Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?

[SilverEars]

Yeah, I love the design. This must be the first time I liked a white pair of TWSs. Even though I'm not really pumped about the shape of the case, the black case would be okay, I guess.

Given their color scheme with the white circle dot over the black body, it looks like a white sphere is suspended in the ear from a distance, I think it looks cool. It doesn't have too much design is what I like. Minimalist designs usually lasts. But, TWS batteries do not.. lol

I like the shape of the case, but it seems to have a lot of bulk as the earpieces do not take up that much room.

I just wonder how it would look in the ear if it was completely black?

There's also the new Galaxy Buds X leaks. Interesting design with the compact bean shape, and would be interesting how good Samsung's ANC would be. The only problem I see so far is, it doesn't utilize any isolation tips. Big no no for me.

It was inevitable Samsung would come up with a AirPods Pro rival product.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.to...-x-have-noise-cancellation-for-dollar100-less

It would be interesting if this bean shape design shell can be customed for each ear, because I foresee the size to be very flush, being super compact. I've seen some really tiny hearing aids.

And where is Bose and their NC 700 TWS currently?

 

[tma6]

Ooooh very interesting!

https://www.linsoul.com/pages/tin-hifi-t2000

 

[clerkpalmer]

And where is Bose and their NC 700 TWS currently?

Good question. A month ago they blamed Covid for the delay and while there may be some truth to this, it seems like manufacturing in China has largely recovered. This is the 1 tws i am really anxiously awaiting but bose doesn't have the greatest track record on delivering products on time. I mean these were announced a year ago right? Cnet ran a story about them when covid hit back in March and it didn't sound like they were coming any time soon.

I haven't been following as much as usual but have been pretty satisfied with my MTW2. Anything out there that would be worth looking at as an improvement? Seems like the answer is no. I did have the N6pro but they failed on me and I don't love the fit.

 

[clerkpalmer]

Ooooh very interesting!

https://www.linsoul.com/pages/tin-hifi-t2000

Nice find. Definitely interested in those.

 

[martiniCZ]

Hi,

I recently received the SoundPeats TrueDot. I'm a bit disappointed as the bass is overwhelming. With a bit of EQ they sound good, but nothing great.

Here is my measurement using Dayton Audio iMM-6:



I've had the Samsung Buds before and their resolution is great, but they can sound a bit bright and some peak around 6-7K was fatiguing to me. They lacked the body, too much treble for my taste and like crinacle explains, kind of a "weeb" signature.

From all cheap TWS I tried and tested so far (and I tried a lot from AliExpress), QCY T5 comes very close to an all-round package.

I'm waiting for the QCY T4 to arrive soon, which has an app with EQ.

Etymotic ER2XR is my reference IEM and I like them a lot.

What other TWS I should check out? What are the latest recommendations in this thread? Thanks.

Yes, lows are bit boosted, in my case it's not so bad, only about 3-5dB, probably I had more luck. Don't you have a front vent covered by something? A few pages back, I mentioned the influence of the filter grid to the sound on them. Try removing the mesh, maybe it will help you, the sound is then more opened and detailed. The stock mesh is too fine and filters out part of the spectrum over 10kHz. The worst is that it clogs with sweat and earwax very quickly and TrueDots then sounds too warm and dark to my taste. Mesh can be easily removed with the needle and put back at any time, there is only a little self adhesive on the edge. I have to admit that TrueDot sometimes doesn't excel in sound clarity, maybe I'm weird, but I still prefer the soud signature of Tronsmart OnyxNeo, shame that almost everything else is bad on them

 

[d3myz]

Will i've been using the Jabra 75T since yesterday afternoon. Few thoughts. This is a well made TWS, excellent software and customization for calls and prett good EQ. Sound quality is good, but very Polarizing. Lots of bass, mids are good and the highs are sparkly at neutral music. With audiobooks I noticed some semblance with one or two books with female narrators who have higher voices, could just be my audible, i'll keep checking but I have to turn the treble down to avoid it . Calls and pass through are excellent, better than the echo buds, XM3's and I think they tie with the APPs although they do give more passive isolation so it does feel like your ears are still a bit plugged, but I think i'm actually hearing just as well if not better, Major Kudos. The call Quality is the best i've ever experienced on a TWS. I have a really bassy voice so I turned the treble setting on for my calls and the 3 different people I talked to said it sounded Excellent. Here's the Thorn. I think I read this somewhere as well, but when I double click Siri to text or call, the left earbud doesn't reinitilize and I end up on a phone call with the right bud only. The passthrough mode will stay on sometimes, other times the bud just becomes completely unresponsive and I have to put both buds back in the case for 3+ minutes to get it working again. I did notice that when I turn on "Prioritize Bluetooth device with call" I stopped having the issue. I really, really like these buds, they are super comfortable and sound isolation is really good, but something seems off. Going to grab a brand new pair and see if I have the same issues.

 

[SilverEars]

I've noticed that these beam mics on TWS depends on level of ambient noise. Quality quickly goes south if there is a significant level of ambient noise. The mic that I know that performs supremely in heavy ambient noise is full sized Bose NC 700. This is something I'd like to see more common with TWS mic performances.

