Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?

[SomeGuyDude]

I think running with the MTW will be dicey. No fit wings or stabilizers.

Jabra doesn't have them either, nor do Jaybird RUN. Lack of wings or whatever doesn't matter if they're properly sized for the conch of the ear.

 

[hifi80sman]

A quick journey into Ye Old Google doesn't show any good reviews of the Free5.

Indeed. However, I usually find many of the "professional" reviewers have a completely different opinion than I do once I actually get a hold of something and test it out. I usually find the best feedback here, but it doesn't look like anyone has actually tested them out yet.

 

[albau]

Interesting tidbit about MW07. Tried to post review on Amazon but they said that this item is closed for reviews for a number of undisclosed reasons, but also "possibly because of the unusual commenting activity". Never saw anything like this. Just curious why it could be? Maybe M&D doesn't want to hear about less than spec battery life?

 

[webvan]

Don't recall ever seeing something like this either. What I have seen is a product being "suspended" (i.e. not available for purchase) due to ongoing investigations following customer feedback (or some text to that effect).

 

[chinmie]

Can it drive a higher end iem?

Looking forward to your impression if you can test it with others

the ES100 can drive my ATH R70X headphone easily, so it is a very capable amp dac. i don't think any iems would pose a problem for the ES100. other DAC aside the ES100 to consider is the Fiio BTR3. it has a "snappier" attack to the sound, while the ES100 has a more pleasant and natural sound. both are equally great product.

Just my 2c: if you already have a higher end IEM hooked up to a receiver like the ES100 or Shanling M0, and if you don't need true wireless, you're probably better off with your current rig.

Currently, my best IEMs are the JVC FD01. Based solely on SQ, on a scale from 1 to 10, I'd rate the Havit G1 a 6, the Earin M-2 and Senn TW a 7, and the FD01 with Shanling M0 a 9.

although the JVC and M0 combo are easily doubles the price of the M2 or the TW
interesting that you put the M2 and the TW on the same rating on sound, as i really like the sound of the M2. how about the whole package experience (the feature, battery life, convenience, etc) between them both? which one do like more?

I might be parroting about this a bit too much lately, but i really recommend the Sabbat X12pro. it's like the KSC75/portapro in a really small size, with great 7 hours battery life, and small charging case size.

I'm curious how this compares to the Bose soundsport, as they have the similar open sound

 

[05stisilver]

the ES100 can drive my ATH R70X headphone easily, so it is a very capable amp dac. i don't think any iems would pose a problem for the ES100. other DAC aside the ES100 to consider is the Fiio BTR3. it has a "snappier" attack to the sound, while the ES100 has a more pleasant and natural sound. both are equally great product.



although the JVC and M0 combo are easily doubles the price of the M2 or the TW
interesting that you put the M2 and the TW on the same rating on sound, as i really like the sound of the M2. how about the whole package experience (the feature, battery life, convenience, etc) between them both? which one do like more?

I might be parroting about this a bit too much lately, but i really recommend the Sabbat X12pro. it's like the KSC75/portapro in a really small size, with great 7 hours battery life, and small charging case size.

I'm curious how this compares to the Bose soundsport, as they have the similar open sound

Since I see you have the Jabra 65t how does the sabat compare to that? Also can I run/workout with the Sabat without them falling out? Their design looks like they would just fall out of my ears. I'm also interested in the M2 as well.

 

[hifi80sman]

Interesting tidbit about MW07. Tried to post review on Amazon but they said that this item is closed for reviews for a number of undisclosed reasons, but also "possibly because of the unusual commenting activity". Never saw anything like this. Just curious why it could be? Maybe M&D doesn't want to hear about less than spec battery life?

I've seen this before with a pair of Chi-Fi headphones. In that case, I suspect it was a lot of positive "Verified Purchase" reviews from affiliated parties. There may be a lot of repeated phrases or something that suggests there's a C-O-N-spiracy.

 

[clerkpalmer]

The ES100 is a VERY capable BT Amp/DAC that can drive any earphone you own and most headphones as well. I am very tempted to just cancel my Sennheiser True Wireless and just use what I have including the ES100. The ES100 actually gives high enough sound quality (I am able to use LDAC) that I struggle to hear a difference in quality versus just rllistening to music from the headphone jack in my S9 phone. It can also be used as a straight up DAC from your phone and your computer. Very versatile device...

Jabra doesn't have them either, nor do Jaybird RUN. Lack of wings or whatever doesn't matter if they're properly sized for the conch of the ear.

my jay bird run had stabilizer wings. I wouldn’t trust the Jabra to stay in my ears either running. I agree however that for some people they will probably stay seated but my guess is it’s the exception not the rule.

 

[mrdalesen]

used to have a pair of sony eb90ex which I wore comfortably, and that was a 16mm driver. So i hope I dont need wings on these :/

 

[clerkpalmer]

@chinmie, I was hoping one might think your headphones sound better out of the es100 rather than wired via your note 9. While introducing Bluetooth degrades sound a bit, adding an amp and dac to the chain should improve it right? When I swapped my iPhone wired for the ES100, using my new trn v80 the sq improved to my ears. The es100 is making me want to try some high end earbuds again ... and so the sickness continues.

