Geek Wold Discussion
Aug 21, 2021 at 6:34 PM Post #1,066 of 1,620
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So the GF10 shown here. Not to be mistaken for the GK10. Though if you squeeze your eyes real tight you might be able to see a heart shape in there somewhere.

These are Geek Wold wireless basically but using much upgraded drivers. I would imagine Geeks new GK100 sounding something similar to these. What is interesting about their GF10 is that it is using an amplified stage to bring out some supreme dynamics to the sound tuning of these. If you amplify your GK10s with added 30 plus dbs of passive isolation and a stout 30-50 ft of wireless signal these are what that would be like. Based on what these sound like the GK100 is going to be a clear level or two upgrade from the GK10.

So the sound quality is there on these. The issue however is that it does not use the latest high res codecs and using an older Bluetooth 5.0. Priced at $299 these are facing very stiff competition from the likes of Sony, Bose and Apple.

It is the sound quality that warrants the price however. More here. https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/geekfly-gf10-tws.25373/
 
Aug 22, 2021 at 10:08 AM Post #1,067 of 1,620
I promised to rate these on a scale of tardis's to mix in some humour into an otherwise overly serious thread. First things first: these cost me just under $60 getting to the EU, not $35, and not $40, not $50. At $60 there are good choices to be had in both IEM and overears. It's cheap enough that I can write off, but it's not cheap enough that I would be quiet about it if I had to. The Blon BL03 was. I had it. I didn't like it. I gave them away. And that was that. But these are not competing with Blons, they're a budget priced competitor to more expensive hybrids like the Spring 2, Shouer Tape, or Tri's new i3 Pro. CCA's new NRA will be an interesting comparison with a lot fewer drivers and half the price yet of the GK10.

When you slip the geek into your ears and search for a tune, you have no idea where Tardis is taking you. Is it a foggy planet with poor visibility and a confusing plot? Or is it shining with wit and intelligence aboard some far outpost in outer space? You don't always know. I'm not unhappy to have taken a chance on the GK10, and I'll be keeping them.

Thus far, I really like GK10 under EQ for certain types of music, and I hear very interesting things happening out of the midrange that none of my other sets can deliver. But even with a tip roll, the stock tuning is completely sabotaged not only by the midbass bloat, but by the bottom end in general, and a complete lack of detail in the top end. There's another pair of well regarded phones I've read with the same critique: Focal Clear.

I don't believe in TOTL tuning that so many audiophiles are obsessed with, nor do I have an assortment of $500+ amplifiers to pair until a pair sounds generally acceptable. I expect accuracy, something unique for a specific genre (or even artist), and a fair price. I expect some phones to be a good specialist and some to be a good generalist. The Geek Wold GK10 is a laser specific specialist.

My sound profile preferences are under EQ with mild to extreme vee-shapes on OOTB neutral sets. I've always preferred studio monitors over weasel word claims about holography, buttered crumpets, and honey tinged superlatives required to sell $500+ luxury consumer electronic devices. I get it, though - buy all that you can afford, and twice on Sunday. I have a few weasel words to offer for the GK10 below. Anyway, that's where I'm coming from.

First let's recognize that the GK10 has a lot going on inside of it: 2 dynamic drivers, 1 balanced armature somewhere in the mids, and 2 piezo something or others serving treble duties. I asked the Dr. to listen to two kinds of music: music recorded from acoustic instruments and voices, and produced music pushed through all manner of mixers, amplifiers, and studio effects. "So real music vs sold-as-music", said the Dr. "Precisely".

Build and accessories: I've already commented on the build and the cable. It's fine, and I got lucky.

Comfort: great. These are trying to displace my C12 on the night stand since the shell shape is compatible with laying on a pillow. My ears swallow these right up. Getting a seal is a bit of a challenge with my big ol' ears, but large starlines seem to be working fine.

