Aug 5, 2024 at 10:22 AM Post #64,216 of 70,149
The real advantage is ANC. Almost no wired IEM can provide the pure bliss of not hearing the train/cars/airplane/etc while also not being extremely invasive in your ear. With my te-zx1 I can practically remove all of these sounds while they stay on my ears comfortably for long periods of time.

Most of the disadvantages you mentioned are extremely exaggerated as well (some are even completely non existent), especially in the bottom half of the list. The only one that is an actual issue from that list is the price. Another that isn't in the list is the lower sound quality, which is more than made up by the fact that ANC enables me to be able to actually hear my music out there.

TWS sound quality isn't even bad, I don't feel like I'm missing anything with my TE-ZX1. The price isn't an issue either considering the TE-ZX1 only cost me 230€ after taxes and shipping, you'd have to spend WAY MORE money than that to get comparable sound quality from wired gear (dongle/amp and IEM), budget IEMs sound like garbage in comparison.

Limited battery, do you really need to listen to music for more than 6 hours non-stop? Would a 30 minute charging break kill you? If you use a DAC dongle you'll have to charge your phone instead.

Wireless connection issues? You mean when I have my phone charging at my workstation and I walk to the other end of the hall without any cut outs?
 
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Aug 5, 2024 at 10:29 AM Post #64,217 of 70,149
pretty excited. The AKG 5N which i ordered on 7/30 from South Korea are out for delivery today in NJ. That's pretty damn fast.

I'm genuinely interested to know how people weigh the pros & cons of wireless IEMs.

The only advantage I can see are (obviously): no cables. But the disadvantages are many (as far as I can tell):
  • price
  • another item to remember to keep charged
  • limited battery run time
  • limited battery service life
  • exhausted battery = IEMs in the bin
  • no cable means if you accidentally drop one it may be gone forever
  • potential wireless connection issues (to be fair, cables can get damaged so maybe a fair trade-off)
  • potential for functional obsolescence through software revisions
  • (tiny) battery fire risk, but if it does happen whilst wearing that is potentially irreversible catastrophic hearing damage
Are cables really such a hindrance?

CAVEAT: I don't have IEMs and only wear wired over-ear headphones, so no experience with wired IEMs.

Yes the price is something you have to decide on, but you are paying for a convenience and extra features not available on wired. Wires on wired IEM's when you are on the go can be a pain in the ass getting caught on things and in the way. The touch controls are also extremely convenient on the go -not just to control the music and volume, but also to easily tap and get into an ambient mode so you can hear your surroundings or interact with someone, such as stopping to grab something at a store. ANC is a nice feature that wired don't have. Great on the go.

Most people aren't doing critical listening on the go, but the SQ on the good models has gotten pretty good.

For dog walks I still switch between my wired (to a BT Dongle) and wireless, but anytime I am headed out on a bus or a train, I'm rocking my TWS.
 
Aug 5, 2024 at 10:34 AM Post #64,218 of 70,149
I'm genuinely interested to know how people weigh the pros & cons of wireless IEMs.

The only advantage I can see are (obviously): no cables. But the disadvantages are many (as far as I can tell):
  • price
  • another item to remember to keep charged
  • limited battery run time
  • limited battery service life
  • exhausted battery = IEMs in the bin
  • no cable means if you accidentally drop one it may be gone forever
  • potential wireless connection issues (to be fair, cables can get damaged so maybe a fair trade-off)
  • potential for functional obsolescence through software revisions
  • (tiny) battery fire risk, but if it does happen whilst wearing that is potentially irreversible catastrophic hearing damage
Are cables really such a hindrance?

CAVEAT: I don't have IEMs and only wear wired over-ear headphones, so no experience with wired IEMs.
Touch controls. When I'm out and about it's a pain to pull my phone or DAP out whenever I need to skip/rewind/pause/raise or lower volume.

Ability to take calls. Not all TWS and dongle DACS have mics; but for TWS that do, it is nice to be able to just tap to answer.

Water resistance. I'm skeptical on working out with cabled IEMs on the off chance they get damaged by sweat. Or even walking around in light rain.
 
Aug 5, 2024 at 10:55 AM Post #64,219 of 70,149
Its mainly convenience and they are getting better at sound quality.

Imagine if you had to plug in your tablet, laptop or phone into a router/switch/hub every time you wanted to access the internet. It can become annoying. Same concept applies to TWS.
Well, that happens to be what I do (CAT6 ethernet throughout the home), so maybe I have become conditioned not to see see cables as an issue :wink:
The real advantage is ANC. Almost no wired IEM can provide the pure bliss of not hearing the train/cars/airplane/etc while also not being extremely invasive in your ear. With my te-zx1 I can practically remove all of these sounds while they stay on my ears comfortably for long periods of time.