 

[chinmie]

Since I see you have the Jabra 65t how does the sabat compare to that? Also can I run/workout with the Sabat without them falling out? Their design looks like they would just fall out of my ears. I'm also interested in the M2 as well.

Sound wise, I'd say they are comparable in SQ, but each have their own strengths as they have a very different fitting model (closed IEM vs open earbud style). the jabra is more versatile because you can set the ambient sound level so it can be like open earbud too. still a different experience though.

depending on ear shape. if airpods fit snug in your ears, you would love the Sabbat. it would sit on my ears without falling even if i do handstand with it (i also tested it for running with no problem). it also comes with two sets of earfins the help getting a more secure fit.

the jabra would work itself out of my ears periodically, especially when sweating. it also would fall off when i do handstand. it might be because it is slightly more protruding and have a bit of weight on the outside.

the earin won't come of out of your ears unless you pull it out. it's also has the best sound for my taste.

so to sum up their strengths that i like with them:
Jabra: can connect to two device at once. my best TWs for riding.

Sabbat: best fit for long session, crazy battery life, my preferred TWs for indoor use and sleeping.

Earin: Favorite sound, really low profile and secure fit (can use universal eartips), my best TWs for noisy environments

bonus: Sony WF1000X: i rarely use this one anymore since i got the sabbat, but to me this is a very good sounding IEM. if only it has a bit of more battery and less quirky connection with ANC or ambient mode on...

i have the Pamu Scroll incoming and see how it goes.

 

[chrisbriton]

I heavily doubt it. None of the major companies have more than one TWE going at a given time outside of a regular and sport model but M&D isn't exactly a company that seems eager to court the "sport" crowd. Plus, it came out like... not that long ago. Settle down.

I don’t consider myself to be overly “sporty” but appreciate a decent sound in a convenient package when excercising. Is the real benefit of true wireless not for the active person? excercise, commute? They won’t match the performance of whatever over ears your rocking so besides novelty value, why would you choose to sit at home with these performance limiting “go anywhere” buds stuck in your ears?

 

[05stisilver]

Sound wise, I'd say they are comparable in SQ, but each have their own strengths as they have a very different fitting model (closed IEM vs open earbud style). the jabra is more versatile because you can set the ambient sound level so it can be like open earbud too. still a different experience though.

depending on ear shape. if airpods fit snug in your ears, you would love the Sabbat. it would sit on my ears without falling even if i do handstand with it (i also tested it for running with no problem). it also comes with two sets of earfins the help getting a more secure fit.

the jabra would work itself out of my ears periodically, especially when sweating. it also would fall off when i do handstand. it might be because it is slightly more protruding and have a bit of weight on the outside.

the earin won't come of out of your ears unless you pull it out. it's also has the best sound for my taste.

so to sum up their strengths that i like with them:
Jabra: can connect to two device at once. my best TWs for riding.

Sabbat: best fit for long session, crazy battery life, my preferred TWs for indoor use and sleeping.

Earin: Favorite sound, really low profile and secure fit (can use universal eartips), my best TWs for noisy environments

bonus: Sony WF1000X: i rarely use this one anymore since i got the sabbat, but to me this is a very good sounding IEM. if only it has a bit of more battery and less quirky connection with ANC or ambient mode on...

i have the Pamu Scroll incoming and see how it goes.

Thank you for the reply.

I primarily use these for my training sessions which are lengthy (Spartan race/Trail/Mountain running) so my primary focus would be battery life so that would take out the Sony. What type of battery life do you get out of the Earin? The Pamu Scroll does look interesting just not sure if the real world battery life would be enough for me. I have the same issues with the Jabra 65t falling out of my ears. I almost lost one when it fell out and almost off the side of a mountain! So I primarily use the older Elite Sport. The sound quality is just not that great nor is the battery life. I thought about getting the new version with the 4.5 hour battery life.

 

[chinmie]

@chinmie, I was hoping one might think your headphones sound better out of the es100 rather than wired via your note 9. While introducing Bluetooth degrades sound a bit, adding an amp and dac to the chain should improve it right? When I swapped my iPhone wired for the ES100, using my new trn v80 the sq improved to my ears. The es100 is making me want to try some high end earbuds again ... and so the sickness continues.

the ES100 definitely have a better sound than the direct output of my Note 8 and tablets..and yes, I'd say it's because the better Dac Amp. i rarely use my ES100 anymore because i have the better sounding BlueDAC, but i still think the ES100 (and the Fiio BTR3) are really hard to beat for their price

 

[chinmie]

Thank you for the reply.

I primarily use these for my training sessions which are lengthy (Spartan race/Trail/Mountain running) so my primary focus would be battery life so that would take out the Sony. What type of battery life do you get out of the Earin? The Pamu Scroll does look interesting just not sure if the real world battery life would be enough for me. I have the same issues with the Jabra 65t falling out of my ears. I almost lost one when it fell out and almost off the side of a mountain! So I primarily use the older Elite Sport. The sound quality is just not that great nor is the battery life. I thought about getting the new version with the 4.5 hour battery life.

i got about 4 hours with the Earin. you might also want to consider the Mifo o5 or their rebranded TFZ X1 on aliexpress, they also promised 7 hours battery life, but i haven't tested them myself, so take it with a grain of salt.