Isolation: maybe 10-15db with silicone tips. Imagine sitting in a non-tardis phone booth while a train of response vehicles pass by on their way to a 3 alarm fire. That's what it feels like trying to listen to them while my wife is in the same room watching TV. Foams seal better but cut too much detail out of the top end to be acceptable. As others have said, the wider and shallower you can get, the better.

Let's get into the sound.

Bass: warm and sloppy, like your mum's three cheese baked macaroni. It's not at all gourmet but it's satisfying when consumed in private company. Luckily for quite a bit of classical music and piano works the bass doesn't get in the way too much, or can at least be EQd out. Choral works also slide by with aplomb, reinforcing a bizarrely well tuned midrange. Switching over to sold-as-music, I hit play on Chemical Brothers Block Rockin' Beats, and it's a complete disaster that no amount of EQ will ever fix. Most metal sounded like somebody beating on trash cans way down the hall, the guitarist is setup 2 feet away with a practice amp, and the vocalist is standing at the door, but singing backwards back into the hallway. Rock, metal, EDM are all a complete disaster, even under EQ.




Okay. But what about real music? Sit back with Flamenco Sketches now from Miles Davis and crew and the double bass fades into the bottom end. There aren't any microdetails here on offer, but it's like that baked macaroni we all know and love. Then something happens at 2:20 when Coltrane pops on: you're going to hear one of the best rendered saxaphone sounds you've ever heard in your life. which brings us to the mids.



Mids: erasing some of that bass bloat lets this miraculous interplay between the mid-range focused dynamic driver and the single balanced armature shine through. The DD is belting out velvet cheesecakes worth of timbre and tone, and the BA is providing texture to the note edges. The treble? Those piezos are doing weird things, man. I'll leave it at that. The effect is between magical and vomiting on the sidewalk after too much of that cheesecake. Isolating the mids was difficult, requiring 2-3 dB reduction from 68 Hz - 540 Hz, and a 2-3 dB increase between 1.5 kHz and ~ 4 kHz. Once I tweaked around enough I found something special here in any song that's slow with a sparse or delicate arrangement. Julie London's Yours from Latin in a Satin Mood is where this IEM wants to live. Patsy Cline, ditto.

Other earphones that could compete with the GK10 here are small in number. Timbre, soundstage, tonality - it's near perfect. If I kept these just to listen to Julie London, I'd pay double the price for this kind of sound quality in this genre.



Jack Jones - Wives and Lovers. This isn't the same earphone as I heard with AC/DC, is it? Can it be that different here versus rock? It is to my ears - this is near perfect.



Treble: I am a big fan of both treble and EQ. Most headfiers are not and that's fine. You have your opinion, I have mine. The piezo treble here seems to turn sibilant under EQ without the side benefit of providing additional detail. Like a Harley Davidson when you give it throttle - a lot more noise for not much speed. When minimally corrected, it doesn't interfere too much and offers an interesting edge to the mids. That's the best I can say for it. Other folk are hearing different things than the Dr., but he rates the technicalities on treble as poor, just like the bass.

Sound stage and imaging: stereo separation in recordings isn't sound stage. You need a recording of live music with 5+ musicians playing acoustic instruments and / or singing to really gauge sound stage. Even then there's a lot of tricks that the recording engineer will use to leverage the natural reverb in the performance hall to make the recording sound good. Go see more live music as you can. To my ears the staging is very average, and due to the poor bass and treble quality, imaging really suffers. Orchestral works and opera fall down very quickly. Instrument separation and layering is also average to my ears. The quality of the mids is fantastic - but the rest of the spectrum is so sabotaged that listening to composers like Bach, Beethoven, and Saint-Saëns is frustrating. But when that oboe solo does ring out with some space around it, the sound is so sweet, so pure, it gives you a glimpse of what could be ... and then the cello and contrabass fills in and it's ruined again.

And then there are little gems like this: Tundra, from Ola Gjeilo features a mix of strings, piano, and chorus in the same frequencies. It's not as clean and doesn't have the layering that my brighter KZ sets with buckets full of balanced armature units, but it still sounds great (albeit while EQ'd).



