Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?

[Ceeluh7]

Super Review just came out with an s12 video today. Surprisingly, he sold me on the fh3 in the video, lol. Didn't expect that from an s12 review!

Oh man interesting, the chaconne looks different enough where it's so tempting, but unfortunately it's in that 300+ price range where I'd rather have the blessing 2 or multiple cheaper iems. I'll let the reviews of it start coming out, and maybe I'll have more discretionary income by summer.

Based on your review and the prices, I'm def leaning towards the oh10 over the b2. I kind of have the feeling I'll skip b2 entirely and aim for the variations or monarch mk2. Seems like we both aren't super into the timeless. What other iems have you been testing?


First I've heard about this as well, maybe a qc issue and bad luck?

Ya "super review" has similar taste to me as well. He is right about the FH3.

About the B2... It is very nice but there is a huge roll off around the treble area... Which you may like, the Mids are nice for vocals, and there is only a slight boost in the mid bass. The oh10 is a Sub bass king, as the mid bass rolls off enough to not congest anything in the lower mids and the highs run a very nice path all the way out as you can see on the graph. Imo these do play out like that. Honestly it's whatever you enjoy. Many people really love the B2. The oh10 is on so many best of lists because of the tight and bruising bass but also the extension, it makes it exciting and more energetic than many sets. Again, it's all about taste. Some people don't want that energy and find it fatiguing. As for me... Love it

 

[erockg]

IMHO, the OH10s blow everything in the next price tier above it out of the water! I returned almost everything Ive been testing, leaving my OH10s and my B2s in my pocket and I keep coming back to the OH10s over and over. The one coming this week is the Moondrop Chaccone (sp?) which won’t fit into any adapters because they’re earbuds, but I’m in the round of this game where I’m exploring the fringes. Lol

I'm going back and forth between the OH10 and the Kato and they're both great in different ways. The Kato exceeds in clarity and separation by far to my ears. One thing that is truly cool on the OH10 is the soundstage. I'm really impressed at how wide it is. The bass is big on the OH10, but the Kato seems to have tighter bass punch. Love the fit of the OH10. Kato fit, but I'm still working on perfection there. Kato are smaller. Neither touch my Thieaudio Clairvoyance. The TC just fits like a glove and man, everything coalesces so perfect with them. I'm only using my TWS adapters with all of this stuff. KZ AZ09 Pro, UTWS3 & 5 and the TW2s. Depending on which adapters I use, really does change up the sound. Really hard to for me to decide if both the OH10 and Kato should stay or one should go right now. I will say this, both of these let me to return the Mangird Tea. The Tea aren't bad at all, but for 100 less, these can definitely compete if not exceed what I was hearing from the MT.

There is no end game. No matter what we think!

 

[Ceeluh7]

I'm going back and forth between the OH10 and the Kato and they're both great in different ways. The Kato exceeds in clarity and separation by far to my ears. One thing that is truly cool on the OH10 is the soundstage. I'm really impressed at how wide it is. The bass is big on the OH10, but the Kato seems to have tighter bass punch. Love the fit of the OH10. Kato fit, but I'm still working on perfection there. Kato are smaller. Neither touch my Thieaudio Clairvoyance. The TC just fits like a glove and man, everything coalesces so perfect with them. I'm only using my TWS adapters with all of this stuff. KZ AZ09 Pro, UTWS3 & 5 and the TW2s. Depending on which adapters I use, really does change up the sound. Really hard to for me to decide if both the OH10 and Kato should stay or one should go right now. I will say this, both of these let me to return the Mangird Tea. The Tea aren't bad at all, but for 100 less, these can definitely compete if not exceed what I was hearing from the MT.

There is no end game. No matter what we think!

That is exactly right. The soundstage is huge on the oh10. You can see the extension on the graph as it is more linear i the upp

er parts of the frequency and simply has a wider soundstage. Just like the Hana 2021 the Kato has great separation, clarity and resolution and nice tight bass with the Hana having slightly more sub bass but the graph below Def shows the differences with the Kato and oh10.... Both great.
Dude.... I like to pretend there is an end game but.... Lol.... I look at myself and whisper... That's cute.

 

[erockg]

That is exactly right. The soundstage is huge on the oh10. You can see the extension on the graph as it is more linear i the upper parts of the frequency and simply has a wider soundstage. Just like the Hana 2021 the Kato has great separation, clarity and resolution and nice tight bass with the Hana having slightly more sub bass but the graph below Def shows the differences with the Kato and oh10.... Both great.
Dude.... I like to pretend there is an end game but.... Lol.... I look at myself and whisper... That's cute.

For sure, I'm going back and forth with the graphs to try and discern why I hear what I'm hearing with all of these. It's quite obsessive.

 

[guitarizt]

Just watched the yearphone video by super reviews, he likes the kato as well. It's on my radar. Just too many choices. Hopefully the olina comes soon. I'm learning towards the fh3 since I don't have a bass heavy iem atm.

