Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?

[turbobb]

i have not figured out how the qcc3026 true wireless works with my g7. Other than either l or r earbud can be connected to the phone and still have stereo. Think I read somewhere that truewireless is not working on the qualcomm aqnd needs phone updates.

So the scenario you described (either bud connected to source and whichever that is, acts as the master) is basic TW Stereo whereby we're trying to test TW Stereo Plus (each earbud connected directly to source)

The confusing this is that in the 3206 product page (https://www.qualcomm.com/products/qcc3026) and accompanying family line literature (https://www.qualcomm.com/media/documents/files/qcc30xx-series-product-brief.pdf) it does state that it supports TWS+. HOWEVER, every literature describing TWS+ mentions that it needs to be paired with the QCC5100 and 845 (and eventually the 855):
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/relea...truly-wireless-earbuds-and-hearables-its-next

The Mavin Air-X briefing here does mention TWS+:
https://www.audioxpress.com/news/ma...connection-based-on-qualcomm-qcc3026-platform

but when I read the pairing instructions, it sounds like it's the same for the MPow T5 (except I pair mine out of the case).

This 3026 briefing only mentions improved connectivity BETWEEN the buds:
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/relea...less-experiences-simpler-design-broader-range

So I'm beginning to think that the 3026 doesn't actually have TWS+ which would make sense since it was designed to be the cheaper alternative to the 5100:
https://venturebeat.com/2018/06/29/...s-phone-makers-bundle-truly-wireless-earbuds/

Maybe you can try the below since the G7 has the 845 (and this assumes you've previously already paired each bud to your phone and both the L and R buds show in your BT connection):
1) Make sure both buds are off and put only the L in the case and initiate pairing
2) On your phone connect to L (it won't actually repair since it's already paired)

Repeat the above for the R bud and see if you can get it to connect directly to your G7 instead of the L (NOTE: I do NOT know if this actually works since I didn't follow this process when I tested the T5 w/the Note 9 but am hoping to do that again soon).

EDIT: With my V30 (835) it'll only ever let me connect to either/or. As soon as I try to connect to the other, it'll disconnect the first.

Forgive my ignorance but what's the benefit of LL over the regular? I didn't use BT much when I had a v30 but I don't recall any issues with video lag.

I see you got your answer already but in my testing and use, lag is definitely reduced between LL and regular aptX and is especially noticeable w/videos (more Netflix and not so much YouTube since that often has a lot of lag) and FPS on my PC and mobile devices. For regular aptX, you won't really notice it unless your specifically looking for it. I also have my audio setup where I can listen to the source through headphones and each codec so I can tell exactly how much delay there is for each one.

 

[Churchill Wu]

Did anyone else picture a slimmer case for the Klipsch t5 when the first images surfaced? This looks a little thick and not really like a Zippo!

 

[Luchyres]

Did anyone else picture a slimmer case for the Klipsch t5 when the first images surfaced? This looks a little thick and not really like a Zippo!

I knew the comparisons to a zippo case were stretching the reality a lot - it does kiiiiiinda look like it in profile, but I really feel some journalists took that as the idea and ran with it - but especially with the rendering of the actual earbud - they looked way too beefy to fit any dimension in a Zippo case.... Not going to lie, on the whole, this CES was not very interesting for True Wireless (if someone saw something that really got them excited, let me know! I love being wrong).

 

[mikp]

So the scenario you described (either bud connected to source and whichever that is, acts as the master) is basic TW Stereo whereby we're trying to test TW Stereo Plus (each earbud connected directly to source)

The confusing this is that in the 3206 product page (https://www.qualcomm.com/products/qcc3026) and accompanying family line literature (https://www.qualcomm.com/media/documents/files/qcc30xx-series-product-brief.pdf) it does state that it supports TWS+. HOWEVER, every literature describing TWS+ mentions that it needs to be paired with the QCC5100 and 845 (and eventually the 855):
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/relea...truly-wireless-earbuds-and-hearables-its-next

The Mavin Air-X briefing here does mention TWS+:
https://www.audioxpress.com/news/ma...connection-based-on-qualcomm-qcc3026-platform

but when I read the pairing instructions, it sounds like it's the same for the MPow T5 (except I pair mine out of the case).

This 3026 briefing only mentions improved connectivity BETWEEN the buds:
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/relea...less-experiences-simpler-design-broader-range

So I'm beginning to think that the 3026 doesn't actually have TWS+ which would make sense since it was designed to be the cheaper alternative to the 5100:
https://venturebeat.com/2018/06/29/...s-phone-makers-bundle-truly-wireless-earbuds/

Maybe you can try the below since the G7 has the 845 (and this assumes you've previously already paired each bud to your phone and both the L and R buds show in your BT connection):
1) Make sure both buds are off and put only the L in the case and initiate pairing
2) On your phone connect to L (it won't actually repair since it's already paired)

Repeat the above for the R bud and see if you can get it to connect directly to your G7 instead of the L (NOTE: I do NOT know if this actually works since I didn't follow this process when I tested the T5 w/the Note 9 but am hoping to do that again soon).

EDIT: With my V30 (835) it'll only ever let me connect to either/or. As soon as I try to connect to the other, it'll disconnect the first.


I see you got your answer already but in my testing and use, lag is definitely reduced between LL and regular aptX and is especially noticeable w/videos (more Netflix and not so much YouTube since that often has a lot of lag) and FPS on my PC and mobile devices. For regular aptX, you won't really notice it unless your specifically looking for it. I also have my audio setup where I can listen to the source through headphones and each codec so I can tell exactly how much delay there is for each one.

