25,599
I have a MK2 SZ2xxx bass port mod it has more bass then the Susvara but it is recessed in the mids vs Susvara. What I mean it is not neutral like the Susvara but a very fun sounding Stax.
I'm not familiar with the bass port mod, but I don't find the 007 recessed in the mids. Maybe when I'll compare it directly with the Susvara (hope to do it soon).
 
Oct 31, 2021 at 9:04 AM Post #11,992 of 25,599
I find my Susvara (with a variety of SS and tube amps) has nothing that jumps out and grabs me, but the top to bottom performance is so consistently good making for very satisfying listening. When I'm in an analytical state of mind and the ultimate in micro-detailing and finesse I reach for my SR1a, and on those rare occasions I want to just feel bass without regard for the rest of the frequency spectrum I reach for my 1266 Phi CC.
 
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Oct 31, 2021 at 9:40 AM Post #11,994 of 25,599
I had both and sold 009s after I get the Susvara. Yes they are very similar. 009s is the king in transient speed but Susvara has more meat on the bones and this character was for me more important. I ran the 009s out of my Carbon and the Susvara out of the Niimbus US4.
Agree with this as well.

To me, the Susvara vocals sound more lifelike because they are more forward which makes for an intimate listening experience, whilst the air frequencies give vocals a certain breathiness which sounds just right. The said air frequencies also give cymbals more sizzle, which makes them more vivid and enjoyable.

Meanwhile, off the May and Carbon rig, my SR009S bass actually hits harder than the Sus on some songs (not on all songs, the Stax is so damn track-dependent). The bass is also more detailed and textured. Soundstage is deeper with better layering and perhaps imaging. Transient speed is also a bit better. The overall presentation is still musical while being technically impressive.

But they are close.
 
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Oct 31, 2021 at 11:38 AM Post #11,995 of 25,599
The HiFiMan HE-6 finally has a true Successor.

Meet the Susvara. I was able to hear them at the LA Audio Show last month, but now I have received them personally from HiFiMan. Thanks so much to Dr. Fang Bian and the HiFiMan team. I have been a long time fan of HiFiMan products, ever since the original HE5. I still have my original working HE6. With all the new innovations like the outstanding and unique HE1000, there was always a little spark in the back of my mind that felt the true spirit and sonic signature of the HE6 was still not fully succeeded. Don't get me wrong, I love my HE1000's, but the Susvara is something completely different.

Initial impressions are that the detail and imaging are better than the HE1000. The HE1000's soundstage is larger and wider than the Susvara, but the Susvara's soundstage is a little deeper. The Susvara has significantly tighter and faster bass, especially the lowest frequencies. The HE1000's mid bass sounds almost muddy by comparison. The high frequencies with the Susvara can be a little peaky at times if your source or music is harsh. But I always found the HE1000 to be a little bit laid back compared to the HE6 monster. For bass heads, the HE1000 is probably still going to be the winner, but the Susvara goes lower and flatter bass. It's quite spine chilling to hear/feel it.

I've had a short time with the Susvara, I'll have a more in depth proper review up in the future. So for now, enjoy the unboxing pictures.

They really went all out on the packaging for Susvara.

Brushed Metal Name Plate
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Leatherette (not sure if it's real leather or not) encased box
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Those that have owned the Sony MDR-R10 will remember the little hard cover book it came with, the Susvara has a nice owner's story book.
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Not your run of the mill owner's manual booklet.
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The Susvara is free at last!
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Beautiful drivers showing through the grill, they're incredibly thin, it's almost like they're not there, you can really feel air moving through them if you blow a fan towards your head. Outside sounds pass right through, these cans are as open and airy as it gets.
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Familiar head band assembly, very comfortable and adjustable, even for my huge noggin.
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And yes, they lay completely flat as well.
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Susvara comes with two removable cables, one 4 Pin XLR Balanced, and one 1/4" single ended.
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HiFiMan HE Line Up. From Left to Right, HE1000, Susvara, and HE6
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Happy Hamster!
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Absolutely beautiful packaging, headphones, and shots.
 
Oct 31, 2021 at 11:41 AM Post #11,996 of 25,599
I have received a set of Susvara's as well for review purposes for Mono and Stereo. I haven't finished the review yet as I have been waiting and waiting for them to fully stabilise. Mine now have 325 hours on them. I liked them so much that I purchased my pair.

