Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?

[erockg]

One of the first impressions of the Final ZE3000...
https://chinese-engadget-com.transl...html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US

I've always wanted to try the Final TWS buds That design doesn't look to be very ergonomic for the human ear. They DO look very cool though.

 

[tinyman392]

Got Grell in today. They are a pretty large, but do fit snuggly in my ear and are more comfortable than they look. ANC performance is OK, maybe about average, but nothing stellar. I have an air purifier about 5-10 feet away from me running on full blast. While my AirPods Pro cancels out the noise almost completely, quite a bit of it is coming through with the TWS/1. It's passable, though definitely far from top tier. Once you get music going, that sound is drained out.

The sound is rather smooth and warm, lots of sub-bass focus with the top end of the midrange and treble kind of tapered off. It's an entirely inoffensive sound that is quite laid back; great for long listening sessions and non-fatiguing to boot. To get to my listening volume I have to run it to 68.75% (for reference my AirPods Pro require me to go to about 56.25% while the AirPods Max are at 62.5%), I do have sound check on on my iPhone though.

ANC and transparency both do cancel out internal noises as well. I'll get a better test on this later on today. I will note that my voice sounds natural while in ANC mode, but in transparency, my voice is topped off with quite a bit of sibilance. To add, there is a distinctive sound difference between transparency and ANC. The bass textures much more with more natural timbre in transparency mode; it's not nearly as thick.

 

[erockg]

Got them in today. They are a pretty large, but do fit snuggly in my ear and are more comfortable than they look. ANC performance is OK, maybe about average, but nothing stellar. I have an air purifier about 5-10 feet away from me running on full blast. While my AirPods Pro cancels out the noise almost completely, quite a bit of it is coming through with the TWS/1. It's passable, though definitely far from top tier. Once you get music going, that sound is drained out.

The sound is rather smooth and warm, lots of sub-bass focus with the top end of the midrange and treble kind of tapered off. It's an entirely inoffensive sound that is quite laid back; great for long listening sessions and non-fatiguing to boot. To get to my listening volume I have to run it to 68.75% (for reference my AirPods Pro require me to go to about 56.25% while the AirPods Max are at 62.5%), I do have sound check on on my iPhone though.

ANC and transparency both do cancel out internal noises as well. I'll get a better test on this later on today. I will note that my voice sounds natural while in ANC mode, but in transparency, my voice is topped off with quite a bit of sibilance. To add, there is a distinctive sound difference between transparency and ANC. The bass textures much more with more natural timbre in transparency mode; it's not nearly as thick.

EDIT: I thought you were talking about the Grell buds, but maybe you're talking about the Finals above?

DOUBLE EDIT: Nevermind, I see you posted the same post on two threads. Disregard first edit. You are talking about the Grell.

Can you throw up a few comparison pics with a few other sets at some point? Curious how the app works with them. Stupid me pulled the trigger and have a pair coming on Saturday -- Because I really need another pair. How's the stalk for the mic? Seems short and unobtrusive. Are you able to get a good seal with the stock tips or are you rolling?

 

[tinyman392]

EDIT: I thought you were talking about the Grell buds, but maybe you're talking about the Finals above?

DOUBLE EDIT: Nevermind, I see you posted the same post on two threads. Disregard first edit. You are talking about the Grell.

Can you throw up a few comparison pics with a few other sets at some point? Curious how the app works with them. Stupid me pulled the trigger and have a pair coming on Saturday -- Because I really need another pair. How's the stalk for the mic? Seems short and unobtrusive. Are you able to get a good seal with the stock tips or are you rolling?

Talking about the Grell, sorry. I'm able to get a seal with the stock tips, I rarely have issues with any IEM and their included tips. Haven't tested the mic yet, but it is unobtrusive. Haven't tested app yet.

 

[jant71]

EDIT: I thought you were talking about the Grell buds, but maybe you're talking about the Finals above?

DOUBLE EDIT: Nevermind, I see you posted the same post on two threads. Disregard first edit. You are talking about the Grell.

Can you throw up a few comparison pics with a few other sets at some point? Curious how the app works with them. Stupid me pulled the trigger and have a pair coming on Saturday -- Because I really need another pair. How's the stalk for the mic? Seems short and unobtrusive. Are you able to get a good seal with the stock tips or are you rolling?

Surprising. Didn't think you would go for the Grell. Was it the gesture controls thing? My prediction is they will be going back. I guess we will see.