I remember testing that when I got it, I think the 3026 is basic tws then. Either bud can be master, and I think it switches auto, since sometimes I see it connected as r or l. Same thing on my hiby r3 and g7.

I will also be getting a set with 5100 series with apt-x hd, just waiting for something to be launched.

 

[jfvny]

the X12 is special because to my knowledge, other than the airpods and bose, there's no other that i know of that does open isolation type. the E12 is intriguing, partly because I've heard the X12's and i now trust the Sabbat's product.

you might also consider the Mifo o5 as it has more solid case, larger battery charge, and better IPX protection. i got a better deal from shopee (cheaper than aliexpress) in my country. i see you from Singapore, so you should have shoppee too in your country

How would you compare the sound of the Mifo O5 and the Sabbat X12?

Tbh I'm slightly more interested in the Sabbat for their sound quality (the E12 is supposedly better than the X12 from the few reviews i've found) and flat physical profile (for sleeping with); my Havit G1 already works perfectly for runs and such. Also the O5 and E12 are at the same price currently on Lazada lol

 

[chinmie]

How would you compare the sound of the Mifo O5 and the Sabbat X12?

Tbh I'm slightly more interested in the Sabbat for their sound quality (the E12 is supposedly better than the X12 from the few reviews i've found) and flat physical profile (for sleeping with); my Havit G1 already works perfectly for runs and such. Also the O5 and E12 are at the same price currently on Lazada lol

they're not really apple to apple comparison because physically one is closed/noise isolating while one is open. Mifo has a warm and dark sound while still has good detail and not muddy on the treble. the x12 is balanced and more airy because of the open nature. if flatness is your main criteria, then the sabbat is a bit more flat than the o5, but not by much. also consider the E12 being an IEM, even if it's flat, slight push will still be felt on the silicone tips

 

[SomeGuyDude]

Did anyone else picture a slimmer case for the Klipsch t5 when the first images surfaced? This looks a little thick and not really like a Zippo!

TBH it's fine by me. Who could POSSIBLY have expected Zippo dimensions? Hold up a Zippo lighter, hold up even a small TWE. There's no way in high holy hell the latter would fit into the former.

 

[jfvny]

they're not really apple to apple comparison because physically one is closed/noise isolating while one is open. Mifo has a warm and dark sound while still has good detail and not muddy on the treble. the x12 is balanced and more airy because of the open nature. if flatness is your main criteria, then the sabbat is a bit more flat than the o5, but not by much. also consider the E12 being an IEM, even if it's flat, slight push will still be felt on the silicone tips

btw there appears to be a Mifo O7 that has AAC support: https://m.post.naver.com/viewer/postView.nhn?volumeNo=17142225&memberNo=4605197

 

[clerkpalmer]

TBH it's fine by me. Who could POSSIBLY have expected Zippo dimensions? Hold up a Zippo lighter, hold up even a small TWE. There's no way in high holy hell the latter would fit into the former.

The fact that they plastered "Klipsch" over those the outside of those earbuds makes me Sad. I could never wear them.

 

[webvan]

I just received Havit G1 yesterday after 6-week shipment from Aliexpress. Don't have time to test them yet, but the manual states that they'll automatically shut down after 3mins without playing. So if you set the sleep timer in you phone, is that possible to shut down G1 automatically?

Yes I do the nap with Sabbat X12 pro on after the lunch. They're very comfortable and like G1, they shut down automatically.

The X12 are indeed comfortable and light but not to the point where you could sleep ON them, like you could with say the EarPods or the Qian 39. Apparently some manage to do that with the M2s too ?

As a side note I used to wear the X12 by "tucking" them in behind a ridge at the back of my ear as that gave the impression of a more secure fit and more bass but I realized that it made them pretty "muddy" so now I just keep them "flat" and haven't had a problem while running with them like that.

 

[Rickyearl]

Did anyone else picture a slimmer case for the Klipsch t5 when the first images surfaced? This looks a little thick and not really like a Zippo!

I certainly did. I also thought it would be more metallic.

The whole approach with the huge logo and retro font seems very mass-market and doesn’t appeal to me.


The Earin M2 arrived yesterday but I got home too late to do much other than charge them. Looks like they came with updated firmware though because I don’t see any place on the app to update them and the version number matches what is in the Earin FAQ for how to update them.

 

[chinmie]

The X12 are indeed comfortable and light but not to the point where you could sleep ON them, like you could with say the EarPods or the Qian 39

i use it to sleep too

btw there appears to be a Mifo O7 that has AAC support: https://m.post.naver.com/viewer/postView.nhn?volumeNo=17142225&memberNo=4605197

i think it's basically O5, but recolored and sold as O7 exclusively in Korea. all the specs, aac support, etc, both are the same

 

[webvan]

Yeah but do you sleep ON them ? I can't, just rams into my ear.
I just found out using an Android 9 phone that the X12 had AAC !

 

[chinmie]

Yeah but do you sleep ON them ? I can't, just rams into my ear.
I just found out using an Android 9 phone that the X12 had AAC !

yes, easily

 

[jfvny]

i think it's basically O5, but recolored and sold as O7 exclusively in Korea. all the specs, aac support, etc, both are the same

ahh i didn't know they had AAC

I just found out using an Android 9 phone that the X12 had AAC !

This is also news to me!

Online shops need to post proper info on their products smh