Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?
Nov 22, 2022 at 12:00 PM Post #48,916 of 62,472
Tried another run with the Bose QCII and it was a complete disaster ! Not so much the amplified wind noise (it's there but not as distracting as when riding a bike) but some kind of "slapping" noise that seems to come from the ANC. Since you can't switch ANC (or hear-through) off it can't be confirmed but I can't see what else it could be.

I still can't believe Bose haven't bothered to add the most basic of settings that everyone else offers (including them on their wired earbuds and cans) on the QC series. Even though they offer excellent ANC in static use there's no way I'm keeping these $299 earbuds with that HUGE and frankly ridiculous flaw.

Back to the Bomaker SiFI II that have the classic "runner's thud" and will be trying the Vista 2 and Jabra Elite 7 shortly. I've read on YT comments that the Vista 2 have zero "thud"...I'll believe it when I hear it :wink:
 
Nov 22, 2022 at 12:31 PM Post #48,917 of 62,472
I have not heard the Jabra 85T so can not speak about that specific model. But I have owned the Elite 3 and Elite 7 Pro and I sold the Elite 3 and returned the Elite 7 Pro. I was not a huge fan of the buttons system because they hurt my ears. I don't mind buttons but only if they don't push into my ears. Sonically speaking both sets sounded almost exactly the same. The sound on those models was nicely balanced with slightly to polite bass (I believe the 85T has more bass) that made most music sound good. My issue was they were like a good low res TV. They sounded good until you compared them beside a good TWS that had higher detail and resolution. I unfortunately have bought to many products as part of my passion for headphone audio as a hobby so once I could tell the difference I found it just to hard to ignore.

The other reasons I went away from the Jabra's was because I was not super enamored with their Microphone quality. The Elite 7 Pro surprised me in that I was not super happy with this area as that supposed to their biggest strength. I also like good ambient mode which I found to subdued for my liking. Similarly ANC was on only just OK.

I actually own the Sony Linkbuds S and as of the writing have 495+ hours of use on them. So I definitely like them. These, unlike the WF-1000XM3 and by extension the WF-1000XM4 are not as dark or warm sounding. They have an excellent midrange tonality. But the dialed back bass also impacts the sub-bass a bit more than I like. The treble is very Sony like in that is a bit on the polite side so lacks sparkle and detail, so if you like lots of drumkit details like cymbals etc, you might find them lacking in that area. Sound stage wise they are on the small side and sound a bit cramped and don't offer much in the way of 3D presentation.

To the microphone on the Linkbuds S is also really good in almost any situation I have used them in including walking outside in the wind. They also have one of the best ambient implementations I have ever used. ANC is on par withe the WF-1000XM3 to my ears so near the top.

So what are their down sides?

The Linkbuds S really skimped on battery life so using any of their sound improvements such as DSEE or LDAC will net you less tan 4hrs battery per use. If you turn those setting off and just use AAC and do not use ANC constantly you can get around 6hrs of use before recharging.

I made a conscious decision to train myself and the AI in the Sony app for this headphone using ALL of it's adaptive sound functionality. I quickly set my home a location and set it to NOT use ANC, I repeatedly turned off ANC when I went for runs so it learned I did not want ANC in when running (to much wind interference with mics). Conversely I also ensured ANC was in when on trains and walking downtown. The cool thing is the headphone app learned my preferences and consequently I only occasionally have to set the mode to something other than what it thinks I will like.

One thing about ANC is this can be addictive in its own right and MANY ANC products only sound their BEST in ANC mode. The Linkbuds S broke me from my reliance on ANC and are designed to be used in ANC, Ambient, and off modes equally and automatically. If your interested in that sort of flexibility and willing to train yourself and the AI to manage it for you, the Linkbuds S offer a unique feature set no nother TWS I have tried can fully offer.

So why did I recommend the Galaxy Buds 2 Pro first (still)...

First and foremost it would be audio quality. They GB2P have bass that extends deep into the sub-bass region without making the mid-bass bloated so are not muddy or dark, even in comparison the Linkbuds S. The midrange is a bit more detailed and less lush sounding giving electric guitars a bit more crunch and bite and accoustic guitars more pluck. The treble for my 58 year ears is more hightened allowing me to hears drumkits with more clarity. But this is one area that some might HATE if sensitive to treble fatigue. Personally these do not cross the line for me but you might feel differently. Finally these have a nice open sounding sound stage with decent 3D presentation which I love.

So much like the Jabra's ultimately getting dropped because I found them lacking in comparison to better products I found the LInkbuds S lacking in comparison to the GB2P.

BUT and it is a big BUT. I also own a Galaxy S20 phone that can utilize EVERY feature of the GB2P so I get LDAC like audio potential from them at all times automatically. This functionally does not exist for any other phone line other than the latest and greatest from Samsung. Other Android phones can use the Samsung app but that's about it. Speaking of the app, it has VERY limited functionality with only a few preset EQ's so you have to LOVE the default sound or one of those EQ's or rely on a 3rd party EQ solution if you don't.