Rating: on a scale of 0-5 TARDIS, I give these a solid 2.5, which is precisely the number of drivers that are working well here. When they're good, they're very good. For everything else, it's just like Dr. Who the TV show itself: mostly forgettable, badly acted, and ... well, loved primarily by a hand full of geeks.

To sump up, I'd like to offer a direct comment to the Geek himself - please keep going and give us a better made pair in the GK100. I'll order another GK10 to help out, because I really think you're on to something. I'm rooting for you, as are others.
 
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Aug 22, 2021 at 2:17 PM Post #1,068 of 1,620
I promised to rate these on a scale of tardis's to mix in some humour into an otherwise overly serious thread. First things first: these cost me just under $60 getting to the EU, not $35, and not $40, not $50. At $60 there are good choices to be had in both IEM and overears. It's cheap enough that I can write off, but it's not cheap enough that I would be quiet about it if I had to. The Blon BL03 was. I had it. I didn't like it. I gave them away. And that was that. But these are not competing with Blons, they're a budget priced competitor to more expensive hybrids like the Spring 2, Shouer Tape, or Tri's new i3 Pro. CCA's new NRA will be an interesting comparison with a lot fewer drivers and half the price yet of the GK10.

When you slip the geek into your ears and search for a tune, you have no idea where Tardis is taking you. Is it a foggy planet with poor visibility and a confusing plot? Or is it shining with wit and intelligence aboard some far outpost in outer space? You don't always know. I'm not unhappy to have taken a chance on the GK10, and I'll be keeping them.

Thus far, I really like GK10 under EQ for certain types of music, and I hear very interesting things happening out of the midrange that none of my other sets can deliver. But even with a tip roll, the stock tuning is completely sabotaged not only by the midbass bloat, but by the bottom end in general, and a complete lack of detail in the top end. There's another pair of well regarded phones I've read with the same critique: Focal Clear.

I don't believe in TOTL tuning that so many audiophiles are obsessed with, nor do I have an assortment of $500+ amplifiers to pair until a pair sounds generally acceptable. I expect accuracy, something unique for a specific genre (or even artist), and a fair price. I expect some phones to be a good specialist and some to be a good generalist. The Geek Wold GK10 is a laser specific specialist.

My sound profile preferences are under EQ with mild to extreme vee-shapes on OOTB neutral sets. I've always preferred studio monitors over weasel word claims about holography, buttered crumpets, and honey tinged superlatives required to sell $500+ luxury consumer electronic devices. I get it, though - buy all that you can afford, and twice on Sunday. I have a few weasel words to offer for the GK10 below. Anyway, that's where I'm coming from.

First let's recognize that the GK10 has a lot going on inside of it: 2 dynamic drivers, 1 balanced armature somewhere in the mids, and 2 piezo something or others serving treble duties. I asked the Dr. to listen to two kinds of music: music recorded from acoustic instruments and voices, and produced music pushed through all manner of mixers, amplifiers, and studio effects. "So real music vs sold-as-music", said the Dr. "Precisely".

Build and accessories: I've already commented on the build and the cable. It's fine, and I got lucky.

Comfort: great. These are trying to displace my C12 on the night stand since the shell shape is compatible with laying on a pillow. My ears swallow these right up. Getting a seal is a bit of a challenge with my big ol' ears, but large starlines seem to be working fine.

Isolation: maybe 10-15db with silicone tips. Imagine sitting in a non-tardis phone booth while a train of response vehicles pass by on their way to a 3 alarm fire. That's what it feels like trying to listen to them while my wife is in the same room watching TV. Foams seal better but cut too much detail out of the top end to be acceptable. As others have said, the wider and shallower you can get, the better.

Let's get into the sound.

