howiebrou
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An interesting take on Goldmund
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Originally Posted by infinitesymphony /img/forum/go_quote.gif Yes, because some guy who claims to have heard it is higher on the list than people who are able to spot the exact components used in the player. It is the Pioneer DV-585 with a few modifications--there's no question, and Goldmund has all but admitted it. A toroid and some minor transport upgrades won't turn lead into gold. |
Originally Posted by morphsci /img/forum/go_quote.gif No it cannot just be anyone, it has to be someone who's opinoin I trust (which narrows it down to only two people who have posted in this thread). Many components use the exact same parts, since there may only be few oem's for those parts. Granted, that this does seem like an extreme case, but since no one here claims to have directly compared the two players, any conclusion that they sound the same is merely an assumption. It may be a good assumption, but it may not. All I am asking is that people who purport to be interested in measurements and specifications make scientific conclusions not assumptions. O.K. I'm done here, continue the litany of supposition. |
Originally Posted by arnaud /img/forum/go_quote.gif You're not getting the point here (although you've been reading head-fi for a few years now...). Any one with some sense of value (and most people belonging to head-fi are budget conscious indeed) should be shocked by seeing the work that's been done by Goldmund on that player given the price tag. And in the end, if this thing really sounds like 12kUSD in high-end audio world, then that'd be the cherry on the cake. Because it would imply two things:
arnaud. |
Originally Posted by morphsci /img/forum/go_quote.gif who on this thread has heard the Goldmund and Pioneer? I haven't, so my point is I cannot make a reasoned, scientific comment on it as an AUDIO component. Audio components need to be heard. Measurements, specifications and parts only tell part of the story. |
Originally Posted by morphsci I am also annoyed |
Originally Posted by morphsci I dislike the tone these threads eventually take |
Originally Posted by morphsci Too many self-righteous ****'s that have nothing better to do than complain about what other people do. |
Originally Posted by morphsci /img/forum/go_quote.gif O.K. I lied. I get it fine. There is a growing tendency on Head-Fi for destructive and useless criticism of products by those who really have no relevant opinion. Please answer my question, who on this thread has heard the Goldmund and Pioneer? I haven't, so my point is I cannot make a reasoned, scientific comment on it as an AUDIO component. Audio components need to be heard. Measurements, specifications and parts only tell part of the story. This goes all the way back to the Grado RA-1 revelation and more recently to the Rudistor witch-hunt and now the Goldmund/Pioneer intrigue. I am also annoyed by how easy people seem to find it to tell someone else what they should do with their money and how they should value something. Please grow up. If someone wants to buy the Goldmund I have no problem with that regardless of whether I like it or would even consider purchasing it. I also do not have a problem with posting the informational content. I dislike the tone these threads eventually take and the holier-than-though tone of many posters. Even your post attempts to denigrate me for taking an unpopular stand and not jumping on the band-wagon (or lighting up the torch). For myself, it is no big deal as it just adds more information to my database about whose opinion on head-fi I value and whose opinion I don't. And that is the whole point, the opinions expressed in this thread are of little value to me as no one has heard the Goldmund. What is so dam hard to understand? |
Originally Posted by morphsci /img/forum/go_quote.gif Please answer my question, who on this thread has heard the Goldmund and Pioneer? |
Originally Posted by clarke68 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I More than happy to have you in the discussion if you have anything relevant to say about the topic. Please take your personal insults elsewhere. |
Originally Posted by howiebrou /img/forum/go_quote.gif I have. The Goldmund sounds much better. No, I don't want to defend its innards but I heard these way before this was an issue and they sound like players from their respective price brackets. In fact, I thought the Goldmund was reasonable value at the time. (selling at 3.5k). |
Originally Posted by morphsci /img/forum/go_quote.gif Thank you. I appreciate the honesty. You may want to don your Flac jacket now. |
Originally Posted by morphsci /img/forum/go_quote.gif Complain . . . Complain . . . Complain . . . Too many self-righteous ****'s that have nothing better to do than complain about what other people do. Complain . . . Complain . . . Complain . . . |
Originally Posted by tvrbob86 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I totally agree. |
Originally Posted by howiebrou /img/forum/go_quote.gif I'm sure people will not be offended at my comments |
Originally Posted by rodentmacbeastie /img/forum/go_quote.gif Not offended at all. I am not interested at all if the Pioneer sounds like a $12000 player, or that Goldmund even used it. The problem as I see it is that they say they used "some" Pioneer technology. Some means to me like a Philips spinner or at least it should have more than 50% Goldmund tech. Should it not have to be at least 50% their own?.... |
Originally Posted by milkpowder /img/forum/go_quote.gif And you got the figure "90%+" from where? |