Jun 1, 2025 at 8:09 AM Post #70,336 of 70,721
The reality is, Noble is still a small company doing big things. Maybe one day, Harman International will snatch us up and with their sales channels we will be more easily available. (Put in a good word for me)

As for our primary focus being "America" the internal figures I have, do not bare that out. We are registered in America & have an office in America so assumptions can be easily made that America is therefore our primary market. The fact of the matter is, the demand for portable audio products is higher in Asia. (The lifestyle is more conducive to this hobby)

I wish you luck in finding a Rex5.

Man I really hope you do not sell out to Harman. Guess the payday would be nice but you'll lose your independence.
Is the Devialet Gemini ii still a good option in 2025? have the opportunity to pick up up a pair for under £200
Yes I think so at that price.
 
Jun 1, 2025 at 8:44 AM Post #70,337 of 70,721
Could you explain this part?

If you spend some time in Asia you will observe:

1) a high utilization of public transportation

2) living quarters are usually apartments or condos

3) it is common to have 3 generations living under one roof (grandparents/parents/children) Not every one is going to share the same taste in music etc etc.

4) Hobbies influenced by geographic limitations & laws

Example: Disposable income isn't spent on cars, boats & guns.

Disposable income in Asia is generally spent on small items such as cameras, watches, RC planes, RC boats, portable audio etc. Even if one can afford a Porsche, parking can be a problem.

And by "small" I mean physically small, not necessarily inexpensive.
 
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Jun 1, 2025 at 11:20 AM Post #70,341 of 70,721
I'm a huge fan of the BQEYZ Spring 2 iem, mainly because of the piezo implementation. It's my favourite iem in my small collection.

Do you know of a planned release date for this Aviot te-j2, and will it be available in Europe?

Also, having never tried or even heard of Aviot before, do any of their other tws have a piezo driver do you know please?
As far as I know they have done planar and dynamic, planar/dynamic/BA, and dynamic and BA but no piezo. The TE-J1 was a dynamic and armature hybrid.

Only place I saw for a pre-order said "shipping in early August".
 
Jun 1, 2025 at 12:00 PM Post #70,342 of 70,721
As far as I know they have done planar and dynamic, planar/dynamic/BA, and dynamic and BA but no piezo. The TE-J1 was a dynamic and armature hybrid.

Only place I saw for a pre-order said "shipping in early August".
So, Aviot is replacing their trio of balance armatures with a piezo tweeter. Sorry but I couldn't resist asking AI what they expect to achieve. It got pretty excited about it.

The Ascent of the Piezo: Why Your Next High-End Earbuds Might Ditch Balanced Armatures for Treble​

A new wave of high-fidelity truly wireless earbuds is adopting a novel three-driver configuration, pairing the familiar dynamic and planar magnetic drivers with a less common piezoelectric driver for the high frequencies. This move marks a departure from the long-standing practice of using balanced armature (BA) drivers for treble and suggests a deliberate engineering choice in pursuit of a specific sonic signature and performance advantages.

Your assumption that the dynamic driver handles the bass and the planar magnetic driver covers the midrange is likely correct. This division of labor leverages the inherent strengths of each technology: the dynamic driver's ability to move significant amounts of air for impactful bass and the planar magnetic's reputation for detailed and accurate midrange reproduction. The intriguing substitution is the use of a piezoelectric driver for the treble, a role traditionally dominated by the balanced armature.

The decision to replace a balanced armature with a piezoelectric driver for the treble is a multifaceted one, driven by a combination of sonic ambitions, technical considerations, and design trade-offs. Here’s a breakdown of the key factors that likely influence this choice:

The Quest for Extended and "Airy" Highs​

The primary motivation for incorporating a piezoelectric tweeter is likely the pursuit of a particular treble quality. Proponents of piezoelectric drivers often highlight their ability to reproduce extremely high frequencies, sometimes extending beyond the range of human hearing. This ultra-high frequency extension can contribute to a sense of "airiness" and "sparkle" in the sound, making cymbals, strings, and other high-frequency-rich instruments sound more lifelike and detailed.

In contrast, while balanced armatures are lauded for their precision and speed in the treble, they can sometimes be perceived as having a "metallic" or "analytical" timbre. For some listeners, this can lead to listening fatigue over extended periods. A well-implemented piezoelectric driver can offer a different flavor of treble—one that is crisp and fast, yet potentially smoother and more ethereal than what a typical BA can produce.

Technical Advantages and Design Considerations​

Beyond the sonic signature, piezoelectric drivers offer several technical advantages that can be appealing to earbud designers:

  • Exceptional High-Frequency Response: Piezoelectric materials, often ceramics, vibrate when a voltage is applied. This mechanism is particularly effective at producing high-frequency sounds with great accuracy and minimal distortion.
  • Minimal Power Consumption (at High Frequencies): While piezoelectric drivers require a higher voltage to operate compared to balanced armatures, they draw very little current, especially at the high frequencies they are tasked with reproducing. In the power-constrained environment of a truly wireless earbud, this efficiency can be a significant advantage.
  • Compact and Lightweight: Like balanced armatures, piezoelectric drivers are incredibly small and light, making them ideal for integration into the crowded confines of an earbud shell without adding significant weight or bulk.
  • Simpler Crossover Design: In some applications, the natural roll-off characteristics of a piezoelectric driver can simplify the crossover circuit design, which is the electronic filter that directs the appropriate frequencies to each driver. A simpler crossover can reduce component costs and potential for phase issues between drivers.