 

[zeinharis]

One of the first impressions of the Final ZE3000...
https://chinese-engadget-com.transl...html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US

Description​

Features

Adhesive-less Injection Molded Diaphragm
Surround is directly attached to the center with injection molding method.Tremendously light and precise diaphragm for exceptional accuracy and clarity

Special Silicone Surround
The material of the surround has been upgraded to a new type of silicone compound which is soft and exceptionally elastic. With the new type of silicone compound, the diaphragm could move in a more accurate pistonic motion which again reduce the distortion.

CCAW Voice Coil
To improve the performance of the f-Core for Wireless further, instead of a normal Copper voice coil, ZE3000 features a CCAW (Copper-Clad Aluminum Wire) voice coil.

f-LINK Damping System
f-LINK Damping System help to regulate the air pressure change inside the enclosed housing. Its brings IPX4 water resistance and achieve natural sound simultaneously.

Quality “SHIBO” surface finish

Ideally shaped charging case for maximum comfort

Support high resolution codec, aptX Adaptive
ZE3000
Speaker driver size
f-Core for Wireless 6mmΦ
Input
Bluetooth 5.2
Bluetooth code
aptx adaptive, aptX, AAC, SBC
Battery Life(Approx.)
35 hours
Charging time
1.5 hours
Frequency response
20~20kHz
Battery Capacity
2 * 35mAh + 300mAh
Waterproof
IPX4
What's In The Box
USB Type-C® Cable, final Type E for TWS eartips(SS,S,M,L,LL),
----------------------------------------

The WF1000XM3 uses 6mm CCAW dynamic driver as well. Looking forward for some real reviews for it!

 

[jant71]

Checking for new stuff...

Amazfit PowerBuds Pro. This one is already out like the Grell and Earfun etc. that they also gave awards to.

Cleer Goal II coming. Think I am the only one to buy a Goal and I am selling mine(now down to next to nothing but little interest). Sweet sound and aptX and strong build but no interest on here. They were good actually and they are making a second version so maybe elsewhere they did fine. Of course they are open awareness sports type.

Saw there will be power tables coming at CES so your stuff will be charging when you just put it down on said power desk/table. Bye bye charging pads lol as they give way for charging surfaces

Lets see what else I see.

More directional audio. Like the Bose. Actually looks like they are from the OEM and this is an improved version but with a better design(if the damn arm is adjustable). Hopefully the case will do more than hold them and no stupid cable dock thing...

vs.

Monster DNA Fit will have aptX Losseless, ANC, and be antibacterial...

 

[erockg]

Surprising. Didn't think you would go for the Grell. Was it the gesture controls thing? My prediction is they will be going back. I guess we will see.

Ha ha! I love transparency, ANC and big drivers. Had to try them.

That said, these Noble Fokus are just amazing. They won't be leaving my collection. Been using them since Friday non-stop. I'll be stunned if the Grell come close to them.

 

[Aevum]

Anyone has the Technics AZ60 and knows how it compares to the sony ?

 

[DigDub]

What battery life you got from both T1 and T2 Pro.

I've not really run them out before. Maybe about 6-7 hours with ANC off?

 

[regancipher]

Pleasantly surprised by the QCY G1

 

[DigDub]

Anyone has the Technics AZ60 and knows how it compares to the sony ?

The Sony is darker and smoother sounding. The AZ60 has elevated treble and bass for a more exciting sound. Depends on what sound signature you prefer. AZ60 has all controls on the buds, Sony sacrifices controls choices. Sony has a much better battery life.

 

[raymanh]

What's a good upgrade from the Elite 75t's? Hoping not to spend as much as I did when I got them just after release. Plus Chifi offerings seem to be pretty good these days.

I mainly need an ANC upgrade. The ANC on the 75t's is both weak and very susceptible to wind noise.

Reading the last few pages, the FIIL T2 Pro seems like a good bet. XM4's ANC seems the best, but it's pricey.

 

[dweaver]

The AZ60 has excellent ANC and has gone on sale.for $199 so might be worth considering if it does so again.

ANC is not as good as Sony but very good none the less.

 

[Tommy C]

What's a good upgrade from the Elite 75t's? Hoping not to spend as much as I did when I got them just after release. Plus Chifi offerings seem to be pretty good these days.

I mainly need an ANC upgrade. The ANC on the 75t's is both weak and very susceptible to wind noise.

Reading the last few pages, the FIIL T2 Pro seems like a good bet. XM4's ANC seems the best, but it's pricey.

My opinion on ChiFi is that they are normally cheaper for a reason.
Even my Fiil T1XS started developing some odd issues which basically made me leave them out of my rotation.
If you want good value for money you may wanna look at 1More.