If anyone is still looking to pick up the Fiil T1X or even a 2nd pair, looks like they'll be on a lightning deal on Amazon tomorrow morning around 10AM or 930AM for Prime members. Not sure what price they'll have yet.
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Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?
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erockg
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Not sure what you mean. I just picked them up. It’s AAC on the iPhone. They are pretty great so far.The upgraded B&O E8 3.0 with BT 5.1, is still using NFMI. So that's a big no from me...
Why use a technology that uses SBC as codec in the left bud, whether the source uses AAC or AptX?
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assassin10000
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Not sure what you mean. I just picked them up. It’s AAC on the iPhone. They are pretty great so far.
He means the master bud is connected via bluetooth using AAC or APT-X to the phone BUT the slave is connected to the master bud via NFMI not Bluetooth, which uses SBC.
So only one ear gets AAC/APT-X and the other SBC.
I disagree. I have etymotics and I have a couple ANC headphones. Maybe etymotics are better with highs, but without ANC low frequency rumble will creep in no matter how well you stuff your ears.
With small comply foams or the beige etymotics foams on the train I hear absolutely no rumble. With triple flanges that is another story though.
For me personally it blocks about as much low frequency as when I tried my friend's MDR-1000x anc overear set five or so years ago on the train, that consistent clanging of the train cars and the screeching friction of the rails on the wheels.
Hearing the improvements on the WH-1000XM3 though I am not sure if it is as good as modern noise cancelling, but it is quite a hassle to put on etys for me. I would prefer a less tedious process to get rid of train noise.
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erockg
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Interesting. Didn’t know that. Just read up. But I’m not finding any info that the 3rd gen uses NFMI.He means the master bud is connected via bluetooth using AAC or APT-X to the phone BUT the slave is connected to the master bud via NFMI not Bluetooth, which uses SBC.
So only one ear gets AAC/APT-X and the other SBC.
Just read this online in a MTW manual:
NFMI uses SBC as audio codec, however the NFMI-SBC codec uses a higher bit rate (596 kbit/s transmission rate for mono signal) compared to BT-SBC codec (max bitrates in Bluetooth specification for A2DP profile: standard 237 kbit/s stereo, high quality 345 kbit/s stereo).
As the result, the NFMI audio quality is comparable to aptX-Bluetooth audio, but not identical.
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Caipirina
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When TWS case designers go too far ... or found Jesus ...
I actually know those buds, they came several weeks ago in a different case ... I wonder if this was meant as a promotional gift for some bible convention and then the deal fell through.
I actually know those buds, they came several weeks ago in a different case ... I wonder if this was meant as a promotional gift for some bible convention and then the deal fell through.
This doesn't matter, since NFMI-SBC still introduce the "SBC-noise" I've found in several songs. It's even more noticably using this: https://www.szynalski.com/tone-generator/ (play 20-150hz and you hear a "tinny" noise on the left with the bass)Interesting. Didn’t know that. Just read up. But I’m not finding any info that the 3rd gen uses NFMI.
Just read this online in a MTW manual:
NFMI uses SBC as audio codec, however the NFMI-SBC codec uses a higher bit rate (596 kbit/s transmission rate for mono signal) compared to BT-SBC codec (max bitrates in Bluetooth specification for A2DP profile: standard 237 kbit/s stereo, high quality 345 kbit/s stereo).
As the result, the NFMI audio quality is comparable to aptX-Bluetooth audio, but not identical.
I think the noise is the same that was illustrated in a post a couple of pages ago.
(https://www.head-fi.org/threads/goi...e-we-there-yet.861024/page-1326#post-15466566)
I really don't understand why these expensive buds use NFMI...
Edit: https://beoprime.com/detail/index/sArticle/519 (NFMI is listed there, and I also found it in the product description on a Norwegian hifi shop, Hifi Klubben)
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Is it normal for the n6 pro to have have interference when playing music in a crowded area like a mall? I just got my set exchanged due to driver flex, but now there is this annoying cracking sound when I am in a mall.
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base08
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This doesn't matter, since NFMI-SBC still introduce the "SBC-noise" I've found in several songs. It's even more noticably using this: https://www.szynalski.com/tone-generator/ (play 20-150hz and you hear a "tinny" noise on the left with the bass)
I think the noise is the same that was illustrated in a post a couple of pages ago.