I have all of the top flight Headphones except for the Abyss Phi - My Abyss have been sent back for upgrade. However in my view the 2 Headphones do not really sit in the same category. The Abyss in my view is a more specialised Headphone to be used when I can afford to do nothing else but listen. I have my Headphone rig setup in my office you see.

When getting a feel on a Headphone I like to play with them for a while, in this case six weeks before I say anything about them. It also gives me a chance to reflect on how much listening I have done with that Headphone and if it has changed my listening habits, in other words, have I felt the need to listen to another Headphone and am I listening more and for longer sessions.

The answer in the Susvara's case is an unequal yes on both counts. I have not listened to any of my other Headphones and my listening sessions have extended considerably. This has now become my default favourite Headphone.

The previous review covered the packaging and I can only agree and say that I have not experienced the same level of attention to detail with the packaging with any other Headphone. It truly is an experience unboxing the Susvara's.

The review system is as follows:

Aurender W20 source with its internal clocks slaved to the Femto 33 clock in the DAC which is a MSB Select II, with the Femto 33 clock upgrade and the AES 110 ohm signal module which also incorporates the 75 ohm BNC Word Clock which has a bayonet twist lock fitting. The Select DAC is running dual power supplies as in two seperate power supplies in place of the standard single Power Supply which has individual seperate power outlets. The dual power supply option has one power outlet for each unit. The dual power supply option I was unsure about as it does add considerable expense - however it is worth every penny as it the femto 33 Clock. I use the AES 110 ohm digital connection in place of USB for its SQ benefits.

Given that the Susvara's are very inefficient 83dB at 60 ohms you will be needing a powerful amplifier to dive them properly. I cannot overstate the importance of supplying the Susvara's with enough high quality power. Amplifiers are custom built Woo 234 mono's. There are a variety of options with the 234 of how to drive Headphones, you are able to select High or Low impedance as well Cathode or Plate power. Every other Headphone I have runs fine using the lowest power setting Cathode-LO-Z. I tried this with the Susvara's and immediately was greeted with distortion and clipping at high volume. Hmm so in went the Plate-LO-Z output key. This has proved to be more than sufficient. The 234's are not only powerful amps they also supply plenty of current driving abilities.

Valves were split between the new KR HP 300B Balloon and the KR HP 274B Rectifier, the driver tube my favourite Tung Sol Round Plate 1940's vintage with Oval Mica's. I am highly impressed with the new KR HP valves and strongly recommend them. They have excellent detail, good bass and are musically satisfying. The 2nd round of Tubes I am currently using are the new production Elrog 300B and Takatsuki 274B rectifier again with the TSRP 6SN7 driver tube.

My Woo 234's have ben modified to allow for the use of an external pre-amp on one of the two RCA inputs. This is single ended amplifier. I used the Single ended output module from the Select DAC as the volume control. The gain having been pre-set by Woo at its maximum. Significant care needs to be taken with this arrangement for all the obvious reasons. However it allows for the volume controls to be completely bypassed no doubt adding to the excellent Sound Quality.

The system sits on an HRS SXR stand with MX3R isolation bases, Vortex footers and power is supplied by a dedicated line feeding Shunyata Triton and Typhon with Sigma Power Cables.

Okay, so thats the summary of the review system dealt with I will include a photo.

Listening impressions:

Initially I tried using the Susvara's stock cables and decided to flip over to my preferred Headphone cable the DHC Prion4S with the Lemo adapter system so fortunately I had the right adapter as the Susvara's use the same 2.5mm Jack as the HE-1000 series. This has always been an issue as over time I find that the Jack connector weakens and then fails eventually. I feel strongly that for this kind of money HIFIMan should have come up with a better connector such as the excellent Focal Utopia's Lemo connectors. While I am on my connector rant, its high time the industry standardised and agreed upon a default connector such as the widely acclaimed Lemo's. They cannot come apart and will probably outlets the Headphone they are attached to, not to mention the Electrical benefits of such a sturdy connector.