I just tried the t3+. Really surprised me. I was expecting to be disappointed with how happy I was with the he01, but the t3+ is really similar. The sound samples online are actually pretty accurate where the t3+ is more energetic than the he01. The t3+ is pretty analytical, more than the aria and he01 is the worst technically. But for the t3+, the high energy makes the instruments and vocals feel weird to me, where everything doesn't seem to mesh together that well. The t3+ really reminds me of a budget timeless for lack of anything better I have to compare it to.

The problem is that the timeless is better than the t3+, and the he01 covers a different territory, so the t3+ is kind of in limbo for me. One thing I am surprised by is how everyone seems to favor the aria hands down, but the t3+ should be in the conversation for best sub 100 iem imo.

I feel like I could get into the weeds with talking about diff genres they're each good for, but for $80, the aria, he01, and t3+ are all so good. I'd take all three over my galaxy bud pros. I think it gets trickier when getting to the 300+ range because then the diminishing returns hurt and I get way pickier.

 

[Ceeluh7]

For sure, I'm going back and forth with the graphs to try and discern why I hear what I'm hearing with all of these. It's quite obsessive.

Ya dude.... I totally get it. If you want gonto Crinacle Graph comparison on his website... He has the most to compare. BGGAR also has quite a few..

The graph shows the extension of the oh10's as it doesn't roll off the same as the Kato. The oh10 also has a slight peak up top (upper midrange) which adds alot to it. I will say that the vocals on the Kato and Hana 2021 (I reference the Hana because the Kato and Hana are so close) are a bit better, closer but not too close. I agree with you... Take your pick as to which is better... Good luck man.

Hey the Tripowin Hbb Olina ($99)is coming out soon... Do not sleep on that set. It is BGGAR's next set and is made with the same driver as the Tanchjim oxygen (widely regarded as the best Single DD under $500) and shares an identicle graph. Check out his video man... I'm thinking that will negate the Hana 2021 or the Kato...
I am like you with the adapters, they are so nice. The last few days I've been primarily using them. Unless I bust out the TRI I3 Pro (personal fav) then I have to use the IFi Go Blu because it just likes more juice (DD, Planar & BA)

 

[guitarizt]

Ya dude.... I totally get it. If you want gonto Crinacle Graph comparison on his website... He has the most to compare. BGGAR also has quite a few..

The graph shows the extension of the oh10's as it doesn't roll off the same as the Kato. The oh10 also has a slight peak up top (upper midrange) which adds alot to it. I will say that the vocals on the Kato and Hana 2021 (I reference the Hana because the Kato and Hana are so close) are a bit better, closer but not too close. I agree with you... Take your pick as to which is better... Good luck man.

Hey the Tripowin Hbb Olina ($99)is coming out soon... Do not sleep on that set. It is BGGAR's next set and is made with the same driver as the Tanchjim oxygen (widely regarded as the best Single DD under $500) and shares an identicle graph. Check out his video man... I'm thinking that will negate the Hana 2021 or the Kato...
I am like you with the adapters, they are so nice. The last few days I've been primarily using them. Unless I bust out the TRI I3 Pro (personal fav) then I have to use the IFi Go Blu because it just likes more juice (DD, Planar & BA)

I still have the tri i3 pro noted. I just wish it was at the sub 150 mark. I ordered the olina and hopefully they're here soon. I'm not sure how long the waiting period usually is.

 

[Ceeluh7]

Just watched the yearphone video by super reviews, he likes the kato as well. It's on my radar. Just too many choices. Hopefully the olina comes soon. I'm learning towards the fh3 since I don't have a bass heavy iem atm.

I just tried the t3+. Really surprised me. I was expecting to be disappointed with how happy I was with the he01, but the t3+ is really similar. The sound samples online are actually pretty accurate where the t3+ is more energetic than the he01. The t3+ is pretty analytical, more than the aria and he01 is the worst technically. But for the t3+, the high energy makes the instruments and vocals feel weird to me, where everything doesn't seem to mesh together that well. The t3+ really reminds me of a budget timeless for lack of anything better I have to compare it to.

The problem is that the timeless is better than the t3+, and the he01 covers a different territory, so the t3+ is kind of in limbo for me. One thing I am surprised by is how everyone seems to favor the aria hands down, but the t3+ should be in the conversation for best sub 100 iem imo.

I feel like I could get into the weeds with talking about diff genres they're each good for, but for $80, the aria, he01, and t3+ are all so good. I'd take all three over my galaxy bud pros. I think it gets trickier when getting to the 300+ range because then the diminishing returns hurt and I get way pickier.