(https://www.head-fi.org/threads/goi...e-we-there-yet.861024/page-1326#post-15466566)
I really don't understand why these expensive buds use NFMI...
Edit: https://beoprime.com/detail/index/sArticle/519 (NFMI is listed there, and I also found it in the product description on a Norwegian hifi shop, Hifi Klubben)
Amazing that such company would implement and later aprove such audio quality...
To me is also baffling that SBC was developed with such a huge flaw in their encoding process. Why the engineers behind the SBC codec didn’t perform these frequency sweeping tests is to me a big mistery...
Zeo-Gold92
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Has anyone tried the lypertek tevi or shanling mtw100 with the hiby r3 or r3pro? I'm looking to get the r3pro with a pair of tws for bike riding. are there any other sets that I should be looking at. I picked those two since they seemed to review pretty good and are under $150AUD. I'd be listening to mostly, pop, hip hop, rock, prog and metal.
i just met my friend who recently purchased the Spunky Beat, and i tried it for a few songs. got to say I'm impressed. good sound for the price
Bhelpoori
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SBC was mandatory in the first version of A2DP in Bluetooth which was released in mid-2003 and first draft was in 2001 if I remember correctly. Whilst I appreciate your views, the technology scene was a little different in 2001 and nobody could have expected that SBC would be used in this manner. Indeed, the allowance and addition of optional codecs in the spec was deliberately done to allow SBC's replacement where needed. SBC was just a free, easy to implement, low battery usage, lowest common denominator codec that was needed to ensure baseline compatibility. Personally I'm amazed that it is still used almost 20 years later, though I guess AptX is much older, so I shouldn't be too surprised...Amazing that such company would implement and later aprove such audio quality...
To me is also baffling that SBC was developed with such a huge flaw in their encoding process. Why the engineers behind the SBC codec didn’t perform these frequency sweeping tests is to me a big mistery...
I have CIEMs and the WF1000xm3 and I can say the XM3S block a lot more outside sound when no music is playing.
Also, being that you said you are looking for CIEMs you need to check out Alclair, (my model is the RSM)this is what I have. Best sound I've heard from and headphone/IEM and mine are over 5 years old.
Also, being that you said you are looking for CIEMs you need to check out Alclair, (my model is the RSM)this is what I have. Best sound I've heard from and headphone/IEM and mine are over 5 years old.
erockg
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The good news for me is that my old ears can’t hear what you're talking about. But still testing...This doesn't matter, since NFMI-SBC still introduce the "SBC-noise" I've found in several songs. It's even more noticably using this: https://www.szynalski.com/tone-generator/ (play 20-150hz and you hear a "tinny" noise on the left with the bass)
I think the noise is the same that was illustrated in a post a couple of pages ago.
(https://www.head-fi.org/threads/goi...e-we-there-yet.861024/page-1326#post-15466566)
I really don't understand why these expensive buds use NFMI...
Edit: https://beoprime.com/detail/index/sArticle/519 (NFMI is listed there, and I also found it in the product description on a Norwegian hifi shop, Hifi Klubben)
Also, that said, I cannot hear distortion in a particular song that I heard distortion in using the Cleer Ally Plus.
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hifi80sman
Headphoneus Supremus
I wonder if it has something to do with a second Qualcomm chip in the other earbud being more costly than a NFMI chip. Usually, it all boils down to profit margins. We all know B&O is super-inflated in terms of pricing.This doesn't matter, since NFMI-SBC still introduce the "SBC-noise" I've found in several songs. It's even more noticably using this: https://www.szynalski.com/tone-generator/ (play 20-150hz and you hear a "tinny" noise on the left with the bass)
I think the noise is the same that was illustrated in a post a couple of pages ago.
(https://www.head-fi.org/threads/goi...e-we-there-yet.861024/page-1326#post-15466566)
I really don't understand why these expensive buds use NFMI...
Edit: https://beoprime.com/detail/index/sArticle/519 (NFMI is listed there, and I also found it in the product description on a Norwegian hifi shop, Hifi Klubben)