I wonder if it's partly the placement of the mics when comparing to NC 700? TWS mic are in the ear area, too far away to pickup the bulk sound waves that's pushed forward. NC 700 cups are large and the mic is closer.

Can it mainly be Bose's innovative solutions in a high performing mic system? Can this be applied to TWS?

 

[eiraku]

I've noticed that these beam mics on TWS depends on level of ambient noise. Quality quickly goes south if there is a significant level of ambient noise. The mic that I know that performs supremely in heavy ambient noise is full sized Bose NC 700. This is something I'd like to see more common with TWS mic performances.

I wonder if it's partly the placement of the mics when comparing to NC 700? TWS mic are in the ear area, too far away to pickup the bulk sound waves that's pushed forward. NC 700 cups are large and the mic is closer.

Can it mainly be Bose's innovative solutions in a high performing mic system? Can this be applied to TWS?

Yep it's absolutely the placement of the beamforming mics. For my L2Ps, there are explicit instructions to "aim the mics towards mouth", though more often than not, wearing them in the most comfortable position does not result in the mics being "aimed" dead center towards where it needs to be - as I found that there's quite a lot of leeway in turning the L2Ps around for best fit.

Hence why I think we see variations in reviews between folks saying the L2P mic is "fine" and folks saying it's "absolute garbage" (personally I find it to be somewhere in the middle lol).

Also, I wonder if the TWS makers have access to manipulate the "mic noise suppression" parameters on the chipsets that they use. For example, I do find the L2P to sometimes be overly sensitive to noise that it simply suppresses too much under heavy environmental noise and muffles the user's voice as a result.

On the other hand, the COAs are a bit noisier under similar conditions, but they also let slightly more of the user's voice to peek through.

Which is pretty interesting considering that they both use the QCC3020 chipset (AFAIK anyway), though I've also heard that SC has customised/adjusted theirs a lot more.

Though, due to the shape of the COAs, there's not much variation in the way you can wear it (and thus aim the mics) in the first place - so it might just be that (see my first point).

Or something lol.

 

[d3myz]

Looking forward to the N6Pro (working) and to trying the FIIL T1X. Actually, another great "realistic" sounding budget TWS is the Pamu Scroll, which I got on Indegogo back in October 2018 for $45. They are simply Amazing for the price, and better sounding than the Crazy Baby Air that cost a bit more (and I lost the Air).

My main complaint is that the scroll case is larger than I'd like for my pocket, and they have similar battery drain issues as my MTW, where if you don't use them for a while and you go to use them you will the battery will be depleted. They do have a neat wireless Qi adapter that plugs into the micro-USB so you can leave them sitting on a desktop wireless charger to top them off (but it stands upright and can topple over if you bump the table).

My APP have fantastic ambient mode and ANC, but just like to fall out or make my ear canals itch too easily. The other problem is that with the 2C54 firmware they sound bad without ANC or Ambient mode turned on, where using them in passive plain Jane models worse sound quality after the update (more bland and dull unless ANC or transparency is turned on, and they get more lively with more bass EQ). Even then, the MTW are simply better sounding - more transparent and more spacious.

I hear you on the APPs. i'm on my 3rd pair. They Quality Control really sucks on them. My first pair had the newer firmware and it was awful. The last two are still on the old firmware and the ANC is fantastic, so is the Transparency. I bought some aftermarket silicon and foam tips from Ali Express and They seem to fit better than the stock tips. I also own the Pamu Scroll, I haven't listened to it in a long time but I remember I didn't like how veiled the highs were, The touch sensors were too sensitive and they don't turn off w/o the case. For the price they were pretty great, but the design hurt my ear after about 30 min.

 

[d3myz]

Ooooh very interesting!

https://www.linsoul.com/pages/tin-hifi-t2000

Those look very interesting! Not the best looking form factor, but i'll bet they'll sound great. I love my Tin Audio T2's!

 

[tma6]

Those look very interesting! Not the best looking form factor, but i'll bet they'll sound great. I love my Tin Audio T2's!

Tin T2s are great. Yeah also no mention of mic or codec quality, will have to wait and see. Apparently will start at around $90-100 for early bird price.

 

[jant71]

Though, if your familiar with the connectors and bi-flanges you can tell these are pretty big boys. Hope they keep themselves in when on the move. Stability may not be their strong suit.

Case as well...

Does that come out? Whats with that? Might be such a bitch to wind up that cord esp. if that insert is not removable.

Course looks like straight in buttons which I don't like as much as a button on top or a side. The 40mah batteries are a concern powering a dual driver. Hope we get at least 5 hours and not a KZ-like 3.5-ish.

Looks cool but certainly some questions as already brought up.

 

[eiraku]

Tin T2s are great. Yeah also no mention of mic or codec quality, will have to wait and see. Apparently will start at around $90-100 for early bird price.

They seem to run on Realteks so maybe not AptX. Probably SBC and AAC as usual.

 

[Spidermanxd]

Any news on the Klipsch T10

 

[DannyBai]

I own the original MTW and now have the MTW2. I can say that the sound is still excellent. Main difference I can tell is that the soundstage is smaller. What they fixed from the original makes this one a worthy successor for me since I really love the sound of them.