Bass: warm and sloppy, like your mum's three cheese baked macaroni. It's not at all gourmet but it's satisfying when consumed in private company. Luckily for quite a bit of classical music and piano works the bass doesn't get in the way too much, or can at least be EQd out. Choral works also slide by with aplomb, reinforcing a bizarrely well tuned midrange. Switching over to sold-as-music, I hit play on Chemical Brothers Block Rockin' Beats, and it's a complete disaster that no amount of EQ will ever fix. Most metal sounded like somebody beating on trash cans way down the hall, the guitarist is setup 2 feet away with a practice amp, and the vocalist is standing at the door, but singing backwards back into the hallway. Rock, metal, EDM are all a complete disaster, even under EQ.




Okay. But what about real music? Sit back with Flamenco Sketches now from Miles Davis and crew and the double bass fades into the bottom end. There aren't any microdetails here on offer, but it's like that baked macaroni we all know and love. Then something happens at 2:20 when Coltrane pops on: you're going to hear one of the best rendered saxaphone sounds you've ever heard in your life. which brings us to the mids.



Mids: erasing some of that bass bloat lets this miraculous interplay between the mid-range focused dynamic driver and the single balanced armature shine through. The DD is belting out velvet cheesecakes worth of timbre and tone, and the BA is providing texture to the note edges. The treble? Those piezos are doing weird things, man. I'll leave it at that. The effect is between magical and vomiting on the sidewalk after too much of that cheesecake. Isolating the mids was difficult, requiring 2-3 dB reduction from 68 Hz - 540 Hz, and a 2-3 dB increase between 1.5 kHz and ~ 4 kHz. Once I tweaked around enough I found something special here in any song that's slow with a sparse or delicate arrangement. Julie London's Yours from Latin in a Satin Mood is where this IEM wants to live. Patsy Cline, ditto.

Other earphones that could compete with the GK10 here are small in number. Timbre, soundstage, tonality - it's near perfect. If I kept these just to listen to Julie London, I'd pay double the price for this kind of sound quality in this genre.



Jack Jones - Wives and Lovers. This isn't the same earphone as I heard with AC/DC, is it? Can it be that different here versus rock? It is to my ears - this is near perfect.



Treble: I am a big fan of both treble and EQ. Most headfiers are not and that's fine. You have your opinion, I have mine. The piezo treble here seems to turn sibilant under EQ without the side benefit of providing additional detail. Like a Harley Davidson when you give it throttle - a lot more noise for not much speed. When minimally corrected, it doesn't interfere too much and offers an interesting edge to the mids. That's the best I can say for it. Other folk are hearing different things than the Dr., but he rates the technicalities on treble as poor, just like the bass.

Sound stage and imaging: stereo separation in recordings isn't sound stage. You need a recording of live music with 5+ musicians playing acoustic instruments and / or singing to really gauge sound stage. Even then there's a lot of tricks that the recording engineer will use to leverage the natural reverb in the performance hall to make the recording sound good. Go see more live music as you can. To my ears the staging is very average, and due to the poor bass and treble quality, imaging really suffers. Orchestral works and opera fall down very quickly. Instrument separation and layering is also average to my ears. The quality of the mids is fantastic - but the rest of the spectrum is so sabotaged that listening to composers like Bach, Beethoven, and Saint-Saëns is frustrating. But when that oboe solo does ring out with some space around it, the sound is so sweet, so pure, it gives you a glimpse of what could be ... and then the cello and contrabass fills in and it's ruined again.

And then there are little gems like this: Tundra, from Ola Gjeilo features a mix of strings, piano, and chorus in the same frequencies. It's not as clean and doesn't have the layering that my brighter KZ sets with buckets full of balanced armature units, but it still sounds great (albeit while EQ'd).



Rating: on a scale of 0-5 TARDIS, I give these a solid 2.5, which is precisely the number of drivers that are working well here. When they're good, they're very good. For everything else, it's just like Dr. Who the TV show itself: mostly forgettable, badly acted, and ... well, loved primarily by a hand full of geeks.

