Jun 21, 2022 at 1:43 PM Post #46,216 of 70,225
...and with all the functions they leave out the rewind. No rewind, no aptX, and no option for the bass control. Like the aptX and rewind I am not on board. :) Might be some peoples cup of tea though.
 
Jun 21, 2022 at 1:51 PM Post #46,217 of 70,225
...and with all the functions they leave out the rewind. No rewind, no aptX, and no option for the bass control. Like the aptX and rewind I am not on board. :) Might be some peoples cup of tea though.
Maybe a budget sports option? That kinda seems to be their MO
 
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Jun 21, 2022 at 10:11 PM Post #46,221 of 70,225
The Linkbuds S are supposed to be better than the XM4 for call quality! I have not tried them myself but pretty much every video I have watched easily demonstrates their superiority for calls. Sonically they are aupposed to be a bit more balanced than the XM4 which was darker than the XM3 from what I have read so I suspect the S will be similar sonically to the XM3 and has the added benefit of LDAC if your wife has an android phone.
 
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Jun 21, 2022 at 10:16 PM Post #46,222 of 70,225
The Linkbuds S are supposed to be better than the XM4 for call quality! I have not tried them myself but pretty much every video I have watched easily demonstrates their superiority for calls. Sonically they are aupposed to be a bit more balanced than the XM4 which was darker than the XM3 from what I have read so I suspect the S will be similar sonically to the XM3 and has the added benefit of LDAC if your wife has an android phone.
I was definitely told that I sounded clear with them, but I would be curious to see if call issues like mine were widespread. If they aren't, would definitely go for it 😊
 
Jun 22, 2022 at 12:18 AM Post #46,223 of 70,225
Well...I will say, ever since my first review on the Senns TW1, and then moving on to the TW2 I feel the sq has gotten pretty damn good. You know I do a lot of wired, but enjoy my wireless for walking etc. Unfortunately, the TW3 didn't work for me and this time I had to surpass the $299 threshold, with the B&O EX. I am definitely impressed with the progress of the TW offerings. How is the SQ of the Grell? Honestly, I would forego many features, ANC included, for stellar SQ and call quality alone.
Honestly, I used to think that ANC was totally unnecessary for in-ear headphones. I mean, they’re already like earplugs with passive isolation, right? Plus, the two ANC headphones I’d owned in the past added background hiss whenever noise cancelling was activated, had bloated bass bleed, and I wondered if the cancelled frequencies would dig “holes” in the playback frequency response.

And with the Sennheiser MTW2, not only did I not care about the added ANC, I didn’t care about the extended battery life because I think of TWS headphones as “daily items” that you always take and frequently recharge anyway, like a phone. Sennheiser gave me an MTW (first gen), and I liked it better than the V2 because it had the same sound quality EXCEPT the first Gen had no background hiss (gen 2 has a bit of “snow” as a trade-off for the more power efficient Qualcomm chip, but otherwise they use the same transducer and same tuning/acoustic capsule) and as a gamer I felt I wanted the aptX Low Latency codec that was only in the gen 1 MTW. So, the original MTW was the best SQ true wireless I’d heard and only one I bothered owning for awhile. I have not heard the current MTW3.

And honestly, the grell TWS/1 is a leap ahead of the MTW. It also has no snow, even with ANC on, but it sounds so much more organic… the MTW has some digital glare and robotic sound that I didn’t notice till I compared with the grell side-by-side, whereas the grell sounds like a nice wired headphone. The fact that you get 1+4 charges and the case will hold a charge for a month is a bonus, but realizing I could just drop the case on my wireless charger while I use the headphones on a walk was a game-changer for me (somehow, I didn’t connect this dot while I used the MTW).

Turns out, the ANC does create a more cleaning listening environment, even if I am walking a park. On top of that, Axel explained that it actually IMPROVES the base SQ by reducing distortion, which I re-share here:


Some disclosures for everyone else here in the name of honesty and fairness: I used to do contract work for Sennheiser and I still respect them, but I left to rejoin Axel doing contract work with his grell audio small company. And the grell wasn’t all peaches and cream when it launched… as with all wireless products, there’s a chance for signal interference, but we were able to greatly improve connection stability with a firmware update this spring, so now a connection stutter is rare.