Out of the box I was impressed with the Susvara's build quality and initially the Susvara's sound was a little edgy and clearly not yet fully developed. These was enough promise however to excite me as to further potential. The sound has excellent detail at times it can be quite startlingly. The bass is strong and superior to the Focal Utopia's and the LCD-4's, it does not have the heft of the Abyss but it is dynamic and fast and it goes deep. The soundstage is excellent rejecting an image just in front of my ears. I find the best listening point to be with my ears just off the rear of the ear-pads. I am sure this will be the subject of debate and YMMV. I have recently been listening to a variety of Movie Soundtracks.

Sicario: For its excellent depth and weight,
King Arthur: Legend of the Sword for its dynamic driving pulsations, speed and the complexity of the mixes.
Bach Cello Suite No.1 is sublime, the leading edge of the Cello and again the weight and detailed complexity of the Celloist's skill shines through in perfect timing.
Eva Cassidy: - What a wonderful world, this is a surprisingly difficult track to get right, the Susvara's sail through it and as its one of my wife's favourite tracks she exclaimed after how much she had enjoyed it and she felt this was the best rendition of it so far.
Vide Cor Meum: The Susvara's exceptionally lightweight driver allowing the Choir to raise the tempo high with seemingly little to no effort.
Kothbiro: From the Constant Gardener another excellent piece where the Susvara 's can really show off their speed and musicality.

Summary:
If you have the requisite funds to purchase this headphone AND have an amplifier power enough to drive them with ease they will not disappoint. I am not going to get into a price/value debate as that has been hotly discussed ad nauseam on this site and others. If you are demoing the Susvara's make sure they have had at least 150 hours on them (as is recommended in the informative manual) and that the dealer gives you more than adequate time to evaluate them for yourself preferably in your own system.

For me the Susvara's are the best sounding headphone I have heard and I find I thoroughly enjoy them everyday. To me that tells the story.

To Edwood - I hope that you do not take any offence at my musings. With at least 2 or 3 other threads I thought it best to post my impressions here.

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I'm lost for words...you have the most intensive audiophile equipment. I can't even begin to imagine what this sounds like.
 
Oct 31, 2021 at 11:57 AM Post #11,997 of 25,599
I'm lost for words...you have the most intensive audiophile equipment. I can't even begin to imagine what this sounds like.
Who knows if that's still the case... You're reacting to 4+ year old posts..😊
 
Oct 31, 2021 at 1:00 PM Post #11,998 of 25,599
Agree with this as well.

To me, the Susvara vocals sound more lifelike because they are more forward which makes for an intimate listening experience, whilst the air frequencies give vocals a certain breathiness which sounds just right. The said air frequencies also give cymbals more sizzle, which makes them more vivid and enjoyable.

Meanwhile, off the May and Carbon rig, my SR009S bass actually hits harder than the Sus on some songs (not on all songs, the Stax is so damn track-dependent). The bass is also more detailed and textured. Soundstage is deeper with better layering and perhaps imaging. Transient speed is also a bit better. The overall presentation is still musical while being technically impressive.

But they are close.
Holographical is how I'd describe the Stax soundstage versus the more "airy" structure of Sus.
 
Oct 31, 2021 at 1:13 PM Post #11,999 of 25,599
I'm expecting a Shangri-la Junior to show up soon (currently being held up in US Customs), and am looking forward to contrasting it with the Susvara. I managed to snag an iFi Pro iESL energizer just before they were recently discontinued, which will allow me to drive the Shang Jr. from one of my Class D power amps. I may get a dedicated e-stat amp down the line. Will provide impressions here when available.

EDIT: I provided an initial review of the iESL here: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/ifi-audio-pro-iesl-the-official-thread.852364/page-27#post-16633439
 
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Oct 31, 2021 at 1:17 PM Post #12,000 of 25,599
I'm expecting a Shangri-la Junior to show up soon (currently being held up in US Customs), and am looking forward to contrasting it with the Susvara. I managed to snag an iFi Pro iESL energizer just before they were recently discontinued, which will allow me to drive the Shang Jr. from one of my Class D power amps. I may get a dedicated e-stat amp down the line. Will provide impressions here when available.

EDIT: I provided an initial review of the iESL here: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/ifi-audio-pro-iesl-the-official-thread.852364/page-27#post-16633439
Looking forward to the shangri la jr. Impressions
 

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