To sump up, I'd like to offer a direct comment to the Geek himself - please keep going and give us a better made pair in the GK100. I'll order another GK10 to help out, because I really think you're on to something. I'm rooting for you, as are others.

That's nice summary. Even I feel they're not that special, they're good but not something that will wow you every single time. They're Mario Balotelli of IEMs for me, maverick in a way, capable of spectacular but not at all consistent.

They have some nice things and some not so. At $45, it's a raffle lottery. There are many IEMs that are better than GK10 for multiple purposes in the same price bracket.
 
Aug 23, 2021 at 4:47 AM Post #1,070 of 1,620
My Penon package is being (finally) delivered today, and there's also a GK10 inside.

QC lotery aside, I wanna give it fair impressions, so I'll let you guys help maximizing the experience. What I need to know is:

* What type of cable should I use? Im not a cable believer, but I own a good couple of cables to try them on.
* Best kind of tips? (I dont own CP360)
* what kind of sources? Only have M3X, btr5 and dongles at my disposal in this moment.

Also I'll throw in advance that I don't own a measuring rig yet, so no graph from me yet.

Thanks in advance!
 
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Aug 23, 2021 at 4:54 AM Post #1,071 of 1,620
I'm using stock cable (the new one).
Tips I'm using are the grey ones with blue core that came with them, however flipped inside out.
Guess you use whatever source you have or you don't get to hear them!
 
Aug 23, 2021 at 8:49 AM Post #1,073 of 1,620
Agreed it could be a different driver altogether than the Sonion variety. Something they made up that is like the Sonion EST. You don't see Empire Ears or Unique Melody incorporating the TDK EST is my point. Folks in the industry can call whatever they make up by whatever name to drive sales.

Some of the dynamics drivers for example. Liquid carbon fiber titanium mixed with diamond infusion. In the end does it sound good? Manufacturers no longer want to call their drivers whatever it actually is. It is a bio cellulose ect ect. No one wants anything normal now a days. But in reality I bet most of the dynamic drivers are the same things with a bit of a sprinkling of some random material that does nothing and they can claim it is pure goat cheeze dynamic. Truth is no one in their right mind is gonna pop open an earphone they got and do a chemistry breakdown of said driver.

It is somewhat similar to claims of material purity by cable manufacturers. 4N 5N 6N. How the heck do we know how pure it is. You would figure the more expensive the cable the more higher end the material is. But you can put make up on a pig to look like a dog. It is their word and their claims. There is no way to prove any of it is my point.

I suppose if there was a international earphone police that test everything to make sure stuff is true to what manufacturers claim it is but there is no such thing. Lol.
This is one of the reasons why I don't particularly care very much to distinguish between electrostatic, magnetostatic, and electret drivers when companies start including the word EST in their listings. They're all related technologies, so all that really matters to me is whether or not the result sounds good. Piezoelectric drivers, on the other hand, aren't really the same thing, so it is a bit problematic when people try to claim them as EST drivers. As for driver materials, I do wish that more companies would be a bit more honest about what they're made of. "Bio-cellulose", so paper or maybe rayon? "Carbon nanotube" so resin impregnated carbonized cellulose? There's also a huge difference in the performance characteristics associated with drivers coated with metal through vapor deposition and those made with stamped metal foil. Vapor deposited metal on a plastic film will still predominately behave like the structural material unless the layer of metal deposited is very thick, which is unlikely in a typical vapor deposition application. I really like how a lot of loudspeaker driver manufacturers are super specific about their driver composition, so having so many IEM manufacturers be a little dodgy about what their drivers are and what they're made of makes me a bit sad.
 
Aug 23, 2021 at 8:54 AM Post #1,074 of 1,620
May I ask if you could suggest a couple (other than KZs)? I am currently making a list of DD + BA IEMs to try next in this price bracket.
IMO below DD+BA hybrids I find good as all rounders -

BQEYZ KB100, KC1, KC2, KB1, BQ3 (for bassheads)
CCA C10 it's an anomaly (good one) from KZ/CCA house
TRN TA1 (has positive experiences from majority of it's owners but TRN QC is sketchy so becomes a hard reco)

Others may have many more options but for me these are winners and very easy recos for everyone under $50.
 