...and with all the functions they leave out the rewind. No rewind, no aptX, and no option for the bass control. Like the aptX and rewind I am not on board. :) Might be some peoples cup of tea though.
The first notes of a song are often my favorite and the most likely to give me ASMR goosebumps… they set the tone for the whole song! So I use rewind a lot. One button might not be such a problem for me when I’m using my iPhone as a source, because I also have their smartwatch which gives me full remote control, but it’s still an issue if I want to use Bluetooth with my PC while using a full-screen app or with my iPad/NVIDIA Shield/etc that really benefit from remote controls.

It’s hard to argue against touch controls when it comes to a wide array of remote control functions. As long as the touch is as responsive as a smartphone 😉. Controls on both earpieces also ensure that the most commonly used functions (pause, volume, rewind/ff, transparent mode) are just a single tap or swipe away. How do you even control volume on those headphones??

@Fleeple It would be very interesting to me to read what you didn’t like about the AirPods Pro :)
 
Jun 22, 2022 at 12:29 AM Post #46,224 of 70,225
Honestly, I used to think that ANC was totally unnecessary for in-ear headphones. I mean, they’re already like earplugs with passive isolation, right? Plus, the two ANC headphones I’d owned in the past added background hiss whenever noise cancelling was activated, had bloated bass bleed, and I wondered if the cancelled frequencies would dig “holes” in the playback frequency response.

And with the Sennheiser MTW2, not only did I not care about the added ANC, I didn’t care about the extended battery life because I think of TWS headphones as “daily items” that you always take and frequently recharge anyway, like a phone. Sennheiser gave me an MTW (first gen), and I liked it better than the V2 because it had the same sound quality EXCEPT the first Gen had no background hiss (gen 2 has a bit of “snow” as a trade-off for the more power efficient Qualcomm chip, but otherwise they use the same transducer and same tuning/acoustic capsule) and as a gamer I felt I wanted the aptX Low Latency codec that was only in the gen 1 MTW. So, the original MTW was the best SQ true wireless I’d heard and only one I bothered owning for awhile. I have not heard the current MTW3.

And honestly, the grell TWS/1 is a leap ahead of the MTW. It also has no snow, even with ANC on, but it sounds so much more organic… the MTW has some digital glare and robotic sound that I didn’t notice till I compared with the grell side-by-side, whereas the grell sounds like a nice wired headphone. The fact that you get 1+4 charges and the case will hold a charge for a month is a bonus, but realizing I could just drop the case on my wireless charger while I use the headphones on a walk was a game-changer for me (somehow, I didn’t connect this dot while I used the MTW).

Turns out, the ANC does create a more cleaning listening environment, even if I am walking a park. On top of that, Axel explained that it actually IMPROVES the base SQ by reducing distortion, which I re-share here:


Some disclosures for everyone else here in the name of honesty and fairness: I used to do contract work for Sennheiser and I still respect them, but I left to rejoin Axel doing contract work with his grell audio small company. And the grell wasn’t all peaches and cream when it launched… as with all wireless products, there’s a chance for signal interference, but we were able to greatly improve connection stability with a firmware update this spring, so now a connection stutter is rare.


The first notes of a song are often my favorite and the most likely to give me ASMR goosebumps… they set the tone for the whole song! So I use rewind a lot. One button might not be such a problem for me when I’m using my iPhone as a source, because I also have their smartwatch which gives me full remote control, but it’s still an issue if I want to use Bluetooth with my PC while using a full-screen app or with my iPad/NVIDIA Shield/etc that really benefit from remote controls.

It’s hard to argue against touch controls when it comes to a wide array of remote control functions. As long as the touch is as responsive as a smartphone 😉. Controls on both earpieces also ensure that the most commonly used functions (pause, volume, rewind/ff, transparent mode) are just a single tap or swipe away. How do you even control volume on those headphones??

@Fleeple It would be very interesting to me to read what you didn’t like about the AirPods Pro :)

I will readily admit that I borrowed them from a friend, and can only base my thoughts off of their sound tuning and the feel of the earbuds. But I distinctly recall not being a fan of how they felt in my ear; I would try them again, but enough people have mentioned how much you lose when using them on an android that it kind of feels like a waste.

TLDR: I am by no means a professional audiophile, and I am very fickle.
 
