[mpawluk91]

So its AD8397 for the new Arrow 4N : 
http://www.headstage.com/Arrow-4N/4T/Headstage-Arrow-4N::10144.html?XTCsid=15f47dc755a0a58511c7d9ded9cd682b

And AD8620 for Arrow 4T:
http://www.headstage.com/Arrow-4N/4T/Headstage-Arrow-4T::10150.html?XTCsid=15f47dc755a0a58511c7d9ded9cd682b

Now there's an arrow 4n lol

 

[Vidmaven]

Now there's an arrow 4n lol

The 4N is actually a 4G with an 8397 op amp installed.
For those that are interested Headphonia is offering refurbished 3Gs with the 8397 op amp for $149.

 

[musicinmymind]

3Gs does not have [size=11.199999809265137px]

Treble Switch, otherwise I would have jumped on this offer[/size]

 

[Vidmaven]

3Gs does not have 
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Treble Switch, otherwise I would have jumped on this offer[/size]

From Headphonia's 3G page:The 3G has an impedance switch (instead of a treble switch), a much tighter bass boost and a slightly higher gain setting.

 

[s1rrah]

Quote:

The 4N is actually a 4G with an 8397 op amp installed.
For those that are interested Headphonia is offering refurbished 3Gs with the 8397 op amp for $149.

 
If you are a Shure SE530/535 user .. you do not want to pass this up. The bass boost circuit of the 3G is far superior to any other version with the SE535's ... 
 
I had no idea this was the case and will be buying one straight away. Deal of the century for SE535 users. The 4G variants sound good too but the tighter/punchier bass frequency of the 3G is far better to my ear than the 4G's more subtle approach. I've tried both amps extensively...
 
Thanks for that information, BTW ... is it listed on the site or should we email Robert directly?

 

[Vidmaven]

If you are a Shure SE530/535 user .. you do not want to pass this up. The bass boost circuit of the 3G is far superior to any other version with the SE535's ... 

I had no idea this was the case and will be buying one straight away. Deal of the century for SE535 users. The 4G variants sound good too but the tighter/punchier bass frequency of the 3G is far better to my ear than the 4G's more subtle approach. I've tried both amps extensively...

Thanks for that information, BTW ... is it listed on the site or should we email Robert directly?

edited

 

[s1rrah]

Quote:

http://www.headstage.com/Arrow-3G-Refurbished/Refurbished-Arrow-G3::10149.html?XTCsid=15f47dc755a0a58511c7d9ded9cd682b

 
Fantastic...
 
I had spoken with Robert about six months ago re: ordering a 3G from him and he said at the time that he was waiting for delivery of some new cases for the 3G refurbs ... guess he got all that suss'd.
 
Can't wait to get my hands on another 3G ... and the 2 year warranty is awesome as well.
 
Thanks again ...

 

[mpawluk91]

I have a arrow 4g and I love it but I was wondering which arrow amp has the best soundstage?

 

[proedros]

what's the difference between the bass in the 3G and the 4N ?
 
even though i have a 4N and i am completely satisfied ,  i am thinking of buying a 3G as backup
 
for that kind of money, looks like it's worth it
 
little luxuries for the audio freaks.

 

[alv4426]

How did you get a 4N so fast? Or did you mean 4T?
Quote:

what's the difference between the bass in the 3G and the 4N ?
 
even though i have a 4N and i am completely satisfied ,  i am thinking of buying a 3G as backup
 
for that kind of money, looks like it's worth it
 
little luxuries for the audio freaks.

 

[s1rrah]

Quote:

what's the difference between the bass in the 3G and the 4N ?
 
even though i have a 4N and i am completely satisfied ,  i am thinking of buying a 3G as backup
 
for that kind of money, looks like it's worth it
 
little luxuries for the audio freaks.

 
The 3G's bass emphasis is a much "punchier" bass boost ... emphasizing kick drums and the snappier punch in songs ... whereas the 4N's would be considered a smoother, less noticeable but possibly "deeper" sub bass emphasis ..
 
For very flat IEM's like the SE535's or the Ety's ER-4P's ... the 3G's bass boost is super fun and effective ... I don't know about other IEM's really as I've always preferred very neutral sound signatures...
 
But your right ... for that kind of money, it's ridiculous not to buy one. That's a top performing portable (some would say one of the best ever) with a two year warranty for just over 150 bucks. Ridiculous ...
 
I'm buying for sure...

 

[InsideTM]

The 3G's bass emphasis is a much "punchier" bass boost ... emphasizing kick drums and the snappier punch in songs ... whereas the 4N's would be considered a smoother, less noticeable but possibly "deeper" sub bass emphasis ..

For very flat IEM's like the SE535's or the Ety's ER-4P's ... the 3G's bass boost is super fun and effective ... I don't know about other IEM's really as I've always preferred very neutral sound signatures...

I've got 535s with a 4G and as much as I'm tempted by the 3G for the extra bass I don't think I could cope without treble boost at 1. I tried listening without it for an hour and the moment I switched it back on I realised how much I like it!

Think I'm just going to wait and hope a future upgrade steps up the bass a notch or two...

 

[Stoney]

I have the Shure SE530, and what they need most is a treble boost.  Badly need it.  I would not consider any amp wtihout that feature.  Even with it, my Shure are way below my Phonak PFE 232 in detail and enjoyment.  But I can understand some like the ultra warm smooth midrange of the Shure. 
 
Also, the Arrow gain settings I use differ depending on the earphones.  There is an interaction between the two, such that the sound signature of gain 0, I, and II differ as you change headphones.  On my HD650, I want the extended and smooth setting of gain I (IIRC) but for the Phonak, I require fuller midrange, so I use the 0 gain.  

 

[s1rrah]

Quote:

I've got 535s with a 4G and as much as I'm tempted by the 3G for the extra bass I don't think I could cope without treble boost at 1. I tried listening without it for an hour and the moment I switched it back on I realised how much I like it!

Think I'm just going to wait and hope a future upgrade steps up the bass a notch or two...

 
Well there you have it then ...
 
Happy listening!
 
.joel

 

[audionewbi]

Seems like there are two variation, the 4T(tubey sound based on 

AD8620) and 4N(netural based on 

 

AD8397 ).