Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?

[pgravili]

Yep, for sure. I suspect we are not that far away from it, but I know nothing about the hardware. I think technology is moving so fast. Brands put all their money there because it's what consumers want. As a result, CARG is so high for TWS and not IEMs.

Did you read this? Apple SVP Eddy Cue suggested that in 10 years, users may not need an iPhone. This statement, made during testimony in a Google antitrust trial, suggests that AI and other technological advancements may make traditional smartphones obsolete. While this is not a definite prediction, it highlights a potential future where AI and other wearable devices could replace the need for a dedicated smartphone.

To be honest, I'm still wrapping my head around that statement since I like screens. But think about that statement and the advancement of TWS in 10 years. This should be fun (and my poor wallet)

It seems traditional smartphones will be replaced over time by smart glasses. For a perfect life in the virtual world. I don't know where we will end up..

 

[boodi]

Wearable holograms microprojector, in place of smart glasses

Imo

 

[galaxygrrl]

It seems traditional smartphones will be replaced over time by smart glasses. For a perfect life in the virtual world. I don't know where we will end up..

Wearable holograms microprojector, in place of smart glasses

Imo

Yes, I know it's all about wearables and everyone is talking about it. I'll be interested to see if wearables take off and in what form. People wear contacts because they don't want to wear glasses. It should be fun to watch. More gadgets to play with.

 

[Not so fat head]

Just fyi per Sony’s 1000xm6 overears.
They’re at Best Buy, I just checked them out. I like Sony, but these are basically somewhat improved XM4’s. Same clamp pressure due to the hinges and feel. It’s good you can select between the XM5 and XM6. Interesting that the XM4 has been removed from the listening station, I’m sure Sony didn’t want direct comparisons.. Just my opinion

 

[helmutcheese]

 

[MikkiT]

Gave these a try, going back. Not bad BUT....No USA customer service and the companion app not available in the Android Play Store. Worked ok on IOS.

HUAWEI FreeBuds Pro 4, Dual-Driver

Bought a pair from Amazon UK. I already have the Freebuds Pro 2s and these didn’t really sound any different, although there was a small improvement with the ANC. Also, they were occasionally doing something very strange sound wise, almost a “wow-wow” type deal that required re-pairing. Sent them back.

 

[Bhelpoori]

Bought a pair from Amazon UK. I already have the Freebuds Pro 2s and these didn’t really sound any different, although there was a small improvement with the ANC. Also, they were occasionally doing something very strange sound wise, almost a “wow-wow” type deal that required re-pairing. Sent them back.

That sounds like they are broken, mine don’t do that at all….You were right to send them back. This is my first Freebuds Pro (4) and I really like them on balanced EQ.

 

[dweaver]

Interesting, looking at reviews of the Technics AZ100 make me wonder if I do want to try them. Having said that I am enjoying the heck out of the AZ60M2 and those probably have a similar bass oriented sound as they are more bassy and warm than the AZ80, so who knows...

In my search I ended up also looking the JBL Tour Pro 3 have to say listening to mic samples by Soundguys the JBL trounces the AZ100, was surprised how good the JBL sounded and I have read they have excellent wind noise cancelling as well which is important where I live.

I like the idea of the dual drivers of the JBL too which might be good for my old man ears . But at $429CAD I will again be waiting for inevitable sale...

Did try the LDAC version of beans style JBL introduced last year and found they did elevate the JBL in sound quality so feel the Tour Pro 3 might just be the one to wait for.

Having said that will continue to read others impressions and contemplate my next big purchase...

EDIT: Picky Audio flips thos mic tests on their ear, the AZ100 sounded much better. So have a feeling this is dependent on the review process. I like the Picky Audio guy because you see he is using the exact same process every time.

 

[JackNarrow]

Interesting, looking at reviews of the Technics AZ100 make me wonder if I do want to try them. Having said that I am enjoying the heck out of the AZ60M2 and those probably have a similar bass oriented sound as they are more bassy and warm than the AZ80, so who knows...

In my search I ended up also looking the JBL Tour Pro 3 have to say listening to mic samples by Soundguys the JBL trounces the AZ100, was surprised how good the JBL sounded and I have read they have excellent wind noise cancelling as well which is important where I live.

I like the idea of the dual drivers of the JBL too which might be good for my old man ears . But at $429CAD I will again be waiting for inevitable sale...

Did try the LDAC version of beans style JBL introduced last year and found they did elevate the JBL in sound quality so feel the Tour Pro 3 might just be the one to wait for.

Having said that will continue to read others impressions and contemplate my next big purchase...

EDIT: Picky Audio flips thos mic tests on their ear, the AZ100 sounded much better. So have a feeling this is dependent on the review process. I like the Picky Audio guy because you see he is using the exact same process every time.

Having used both I can confirm the mics on the az100 are better. The JBL noise gating is too aggressive at times resulting in your own voice being canceled out in noisy environments which is annoying ...argh

 

[jant71]

Having used both I can confirm the mics on the az100 are better. The JBL noise gating is too aggressive at times resulting in your own voice being canceled out in noisy environments which is annoying ...argh

Isn't there some control? I read "Call equalizer helps you control exactly how you sound to others and how you want them to sound to you". How long ago was this since there was also an update on 2/17 that "improved call performance".