Jun 22, 2022 at 12:36 AM Post #46,225 of 70,225
I will readily admit that I borrowed them from a friend, and can only base my thoughts off of their sound tuning and the feel of the earbuds. But I distinctly recall not being a fan of how they felt in my ear; I would try them again, but enough people have mentioned how much you lose when using them on an android that it kind of feels like a waste.

TLDR: I am by no means a professional audiophile, and I am very fickle.
I get that… but I think it’s fair to say you are well experienced!

I haven’t owned a pair myself, but until 2017 I worked Apple retail, so I got to borrow the first versions quite regularly. I couldn’t find a comfortable fit, just like all their EarPods since they ditched the foam slip covers, but the Pros were a bit better. I’m learning Android through my DAPs and Android TV!
 
Jun 22, 2022 at 12:51 AM Post #46,226 of 70,225
I get that… but I think it’s fair to say you are well experienced!

I haven’t owned a pair myself, but until 2017 I worked Apple retail, so I got to borrow the first versions quite regularly. I couldn’t find a comfortable fit, just like all their EarPods since they ditched the foam slip covers, but the Pros were a bit better. I’m learning Android through my DAPs and Android TV!
Why thank you 😊 interesting.....my sister prefers the old style but all different kinds of ears out there. What have you had the best luck with thus far?

Also would love to try the Grells again now that I have a solid selection of 3rd party tips, but would you say the microphone quality has been tweaked any since launch?
 
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Why thank you 😊 interesting.....my sister prefers the old style but all different kinds of ears out there. What have you had the best luck with thus far?

Also would love to try the Grells again now that I have a solid selection of 3rd party tips, but would you say the microphone quality has been tweaked any since launch?
By “the old style,” do you mean the ones that came with the classic wheel-interface iPods? Because those were the ones that had foam and fit me better too!

I do pretty well with smaller headphones that don’t have angled edges of the enclosure pressing against my ears, and I particularly like comply foam tips. I’ve been experimenting with Acoustune AT07 small tips, and they fit nicely secure, but they still feel slightly large for listening for more than two hours. I still haven’t found my perfect tips, and it seems tips matter the most for me! I actually quite liked the stock tips that came with the Phonak IEMs, the BLON BL-03, and the small tips that came with the IE 300 and IE 900. I actually use the latter on my grells a lot 😅 I need to order some more Comply, it’s been a few years.

I’m not exactly sure which microphones gave you issue on the grells… they haven’t changed.

On the three samples I’ve had at home, I’ve received call quality compliments that people can hear me well, and I even used them while speaking on Sonic Visions podcasts a few times, though of course I wouldn’t use it for voiceover recordings. They are designed to cut wind noise well, too. In transparent mode, the microphones sound fuller and richer as they reproduce the environmental sounds… but to do that in with natural gain levels, there’s no audio processing to de-noise and focus just on ambient vocals, so there’s a bit of hiss in transparent mode. If I’m trying to listen for traffic dangers, ordering food at a cafe, or something, I’m OK worth transparent mode as-is, but I prefer ANC on for serious listening.

I don’t know if that’s the answer you’re looking for, but I figure it’s better to be honest and say the mics are good for ANC and functional phone calls, but won’t sound as good as a lavalier mic or a studio mic.
 
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Jun 22, 2022 at 1:30 AM Post #46,230 of 70,225
After some further testing with the Liberty 3 Pro I am a little disappointed with the volume levelling of transparency mode. When it detects louder sounds (try clapping loudly for a few seconds), it causes the transparency feed to dip significantly for a few seconds and usually only on one ear. After a while it regains the original volume (unlike Galaxy Buds+ which permanently decreases the volume until you re-activate ambient mode) but it can be disorienting, and it does mean I have to play the piano quieter.

I'm also noticing the intermittent popping/clicking sound usually on the right bud when I "flex" my ears or eyebrows or talk. I'm not exactly sure what's causing it (some suspected a hardware defect) but I'm leaning towards this is a manifestation of driver flex/ear pressure with some units more suspect than others. It's pretty annoying the medium-sized eartips have a tendency to flip back when I take them out of my ears - slowly twisting the earbuds out reduces the chances of it happening. I haven't tried third party eartips but wonder if something that relieves the pressure may help. It seems less obvious with the largest eartips but the sound tuning becomes quite different with the sub-bass to mid-bass being more prominent. The treble is less fatiguing, even with LDAC turned on, but the sound is quite dark, perhaps more similar to the Soundcore Life Q30.
 

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