Potential Challenges and Trade-offs​

The move to a piezoelectric tweeter is not without its challenges. The primary hurdle for manufacturers is ensuring a seamless and coherent transition between the three different driver technologies. Poor integration can result in a disjointed sound where the bass, mids, and treble sound disconnected from each other.

Furthermore, the character of a piezoelectric driver can be a double-edged sword. If not carefully tuned and damped, the very same characteristics that produce "airiness" can also lead to a sound that is perceived as "thin" or "brittle."

The Bottom Line: A New Flavor in High-Fidelity Audio​

The decision to replace a balanced armature with a piezoelectric driver in a high-end, multi-driver earbud is a calculated one. It represents a deliberate choice to prioritize a specific set of sonic characteristics—namely, exceptional high-frequency extension and a unique "airy" quality—while navigating the technical challenges of integrating this less common driver technology. For the discerning listener, this trend offers the exciting prospect of a new and distinct flavor in the ever-evolving landscape of personal audio.
 
Jun 1, 2025 at 12:20 PM Post #70,343 of 70,721
Is the Devialet Gemini ii still a good option in 2025? have the opportunity to pick up up a pair for under £200

The tech is fine and can hold its own. They have a particular sound signature. It's very detailed and analytical. I did not like them, but others love them. If you like the Sony's you will like these.

(Sorry to all who have seen me post this before....I know, it's been around.)
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Jun 1, 2025 at 1:35 PM Post #70,345 of 70,721
So, Aviot is replacing their trio of balance armatures with a piezo tweeter. Sorry but I couldn't resist asking AI what they expect to achieve. It got pretty excited about it.
Nope not really. The J1 was dynamic and BA so it will be a one for one swap. What a "ZX2" if that is what they name will do we do not know yet. Replace the planar with a piezo? Then replace the BA with an EST? MEMS? Multiple piezo? Who knows. Doesn't have to be a 5 driver either.
 
Jun 1, 2025 at 1:47 PM Post #70,346 of 70,721
As far as I know they have done planar and dynamic, planar/dynamic/BA, and dynamic and BA but no piezo. The TE-J1 was a dynamic and armature hybrid.

Only place I saw for a pre-order said "shipping in early August".
Ok, thanks. :thumbsup:

I shall be keeping a keen eye out for this, as I'm so smitten by the piezo sound in the BQEYZ Spring 2.
 
Jun 1, 2025 at 2:10 PM Post #70,348 of 70,721
So, Aviot is replacing their trio of balance armatures with a piezo tweeter. Sorry but I couldn't resist asking AI what they expect to achieve. It got pretty excited about it.
Honestly, if you can get the chance to listen to a piezoelectric driver implementation, do it!

The BQEYZ Spring 2 is simply magical to my ears! I'm a Jazz lover (among other genres) and brushes and cymbals are to die for!

Vocals, especially female, are something truly special, too. It's like the singer is right next to you! You can hear every breath and detail and yet somehow it is never TOO forward. It's just perfect to my ears!

The 'airiness' and extension in the treble is superb, and yet never fatiguing or sibilant.

For context, however, please know that I'm 56yrs old and my hearing doesn't really extend beyond about 13 khz. Younger listeners may have a different experience with such an extended treble, possibly? Possibly not.

Also, it's worth noting that I'm not a fan of BA's.

For me, I'd gladly pay at least double and then some for what I paid for the BQEYZ Spring 2. It would also be a clear winner by a country mile if I was only allowed one iem, and I'm including the Campfire Trifecta ( I'm a big DD fan) in that as well (at one point my dream iem when I heard it, but way beyond my budget).


If piezoelectric drivers are going to be the next big thing, then count me very very excited indeed! :L3000:
 
Jun 1, 2025 at 2:48 PM Post #70,349 of 70,721
The reality is, Noble is still a small company doing big things. Maybe one day, Harman International will snatch us up and with their sales channels we will be more easily available. (Put in a good word for me)

As for our primary focus being "America" the internal figures I have, do not bare that out. We are registered in America & have an office in America so assumptions can be easily made that America is therefore our primary market. The fact of the matter is, the demand for portable audio products is higher in Asia. (The lifestyle is more conducive to this hobby)
Here is some interesting data on the market. Although I would say this is directionally accurate, I would NOT make business decisions based on it. I tried looking at absolute numbers and average selling price, but that data seemed to far off to be even directional. However, the theme was the Average Selling Price in Asia is 50% less than in North America, not surprising. It was about $50 in Asia and $100 in the US and the EU

(OK, I really need to find a job, so I can stop fooling around and becoming an analyst for the TWS market and draw silly AL pictures. What started out as I just want new TWS had turned into quite the time-wasting rabbit hole. Off to the beach to take a walk with my Rex5 which = happiness)


@FullCircle Looking forward to seeing you on this list on day. :beerchug:
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Jun 2, 2025 at 2:14 AM Post #70,350 of 70,721
Received Sennheiser's EOFY sales offer, 40% off everything. Very tempting to upgrade my IEM's to the IE600.
 

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