I am entirely like you... I did a review on Facebook. A lengthy one comparing the Aria and the t3+ and the Mele, Blon 03....the t3+ came away tops over them all. The tonality of the Aria and t3+ is very very close. If you look at a graph they are darn near identicle with the t3+ having a bit more energy in the lows and the highs. Let the t3+ burn in. It needs time, at least 50 hrs. In fact try to burn all these sets in as they will change and the drivers will settle so what you are hearing now... Like treble peaks, bloated basses at times can be helped with just burn in or what I like to do... Listen in. I also agree whole heartedly about your summary of the HE01... It isn't a technical giant but it does have great tonality and just is emphasized in the right areas. Anyways, you are spot on with what I hear regarding these sets.

 

[Ceeluh7]

I still have the tri i3 pro noted. I just wish it was at the sub 150 mark. I ordered the olina and hopefully they're here soon. I'm not sure how long the waiting period usually is.

Dude.... You pre ordered the Olina? Wait... I think you told me that already. Anyways, make sure to post the verse you get because I'm sure you'll be in the first 500 that purchased it. That's great.

 

[Ceeluh7]

FYI.... Check out these graphs... Crazy. If you've ever heard the Oxygen, it is by far.. At least for me one of the best Single DD's out there. The two graph identicle but the olina will have better build quality in the same shell as the Mele. It'll be interesting for sure. At $99 this is a must have.

 

[erockg]

Ya dude.... I totally get it. If you want gonto Crinacle Graph comparison on his website... He has the most to compare. BGGAR also has quite a few..

The graph shows the extension of the oh10's as it doesn't roll off the same as the Kato. The oh10 also has a slight peak up top (upper midrange) which adds alot to it. I will say that the vocals on the Kato and Hana 2021 (I reference the Hana because the Kato and Hana are so close) are a bit better, closer but not too close. I agree with you... Take your pick as to which is better... Good luck man.

Hey the Tripowin Hbb Olina ($99)is coming out soon... Do not sleep on that set. It is BGGAR's next set and is made with the same driver as the Tanchjim oxygen (widely regarded as the best Single DD under $500) and shares an identicle graph. Check out his video man... I'm thinking that will negate the Hana 2021 or the Kato...
I am like you with the adapters, they are so nice. The last few days I've been primarily using them. Unless I bust out the TRI I3 Pro (personal fav) then I have to use the IFi Go Blu because it just likes more juice (DD, Planar & BA)

I'll check them out! I also have my eye on those SeeAudio X Crinacle Yume Midnight IEMs. Reading good things. I keep thinking about checking out the Hana. They always cross my path.

One thing of note. I bought those TRN30 adapters and I just can't find any IEM that works good with them. They seem underpowered and you really have to crank the volume to get anything out of them. Disappointed, or maybe I'm just not finding the right match yet.

 

[erockg]

FYI.... Check out these graphs... Crazy. If you've ever heard the Oxygen, it is by far.. At least for me one of the best Single DD's out there. The two graph identicle but the olina will have better build quality in the same shell as the Mele. It'll be interesting for sure. At $99 this is a must have.

Here's what I'm playing with, but seriously thinking about the SeeAudio IEMs.

 

[Ceeluh7]

I'll check them out! I also have my eye on those SeeAudio X Crinacle Yume Midnight IEMs. Reading good things. I keep thinking about checking out the Hana. They always cross my path.

One thing of note. I bought those TRN30 adapters and I just can't find any IEM that works good with them. They seem underpowered and you really have to crank the volume to get anything out of them. Disappointed, or maybe I'm just not finding the right match yet.

You need something really sensitive. I saw another thread where some dude said basically the same thing as you... Underpowered and not a pleasing tonality. I ws going to buy it but... I have enough adapters at the moment. So the Hana is the Kato with slightly more low end, particularly the sub bass and more energy up top but they are both Harman tuned. Sorry about all the graphs... It just help explain better

 

[Ceeluh7]

Here's what I'm playing with, but seriously thinking about the SeeAudio IEMs.

So I didn't know variations had such a drop in mid bass... Not that that's bad, it'll open up the mids a bit, but at the same time the Mids will come across a bit thinner. I like bass monsters too, the Crinacle set looks to be an absolute monster. Gizaudio gave it a very high praise on YouTube. You have some awesome sets, quite a collection man.

 

[erockg]

So I didn't know variations had such a drop in mid bass... Not that that's bad, it'll open up the mids a bit, but at the same time the Mids will come across a bit thinner. I like bass monsters too, the Crinacle set looks to be an absolute monster. Gizaudio gave it a very high praise on YouTube. You have some awesome sets, quite a collection man.

Thanks man. Yeah I saw that review too and BGs Funny thing is that everything I have seems to be similar with slight variations.

When listening to the right tunes, the MDV really sound great. But they seem to be getting the least love right now.

The TRN definitely have a lame tonality. Sad. I very much prefer the AZ09 Pro to them. Fiio 5 are permanently attached to my Clairvoyance. 3s, I cut off the bottom, filed them down and they now fit Moondrop buds!