[Cante Ista]

I liked it fine (it was a Stratos Plus).  I like the F3 even better.  It's got a lower noise floor.  The "images" are more precise.  Better dynamics.  Lower bass extension. 

Totally second that! I will finish puting together a proper review this weekend but that basically sums it up!

 

[preproman]

How does it sound with the 6s?

 

[Cante Ista]

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Totally second that! I will finish puting together a proper review this weekend but that basically sums it up!

 
 
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How does it sound with the 6s?

I was talking about the F3 with the he6. The clarity -- the imaging -- articulation -- precision sharp. The contrast between separate sounds and the background is almost comparable to the 009 on Justin's Blue Hawaii. 

 

[Hun7er]

Nobody has experiences with Ayon Orion II, Prima Luna or  Cary SLI 80 ?

 

[preproman]

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Nobody has experiences with Ayon Orion II, Prima Luna or  Cary SLI 80 ?

 
Prima Luna is a pretty good match.  We have to go back to the audio store and try it out again.  We have more things to compare it to now.  
 
Can't really remember if the Prima Luna had a WOW factor much like the SimAudio amp did.

 

[Cante Ista]

Preproman. U have to let me know when ur in DC. Would love to hit some local stores together and compare diff gear.

 

[preproman]

Sure thing Viktor,  
 
I know of about 2 off the top of my head..

 

[gjc11028]

I got a 300B amp from déjà vu in McLean that I like very much with my he-6

 

[Cante Ista]

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I got a 300B amp from déjà vu in McLean that I like very much with my he-6

Tell us about it. Have you posted a review anywhere? What are the specs? How does it sound?

 

[alota]

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Tell us about it. Have you posted a review anywhere? What are the specs? How does it sound?

X1!

 

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[size=10pt]I finally got around to writing the review. I have had the HE-6 for three months now and the F3 for about a month and a half. I have listened to them almost daily and thought that I should try to write up my impressions.  My source is MacMini which serves only as a music server with Amarra. That is connected to my NAD m51 DAC, which is then routed to the F3. The F3 is not a clone. It is the original thing I got used and then refurbished by Mr Pass. I have not modded the amp during the referb process  but I am extremely happy with its performance and I am not sure how much more performance I could squeeze out out of it. This is my first attempt at a review, so I would appreciate constructive criticism. High-fives are also welcome.[/size]
 
[size=10pt]HE 6 on the F3 has a very immediate presentation -- like you are sitting in the front row. The sounds are delivered with pinpoint accuracy. The focus is needle sharp. I think this is in part because every frequency is presented in a very clean and transparent fashion. I think clean is a good way to describe what’s going on here from top to bottom. What I love about the HE-6 and what sets it apart from many other headphones I have heard is how precise and detailed it is. Let’s start with the bass is. This is my favorite type of bass presentation. You just hear the notes, on the same level with all other frequencies -- noting added, nothing subtracted, nothing lacking! Just perfect! When I put on some IDM (i.e. apex twin, autechre or aufgang) and beat driven ambient music (i.e. pantha du prince or some shpongle, tripswitch), there is a very solid bass impact. Electronic music (I include hip-hop here) can contain some very low bass and the HE-6 on F3 delivers it. When some read this they may think I am talking about the “I can almost feel it in my chest type of bass”. But that is not exactly how this sounds.  It is rather brains than brawn. Lots of bass detail and low low low extension, but it is a headphone set up after all. I think that if you’d increased the bass impact you would lose all of the articulation, and, like I said before, this is the type of bass that draws me to the HE-6.  The beauty of this set up though is that all that bass is happening without taking anything away from other frequencies. The bass stands on its own, among other sounds or musicians on the stage, easily discernable from everything else, providing the basis on which the tracks stand.[/size]
 
[size=10pt]And the other frequencies are also all there. Everything layed out on a black background, coming out and letting you know it is there. This type of detail is very easy to see on electronic music,  which, when at its best (I am not taking about the mass-produced stuff you hear on the radio, which is bad – just like rock and even jazz can be made bad when produced for the lowest common denominator), layers many many sounds to create harmonies – sound upon sound upon sound upon sound. Same thing with orchestral music – every section has its place and instruments can be isolated from all other. Just pop in some Mahler or Beethoven, etc. No other types of music can match the complexity of symphonies overall. In places so much stuff can be happening all at once, and jump around across frequency spectrum, and F3 with the HE-6 don’t have issues.  The HE-6 and F3 rig just resolves these nuances and harmonies beautifully and allows you to see each layer separately but then also jump to a higher (aka more distant) layer of perception and apprehend all of them together as one piece. This for me is the pinnacle of good headphone set up. Having the ability to hear every little nuance separately, but then also have the ability to step back and ‘apprehend’ all those sounds together coherently in time. This is in part because the amp and headphones present a nice 3D stage. They aren’t speakers, but I can definitely see the sound stage and separate different sounds or musicians in space. The sound stage is not as big as HD800, but nothing there is missing. If I remember correctly, I think the sound stage is similar to the one I heard on the SR009 with BHSE and OPPO95. In fact, in my limited experience I think that the HE-6 with the F3 with HE-6 come very close to the electrostatic set up I head at a recent DC meet. It is not the same – for sure. But detail-wise and sound-stage wise, they are definitely comparable. Not the same level, but comparable.  [/size]
 
[size=10pt]I have read somewhere that the F3 is a tube lover’s solid state amp. I don’t about that that. While with the HE-6  the decay and whatever creates the meat on the bones experience in the bass and midrange is there slightly more than every other SS amp I have heard, I have also heard tube amps that the F3 cannot match in that regard. I also think that it has all the characteristics of a good SS amp, like awesome extension, control, and PRAT. I don’t know that tube lover would abandon tubes for F3 with the HE-6. Please mind my set up here, thou. There are no tubes anywhere in my signal path and perhaps this could be the culprit. Maybe F3 is just really good at amplifying tube preamp sound, etc. Maybe it is because HE-6 is adding/taking away something – I don’t know. While I would not call it tubey, I would also not call it cold and analytical. For SS amp, I think it is on warmer side. So for instance when I listen classical, strings and woodwinds retain a nice smooth presentation and voices are super natural. In fact, on one recording I turned around because I thought someone was with me in the room with me. But the presentation of highs is the kicker for me – the highs are not strident at all! Violins and flutes are smooth and detailed.  I know some have said that HE-6 can have strident highs. I have echo what others have said. This is likely system dependent. I also don’t think it’s all in the power. F3 packs 15WPC, so not gobs of power, but dives the HE-6 effortlessly. Like I already said, it is ALL there, balanced and beautifully laid out for you to enjoy, with no fatigue and no piercing highs.[/size]
 
[size=10pt]In summary, the biggest strength of the combination of the HE-6 with F3, is the level of detail and its incredibly precise layering. This is accomplished with great bass impact and smooth extended highs. This for me is what good headphone system exceeds at, and this one definitely does so.[/size]

 
 
 
 

 

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LOL, i like it!!!

 

[wuwhere]

Very nice review there Cante Ista. I'm using a Copland CTA 504 tube amp, 50wpc, sourced with an Oppo 95. Its presentation is very relaxed. Old Tung Sol 6550 tubes are the bees knees.

 

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What DAC are you using?

 

[Cante Ista]

I am using the m51 from NAD. BTW, thank you Preproman for moving it to more traveled thread. And thank you all for kind words!