Most of the disadvantages you mentioned are extremely exaggerated as well (some are even completely non existent), especially in the bottom half of the list. The only one that is an actual issue from that list is the price. Another that isn't in the list is the lower sound quality, which is more than made up by the fact that ANC enables me to be able to actually hear my music out there.
ANC is a good reason I hadn't considered. It is not something I use myself as I never listen to music in noisy environments, but I can see why people may want/need it.
Limited battery, do you really need to listen to music for more than 6 hours non-stop? Would a 30 minute charging break kill you? If you use a DAC dongle you'll have to charge your phone instead.
Battery charging is an issue for me, since I always forget to put things on a charger. Just not high enough on my list of priorities to keep thinking about. Many times I pick up something (phone, DAP, other gadgets etc) only to find the battery is almost empty.
I have an estimated 20 gadgets I need to keep in mind to keep charged (phones, DAPs, cameras, scopes, etc.); I don't need another one. But then, I am from an era that predates glued-in rechargeable batteries and where cameras could last for three years on a couple of SR44 button cells...
Wireless connection issues? You mean when I have my phone charging at my workstation and I walk to the other end of the hall without any cut outs?
I guess it depends on how noisy the environment is. Wireless works fine until it doesn't; some people have issues.
Touch controls. When I'm out and about it's a pain to pull my phone or DAP out whenever I need to skip/rewind/pause/raise or lower volume.

Ability to take calls. Not all TWS and dongle DACS have mics; but for TWS that do, it is nice to be able to just tap to answer.

Water resistance. I'm skeptical on working out with cabled IEMs on the off chance they get damaged by sweat. Or even walking around in light rain.
Those are all reasonable considerations.

Bottom line of all of the above is that these are use cases that do not apply to me, so I had never given those considerations. Thanks for the different perspectives :thumbsup:
 
Aug 5, 2024 at 11:43 AM Post #64,220 of 70,149
One issue with the AKG N5, the donegle does not have enough length to plug in with a Peak Design Everyday case on, that's disappointing. I wasn't sure I was going to use it that much but still. I wanted to use it. Have to get an extender.

These are super comfy. Will have to post impressions later.
 
Aug 5, 2024 at 5:32 PM Post #64,224 of 70,149
I'm genuinely interested to know how people weigh the pros & cons of wireless IEMs.

The only advantage I can see are (obviously): no cables. But the disadvantages are many (as far as I can tell):
  • price
  • another item to remember to keep charged
  • limited battery run time
  • limited battery service life
  • exhausted battery = IEMs in the bin
  • no cable means if you accidentally drop one it may be gone forever
  • potential wireless connection issues (to be fair, cables can get damaged so maybe a fair trade-off)
  • potential for functional obsolescence through software revisions
  • (tiny) battery fire risk, but if it does happen whilst wearing that is potentially irreversible catastrophic hearing damage
Are cables really such a hindrance?

CAVEAT: I don't have IEMs and only wear wired over-ear headphones, so no experience with wired IEMs.
From my experience. No TWS has come close to sounding like a true wired iem. A Noble Fokus Prestige or Hifiman Svanar while amazing for a TWS does not come close to something like a Thieaudio Hype 4 or Hisenior Mega 5Est that are around the same price. You sacrifice a fair amount of sound quality but gain in convenience. I see at as this. If you want sound quality, go for a proper iem. You don't need an expensive dongle dac/amp, the iem does most of the work while a good dac/amp can help scale the iem.

A TWS should be treated as something for more portable use. But have in mind, SQ is going to take a major hit. Now, TWS against other TWS and what's good sounding or great sounding especially for the price, how good are the functions. Build, battery, etc. That's what matters most. I don't see any reason in spending hundreds on a TWS iem. Knowing that if I want serious listening, I'll get that sound quality from a iem costing more. If someone wants to spend more money and try to get a TWS that offers the best SQ possible, by all means go for it. But a TWS product should be viewed as something that will be upgraded sooner or later, maybe lost, or die eventually.

Best bang for the buck should be the main priority. There is no wires, no amps/dacs that need to be worried about. It's simple, connect to your device, do what you need to do. For most people, they'll be on the move and wires can seriously get in the way to the point of being a hazard. A TWS eliminates that hazard of a wire getting snagged or caught on machinery. (my experience) You have a little more freedom. Calls can become easier, as all you need is a little press of a button.