@GreatGeorge why are you getting bent out of shape. I said lets find out how they really are so yes they deserve scrutiny. Did I defend them? I said don't just call them "trash". Blindly, which you brought up, is what you are doing when you just call anything trash w/o hearing it based off one graph. There are a few owners of it btw, three of which have some good TWS experience. One has has multiple Nobles and another than has other name brands up to the $400 range. We are not totally blind anyhow but we don't have a huge amount to go on. You are taking too much from the F.R. Most here with experience will tell you just how much you can tell about technical ability from the F.R. which is not much. Detail, separation, clarity imaging not really any of those from just a F.R. graph. It shows they have solid extension but what else can you tell?

Also don't switch to overpriced. You just said trash. You didn't say it wasn't worth it. I'm not paying $1000 for anything myself. It can be quite good but one may pay $1000 and another would never pay $1000 for any TWS. The value is more subjective. You called it trash w/o any qualifiers.

I also mostly said lets find out about the GF5 and GF3 anyhow so why make it about the Legend 6 which nobody wants to pay that price for and if so it will drop. I am good with that. I just argued that people shouldn't pay $100 extra for only a color scheme so I am good for holding out till prices come down.

Again I said give things a chance and find out how they really out. First we had the GF3 get knocked down based on Chat GPT info that was totally wrong. That was conveniently defended because someone had a good experience with Chat GTP and reviews are subjective anyway. Just say oops and I should double checked my info. Now here, more excuses and changing things up instead of maybe you were jumping the gun to call it trash. I'll call it trash along with you if it is.

Simple tenants we have always had here on the boards that are frowned upon and still hold true. Don't talk about stuff you have never heard. Let's get info about stuff and not have to weed through wrong info or people posting something is good or bad when it isn't proven out yet. Scrutiny is examining and then coming to a conclusion.

Again don't get bent out of shape. No name calling or tone meant. Essentially let's not jump the gun and I don't agree about the F.R. No harm in disagreeing. Roast me for that and saying we should actually scrutinize then come to a conclusion if you want.

 

[JackNarrow]

Isn't there some control? I read "Call equalizer helps you control exactly how you sound to others and how you want them to sound to you". How long ago was this since there was also an update on 2/17 that "improved call performance"

Yes there are controls but they only control how you sound and how the caller sounds it does not control the strength of the ai call noise background cancellation unlike with the technics which allows you to turn it on or off at the caller or your side of the caller.
You can even configure a gesture to do this during a call with the technics.

I have both and this is with the latest updates on both.

The biggest improvement the jbl update made was with transparency mode which was massively updated.

The calling issue also exists with the jbl tour one m3 headset so there is something about the algorithm that is too aggressive. Some reviewers claim it may be related to the tone of your voice, if u have a deeper voice then the system sometimes detects it as noise and cancels.

Note this is just in very noisy environments, taking calls in quiet or semi noisy envrionments say less than 50db is fine.

 

[dweaver]

Yes there are controls but they only control how you sound and how the caller sounds it does not control the strength of the ai call noise background cancellation unlike with the technics which allows you to turn it on or off at the caller or your side of the caller.
You can even configure a gesture to do this during a call with the technics.

I have both and this is with the latest updates on both.

The biggest improvement the jbl update made was with transparency mode which was massively updated.

The calling issue also exists with the jbl tour one m3 headset so there is something about the algorithm that is too aggressive. Some reviewers claim it may be related to the tone of your voice, if u have a deeper voice then the system sometimes detects it as noise and cancels.

Note this is just in very noisy environments, taking calls in quiet or semi noisy envrionments say less than 50db is fine.

So my helium voice should be fine!!!

 

[dkjh]

Hello

Seeking advice, has anyone compared ldac 660k vs iPhone aac? Which is is more superior?

 

[Stouthart]

Hello

Seeking advice, has anyone compared ldac 660k vs iPhone aac? Which is is more superior?

https://archimago.blogspot.com/2023/08/part-ii-comparison-of-bluetooth.html

"As you can see, both the iPhone 11 (2019) and iPhone 14 Pro (2022) performed really well on the tests. THD+N scored better than -70dB and TD+N better than -65dB. These numbers are similar to the best that LDAC 909kbps achieved in Android. But the great thing is that Bluetooth transmission using AAC is only at 256kbps with the iPhones which means improved reliability (no dropouts) and range."

 

[absolutnie]

https://archimago.blogspot.com/2023/08/part-ii-comparison-of-bluetooth.html

"As you can see, both the iPhone 11 (2019) and iPhone 14 Pro (2022) performed really well on the tests. THD+N scored better than -70dB and TD+N better than -65dB. These numbers are similar to the best that LDAC 909kbps achieved in Android. But the great thing is that Bluetooth transmission using AAC is only at 256kbps with the iPhones which means improved reliability (no dropouts) and range."

Depends on your testing rig LDAC can be better than AAC
https://addictedtoaudio.com.au/blog...-the-bluetooth-codecs-which-performs-the-best