Battery life on the GB2P is about the same as the Linkbuds S at around 6 hours but I can get that 6hrs using ANC all the time. They have just about as good ambient mode as the Linkbuds S as well. Mic quality is a bit below the Linkbuds S but is close to as good in most situations.

So while the Samsung reach nervana like sound for me, they won't for everyone and they have drawbacks that have to be considered carefully.

My music preferences are pretty eclectic but focus on older rock music ranging from Fleetwood Mac to Led Zeppelin to Pink Floyd. I like accoustic music, Celtic, Classical including choral, and listen to a lot of Jazz these days, ranging from Patricia Barber to Mile Davis.
You convinced me. Just put my order in for the Galaxy Buds2 Pro. Couldn't resist the trade in offers and it has been a few months since I bought a new TWS. With all the Samsung offers + eBates and PayPal cash back, it was hard to resist the itch to try these out, Trading in one of my old sets of Galaxy Buds Live, which haven't been getting much use lately since I got the Sony Linkbuds for calls so seemed like a no brainer. I also have a Samsung S22+ and Tab S7 FE so I am invested in the Samsung ecosystem. Hopefully these stay in my ears better than my Galaxy Buds2.

What tips are people using for the Galaxy Buds2 Pro?
 
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Nov 22, 2022 at 12:31 PM Post #48,918 of 62,472
Plus you are saving $$ for the ZE8000 next month right? They have 8K technology. :wink:
Sometimes 8K video is too crisp and fake looking. How will I even HEAR 8K audio? Will all my favorite bands sound odd? HAHA!
 
Nov 22, 2022 at 1:10 PM Post #48,919 of 62,472
You convinced me. Just put my order in for the Galaxy Buds2 Pro. Couldn't resist the trade in offers and it has been a few months since I bought a new TWS. With all the Samsung offers + eBates and PayPal cash back, it was hard to resist the itch to try these out, Trading in one of my old sets of Galaxy Buds Live, which haven't been getting much use lately since I got the Sony Linkbuds for calls so seemed like a no brainer. I also have a Samsung S22+ and Tab S7 FE so I am invested in the Samsung ecosystem. Hopefully these stay in my ears better than my Galaxy Buds2.

What tips are people using for the Galaxy Buds2 Pro?
Oddly enough, I was using the large stock tips. Tried a dozen others and went back to the stock :scream:
 
Nov 22, 2022 at 1:34 PM Post #48,921 of 62,472
Tried another run with the Bose QCII and it was a complete disaster ! Not so much the amplified wind noise (it's there but not as distracting as when riding a bike) but some kind of "slapping" noise that seems to come from the ANC. Since you can't switch ANC (or hear-through) off it can't be confirmed but I can't see what else it could be.

I still can't believe Bose haven't bothered to add the most basic of settings that everyone else offers (including them on their wired earbuds and cans) on the QC series. Even though they offer excellent ANC in static use there's no way I'm keeping these $299 earbuds with that HUGE and frankly ridiculous flaw.

Back to the Bomaker SiFI II that have the classic "runner's thud" and will be trying the Vista 2 and Jabra Elite 7 shortly. I've read on YT comments that the Vista 2 have zero "thud"...I'll believe it when I hear it :wink:
I've noticed some inconsistent behavior with the adaptive ANC as well. I was using mine while walking on a treadmill with a fan so fairly static positioning and the ANC would sort of ebb and flow I believe it was tied to the fan noise but the fan does not move. I agree an ANC off would be welcome and seems hard to figure why it isn't there unless there is something about the chipset build that makes it difficult.
 
Nov 22, 2022 at 2:38 PM Post #48,925 of 62,472
Nov 22, 2022 at 2:42 PM Post #48,926 of 62,472
We hunt specs here dude. It doesn't matter if you can actually hear it.
We have a picture. Apparently 8K sound looks something like this:
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Sort of like a wormhole :)


I've yet to test them out but I got these in record time. DHL usually comes a day early than the expected day but these were due by 11/25. For under the winter hat and has buttons on top. Best control scheme for my liking with one press R for play/pause and one press L cycles ANC/Ambient/Off and volume up is on the R side(L is down) and two presses while hold R/L is FF and RW. The 3 press features are the ones not used as often, bass boost on/off R and LL mode on the L.
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Vs. a US quarter dollar...
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Vs. the Kenwood and the smallest JVC HA-A5T...
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Canal Works designed housing and uses normal size tips in the tiny case...
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Nov 22, 2022 at 2:51 PM Post #48,927 of 62,472
Nov 22, 2022 at 2:58 PM Post #48,928 of 62,472
Since you can't switch ANC (or hear-through) off it can't be confirmed but I can't see what else it could be.
You can't disable ANC on the Bose? I thought ANC on my default was a step to presumptuous, this is another level
 
Nov 22, 2022 at 3:26 PM Post #48,929 of 62,472
Nov 22, 2022 at 3:32 PM Post #48,930 of 62,472
Had to feed my addiction and picked up the Shure SE846 Gen 2 for my TW2 adapters. I might be the minority, but I'm truly enjoying the new filter option with a little EQ for bass punch.

This sounds AMAZING:
 

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