But as you mentioned, price, charging, battery life and run time, connection issues, etc. They are all common issues a TWS will bring sooner or later. The biggest reason why TWS iems become expensive is tech. Trying to cram all extra stuff in a little shell. BT reciever, amp/dac, drivers, battery etc. The focus isn't sound quality but functionality. If everyone can have that mindset and remember that they may upgrade soon, a right earpiece may be dropped and lost, the battery could die any moment. Price to performance is extremely important. I've had a Technics AZ80 and while they were good, I accidently lost the right earpiece. My fault, but it happens.

So my goal now is, what offers sound quality similar for far less, similar functions and what I'd use them for. Jogging, work, out and about. Luckily, great TWS iems are coming out that cost far less and offer far more. But I always have in mind, for serious listening, my Thieaudio Prestige LTD is my go to.

Sorry for the extremely long paragraph... Just thoughts and feelings of TWS 😅, does anyone else do that? You could just talk about a subject for hours and hours hahahaha

And should have my Alpha & Delta KS100 soon. I needed a TWS that has no fancy features. Just can be reliable, sound good, comfortabe, easy to use. And no worry that I spent hundreds and if I accidently break one, or get it dirty at work, while still a lil pricey, it's not too bad. I'll post impressions of how it sounds, use eq and post impressions of that. Comfort, and try to compare to some wired iems.
 
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Aug 5, 2024 at 5:58 PM Post #64,225 of 70,149
Well the AKG arrived fast and beautifully packed brand new. But I'm having issues and I can't say it's the AKG 100% because I am running a Google pixel 8 pro on the latest Android 15 beta. By any chance anybody here using the new AKG with an Android beta?
 
Aug 5, 2024 at 8:42 PM Post #64,227 of 70,149
Well the AKG arrived fast and beautifully packed brand new. But I'm having issues and I can't say it's the AKG 100% because I am running a Google pixel 8 pro on the latest Android 15 beta. By any chance anybody here using the new AKG with an Android beta?
Nope...I use them with the P8P but stock software. Maybe I missed it, but you didn't state the "issue" you are having.
 
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Aug 5, 2024 at 8:49 PM Post #64,228 of 70,149
One issue with the AKG N5, the donegle does not have enough length to plug in with a Peak Design Everyday case on, that's disappointing. I wasn't sure I was going to use it that much but still. I wanted to use it. Have to get an extender.

These are super comfy. Will have to post impressions later.
Not to be argumentative, but it really isn't an issue with the N5 because the dongle doesn't fit with the case you have on your phone.
 
Aug 5, 2024 at 10:47 PM Post #64,229 of 70,149
Not to be argumentative, but it really isn't an issue with the N5 because the dongle doesn't fit with the case you have on your phone.
Since the vast majority of phone users use a case with their phone, and I am just using a normal sized case, not any kind of massive otterbox tank case or anything, I actually do have a point, since these devices are supposed to be designed for how the devices are used normally - and that normally, drum roll, is with a an average case. It's a design oversight.

Nope...I use them with the P8P but stock software. Maybe I missed it, but you didn't state the "issue" you are having.

Then solid chance it is with the beta. I'll be pre-ordering the 9 pro in a week so that will ship with stock android 14 on it.

Disconnecting from bluetooth, can't be manually paired via Android pair new BT device, app does not see buds (though that could be an app issue, it has poor ratings in the Play store), touch controls randomly not working, I hear a beep, but nothing happens. I'll try pairing these with a friends phone this week and see if the issues are the same. Nobody I know is running beta software.
 
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Aug 5, 2024 at 10:54 PM Post #64,230 of 70,149
Since the vast majority of phone users use a case with their phone, and I am just using a normal sized case, not any kind of massive otterbox tank case or anything, I actually do have a point, since these devices are supposed to be designed for how the devices are used normally - and that normally, drum roll, is with a an average case. It's a design oversight.



The solid chance it is with the beta. I'll be pre-ordering the 9 pro in a week so that will ship with stock android 14 on it.

Disconnecting from bluetooth, can't be manually paired via Android add new device, app does not see buds (though that could be an app issue, it has poor ratings in the Play store), touch controls randomly not working. I'll try pairing these with a friends phone this week and see if the issues are the same. Nobody I know is running beta software.
A few weeks ago I said the controls take some getting used.to because there are sub menus to the menus. Give it some time, you'll figure it out.

Maybe I am lucky, my case works fine, no dongle issues.
 

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