Aug 23, 2021 at 10:49 AM Post #1,075 of 1,620
I ordered my GK10 excited by the good reviews read in the forum.

It came to me a couple of days ago. I have to say that as soon as I opened it I really liked the design and the blue color of the capsule. I also have to say that it came to me with the grille of a half bent capsule inserted into the capsule's spigot. I see that the quality controls are not very good. I have also noticed that a certain mismatch between the halves of each capsule, I mean that the finish is not good either, at least in my case in one of the capsules.

The sound after a few hours of filming seems good to me, with good bass and a sound with a certain addictive body.

I have requested replacement of new grilles from Penon, but it seems that they do not want to know anything about it, since they tell me to fix it myself (straightening and pasting again) it is very likely that they will lose a customer who has bought many IEMs, cables, etc and that for not attending correctly they go to another store of the competence, only for a $ that costs a metal grill.


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Summary: Very bad quality control of the brand and bad after-sales service from Penon, at least in my case

Greetings
Got same half-baked grill in mine! It came out and is now gone.

Anyone know what replacement grills from AE would fit?
 
Aug 23, 2021 at 11:33 AM Post #1,076 of 1,620
Got same half-baked grill in mine! It came out and is now gone.

Anyone know what replacement grills from AE would fit?
4-4.5mm grills should fit them
 
Aug 23, 2021 at 3:58 PM Post #1,077 of 1,620
So, guess I lucked out on the QC lotery, what I hear it's pretty much the following:

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OOTB Impressions (Final E Tips, Stock cable):

The Good:
  • Soundstage!!!!
  • Bass is present but not bloated. Could use some more sub-bass for my liking, but it's probably fine for most people.
  • Mids OK so far, need more testing.
  • Price.
  • Weight. Fit is ok because of how light they are.
The Bad:
  • Treble. This is the reason why I'm using Final E, to try to tame it. My pair has really spicy treble. Also the piezo timbre is awful to my ears, but it's probably a personal taste. Cymbals are giving me headaches and I own TSMR Land, so treble shouldnt be a problem.
  • Uncoherency. You can hear where and when the 3 types of drivers are working.
  • Bass seems a bit slow, might afect some libraries.
  • Cable and tips
The Ugly:
  • Build quality. There's no way around it.
  • Quality control. My set has glue on dripped into the plate and inside the pin connectors. A lot of force had to be done just to plug it. Afraid to use my own cables now.
First conclusions: Can see where some of the praise comes for the price, for people that enjoy this type of signature. Don't have much to compare to it at the moment. Cheapest IEMs I own are Sony MH755 that also arrived today. There's also Mele and Blon-03 on the way, will try to get some comparitions rolling and better impressions. Will tip roll more and swap the cable.
 
Aug 23, 2021 at 4:00 PM Post #1,078 of 1,620
Treble. This is the reason why I'm using Final E, to try to tame it. My pair has really spicy treble. Also the piezo timbre is awful to my ears, but it's probably a personal taste. Cymbals are giving me headaches and I own TSMR Land, so treble shouldnt be a problem.

Give the piezos some time to run in, mine were very brittle to begin with and then became smoother overtime.
 
Aug 23, 2021 at 10:29 PM Post #1,080 of 1,620
IMO below DD+BA hybrids I find good as all rounders -

BQEYZ KB100, KC1, KC2, KB1, BQ3 (for bassheads)
CCA C10 it's an anomaly (good one) from KZ/CCA house
TRN TA1 (has positive experiences from majority of it's owners but TRN QC is sketchy so becomes a hard reco)

Others may have many more options but for me these are winners and very easy recos for everyone under $50.
Thank you. I had the KB100 on my list. I'll check out the other BQEYZs you mentioned.
 

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